I don't hide the fact I like engagement and see it as a way for people to have more fun and get more value from the blockchain - It makes sense to have better relationships don't you think?
I read a post this morning, a really good one, by @slobberchops, called Demystifying hive expectations; Basically a prompt on how new users can effectively build their accounts through engagement. I liked his statement:
If you want to be noticed then you need to go out and socialise! Follow people, comment on their posts, rinse, and repeat.
Yep, that'll do it for sure! Do some of that consistently and you'll be putting yourself in danger of having great success here on hive. Nice work Sir Slobber, or is it Mr. Chops? Either way, it was a great post.
My suggestion would be to go and read that post, follow @slobberchops and wait for the rest of his series to hit the blockchain...And to go and do what he says too...If you want to build your account that is.
Ten days ago my buddy @bashadow suggested that he wanted to find six new users who looked like they posted well and were willing to engage with others, but struggled for resource credits which inhibits the ability to comment with any real volume.
His plan was to find six and delegate 25HP to each which is enough to gain ample resource credits to comment as much as they would like. I jumped on board the idea because I think engagement is very important and doubled up on the offer delegating a further 25HP to each of the six users.
Today after reading slobberchop's post I decided to take a look at those six users ten days after delegation to see how they are going. You can see them below and their comment activity over the ten days.
@bertrayo - 140+ comments (I lost count and gave up at 140)
@surrealfia - 51
@gvkanten - 29
@yaluna - 15
@kennethalambra - 7
@ds-d - 0
Now don't get me wrong here, I'm not one to applaud mindless comments like thank you, good post, yes, no, maybe, ok, and the like...They serve no purpose when a person is trying to build a profile. I also feel that out-bound comments are the key, not comments made in response to other in-bound ones. They are important too though.
I mean, commenting on other people's posts is what is going to help a new user build a brand, get on the radar, and build relationships...That's where good, consistent votes come from - Relationships.
I'm not saying that those above have only responded rather than out-bound commented though, you could investigate that for yourself...It's the blockchain after all. Out-bound commenting is where it's at though y'all.
I made the comment below on slobberchop's post...
Post with passion, personality and effort; Engage on other people's posts with relevance and interest, and keep doing so after the first comment, don't just drop one and think you're best mates. Be personable, don't fall into the habit of thinking you're the smartest person in the room (you most probably are not) and be respectful. Use communities, not just the ones where you think a whale may lurk waiting patiently for you to arrive, drop a shit post and then vote you at 100%. Show consistency and be patient, your account will grow in time. When you're done doing all of that...Do it all again, and again.
Engagement is a very important part of this blockchain, if a person wants to make a go of it, advance their account and have more fun...If not, then I wonder why a person would be here in the first place.
I hope those accounts above find what they are looking for here; They'll certainly be rewarded commensurate to their efforts of course; That is, no effort, no reward, some effort, some reward.
The power to engage lies within all of us, we just need to go and do it; Sure, some may need some encouragement but that's what communities do right? Support each other. Right?
To all you hivers out there who want to engage, keep an eye out on my post feed in about 10 hours for the #weekend-engagement topic post...It's a place to engage with others in a fun environment and to earn a little hive simply for commenting. Also, don't forget to post your weekend-related topics in the Engage the weekend Community - A community dedicated to the weekend!
For now though, it's goodbye.
Later y'all.
Design and create your ideal life, don't live it by default - Tomorrow isn't promised.
Be well
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I've been doing my best to brake the mold with some of the comments. Sometimes I can't, but I keep going and commenting people about what I think or their posts. There are some answers; usually, bot. But I keep the idea of rising and repeating and it's starting to show its fruits. This account has been in steady growth since I came back on the horse. I have to thanks @hlezama for suggesting my name when the post for the delegation of HP was done and to you and @bashadow. There's a third person who gave me 25HP, but I can't remember who and it's driving me crazy!
This a social network and the idea of growth follows some trends that were the core idea behind the famous platforms we all know. Go ahead, comment of people posts, share your thoughts. Be a social individual even behind your keyboard. I'll keep engaging on this, even when I just have a few words to say and not so outstanding.
This comes from the edit. I thought I couldn't see who delegated HP, but I can, it is @bdmillergalery. He's been very supportive of my work, too
I think the third may have been @bdmillergallery, he mentioned he was going to do so. Another indication of people wanting to help others.
You seem to do well with your commenting, I've had many from you and all of them have been valid and relevant - There's little point making them if they are not; I mean that for newer accounts trying to build relationships. Once the relationship is formed things can relax a little. Don't worry about breaking the record books with volume, just make sure they're good, which you do.
Thanks for commenting...I notice Acid has voted this comment which is great, he's a great supporter of the blockchain.
He voted another of my posts too.
I try to have comments in volume and quality at the same time. Well, whenever it is possible to do so. I just need a little time to get organized with my posting and my commenting and all will be swell!
Little by little you'll move it all forward, it won't happen all at once.
I know, but I like to make the most out of my unemployment.
That's a good ethos; You might as well be productive right?
Yup, I need to keep my mind moving. Otherwise, I get restless and start going into sleep drepivation.
Comments do help, and I am glad I was able to help with providing a start so you could post and comment. That I think is one of the biggest failures of the on boarding of new people to Hive. First day they can run out of resource credits to fast, and who really wants to wait five days before they can post or comment.
I think that is what happened to one of the people, he had zero HP, and we were to late to give a boost to them I think. I am glad that some of you are sticking it out.
I'm doing my best to use the resources I have. I hope someday I'll be helping newcomers too. In that way, I can keep the wheel spinning.
Waiting all that time to do stuff sounds awful. I would quit if I had to wait that long to do anything.
You can help them now by commenting on their posts, making them feel welcome. So many think support has to be financial...It's doesn't. It's amazing the power a comment has and the effect it has on someone who may usually get none.
I'll what I can to help people feel welcome.
Just a nice comment goes a long way on a new users post, or even someone that is not so new. I was surprised to see a couple post of people leaving because they feel they get more attention on other sites. One day hopefully Hive will have the numbers to match some of those other trolling sites, but at least we don't have a lot of bad seeds on the Hive block chain.
Nice comments on posts it will be then. Hopefully, it will be a site where people can grow.
Yes, quite probably. A shame really.
It is. I have noticed that hive keychain provides some HP to new accounts, but I am unsure how a new user gets it or if it is only available by signing up through them. There is help out there, just not enough how to get it places for the new users.
It's a complicated landscape is it not? I recall getting on here in June 2017...Without tarazkp it is unlikely I would have. He made it easy. Even then it took him six months to harangue me into it. For someone who knows no one I imagine it would be difficult. You're right, there is help, it's just sifting through the other stuff to find it that's the problem. Also, many don't help themselves which is a whole other set of issues.
You are doing the right thing. Commenting and interacting is the best thing you can do. There is no point in publishing valuable content if you don't give it away or make yourself known. I've voted your comment as a way of assessing what you are doing.
A hug.
The commentator @garybilbao
Well, thank you kind hiver! I appreciate your support and will keep commenting everything I find interesting, awesome, or just for the sake of moral support.
Hug received and a hug sent.
You've been doing a great job indeed! Keep it up but please make sure to give yourself breaks and breathing room. You want to keep this fun and not a job so when you need to, time away is just as important as anything. Lots have gotten burned out so just keep it light, refreshing and fun and you'll enjoy it for a long time to come!
Thanks and more thanks. Yes, I know the pressure to keep creative can feel devastating and have its toll of my performance. But I try to take breaks between posting and other activities studying things, reading and just laying down with my thoughts.
I'll take any long brakes when I feel like it. For now, I still feel fresh.
I agree! I do like the comment option on Hive, but do feel it is vastly underused. Speaking of engage the weekend, I hope to have another historical outing this weekend to share. Keep up the positivity! Much appreciated in the world as it is today
Don't tease me with history unless you're going to follow through! 🤣Seriously though, I look forward to it.
Engagement is so important. If a person doesn't want to engage that's ok though, just don't whinge about lack of exposure and vote value. It's a pretty simple concept really. Engagement helps me have more fun and with the price of hive fun is the focus now, not financial reward. We can all do with a bit of fun these days right?
!ENGAGE 25
Yo, G-dog. Don't fret! I'll go on the comment section and do my best.
I say this and the topic might be something I don't have a clue about. 🤣🤣
I'm not the fretting kind of dude.
As they say in my hometown "it was to see". 🤣
Oh yes, more fun needed! I hate to keep bringing up the COVID situation here, but with our Thanksgiving holiday cancelled for the most part next week, the least we can do is make things worthwhile and entertaining - Hive or otherwise.
I think the weather is good this weekend, and looking forward to the post! I'm not breaking any community rules by not posting about a certain subject for the week, am I?
You mean in the weekend community? Nah, you can post anything that relates to a weekend in there, any weekend, even one that hasn't happened yet. It's a pretty broad community.
Ok, thanks _ i thought so but then saw a challenge last week. I definitely don't want to disregard the community's rules.
I don't do challenges. What you saw was the #weekend-engagement topic which I release each Friday night. It's designed for people to answer the questions I set, or engage in the way I decide (sometimes drawing) and to stay around and engage with others. It's not designed as a challenge, just a place for people to come over the weekend and hang out a bit. I transfer hive directly to the wallets of some who engage with the topic, on the topic post.
Of course, doing a post on the topic I set is also ok, and I encourage those posts to go into the weekend community.
week 23 topic here and week 24 coming out in about 7 hours. :)
sweet! thanks - I misread that topic- I blame the IPAs tonight!
We have to go and capsize the comments section!
ENGAGEtokens.I well remember when I landed in Hive, three years ago. I've never been a big writer and English is not my first language, so I was not feeling very comfortable posting, but the crypto curiosity pushed me to try and I started following and commenting.
There was this guy who most of the time would vote anyone commenting on his posts, it was a very small amount but to me, it was the one who kept me wanting to come back every day, read and comment. Seeing a 0,03 or 0,02 vote after a while in my comment was a great win for me.
After a few months, I started to feel more and more comfortable and started to post every once in a while.
For those of us not used to post, engaging is the best way to feel comfortable with a blogging platform like Hive and definitely the best way to cultivate a great friendship with other users.
The language thing probably hold others back from posting I guess, but I also suppose that translators do a reasonable job which is good. (Even though I find them annoying.)
I do a lot of comment voting to those who reply in my posts, It's not a lot but it shows that commenting can earn something and more importantly, that it's appreciated.
Your comment responses are very valuable to any user, but especially for newcomers. Most of the new users land here knowing nobody, they may reply to posts and never get any feedback. Breaking that barrier is what makes the whole difference.
Yes, I agree...Its nice to be mate to feel welcome right? I mean in real life or here. I think a little more effort could be made by all of us to do so with the newer accounts.
Sounds like it should be Mr Slobberchops sir or Sir Mr Slobberchops XD
Somehow I seem to have gotten to that stage where people are asking me about this kind of stuff like I know anything and sometimes I get the feeling that they don't like the answer I give them XD
This reminds me of the term, askholes...People that bust your chops for your advice then do the complete other thing.
Some probably don't like the answer Ry, because it means they need to do something other than sit back and count the crypto-millions that roll in from them simply being here.
Do people ever actually just randomly "get discovered"?
I think they do yes. I do a lot of curating and come across people all the time, as do others I know. We talk, on or off chain, and all of a sudden someone has a little activity, some more eyes looking. Of course, they need to make the effort too, but if someone posts well it's likely a curator will see it and help promote that user.
To rely on that is filly though, which is your point I think. A user must help draw their own attention for sure. That's what engagement is all about.
Yeh I probably should have expanded a bit, I did mean do people just randomly get discovered by posting into the void (and perhaps at a bare minimum spamming links on Discord) and hoping/expecting that someone else will come along and do the promotion work for them :)
Yes, I realised that after I commented. I'm building Lego and so hadn't come back to amend it. No, you're 100% correct. Void-posting won't get people too far.
Sorry, a little preoccupied at the moment. 🙂
EDIT: Oops...I mean I'm working from home - Doing my day job. 🤣
Damn they keep you busy, have you lost all your Lego building time or are you still able to sneak a bit here and there XD
Where were you when I was starting!? :)) I love what you all are doing with the new people. I used to round up some of them, so they could comment.
Just kind of go in stealth mode (oh, heck, there is nothing stealth about here!) and drop a few on them. Especially if they put in the effort. I am so happy to see your weekend engagement so popular!!
Well, I started in June 2017 same as you so I was a little insignificant, tiny, very small, clueless dude who had injected nothing into the blockchain, no funds, just effort, passion and personality.
I'm all of those things still, which is why I try to help people engage, support the community and do my best to build a brand here. I know the power of relationships and so promote them. I wish some of the other long-termers did the same. If we all supported one newbie and that flowed on down to the next...I think we'd have a better place to enjoy.
The #weekend-engagement topic post has done ok, I'm pleased to see people join in although I'd like to see new faces, newbies and some oldies too! New topic dropping in 7 hours. An easy one.
Up until these last few weeks, I did #MarketFriday which is pretty popular, especially with newbies. I had to give it a vacation after 3 1/2 years because Covid has ramped up my hours and literally my life.
Le sigh.
I will try to drop in as it is fun to mix it up. We all stepped down on the Engagement League to put new faces up top, I think that was pretty awesome! You have done the community well, and your encouragement has really helped people being onboarded. Thank you! I would love this place to get to that place again where your heart ramps up, just logging in.
And honestly, I have nothing to complain about. A wonderful man named @Twinner dropped 500SP on me when I first joined and I had no idea what it was, where it came from, or what a wallet was. Talk about clueless! He is and always will be my hero! Which is why I will help anyone I can. He didn't even know me.
I have seen MF and commented/upvoted/curangeled some too - A nice concept.
There's so many people doing things in the background, but I'd like to see more. I just wrote a comment to someone who said they hoped to help new people someday...
Help can take various formats and often it's just a little acknowledgement of a new accounts effort that can make a huge difference to whether they stay or not.
You know, the #weekend-engagement topic I do has handed out over 1900 hive directly to people's wallets, just for a comment...That's over the last 23 weeks. It's not a lot but it could be a huge boost to a brand new account right? Not just the hive, but the fact that so many people see their account commenting and getting involved. There were 800+ comments on one of the weeks, that's a lot of people to get exposed to...I wish more new people joined in, and more oldies spread the word.
Oh well, if wishes came true beggars would ride. So I'll just do what I do and enjoy it. That's al there is really.
You're lucky to have someone drop 500 on you...I know others who have had that happen also. It helps I guess.
I will continue with it, but, a few weeks off to regenerate a bit. I always appreciate the comments, upvotes, and curangel is a wonderful concept!
The 500SP was a delegation, but, it was for three months, so that was great. I have to say that you are right in the fact that comment means a lot. I can remember when someone I admired left me a comment for the first time. I was such a small nothing account and he took the time to make a generous comment, which taught me something very valuable. The man read my entire post and it was longer than I ever do now. I can tell he read the entire thing and took the time to comment on it all. That meant a lot to me that he took that time and not only read it but, gave me feedback on it. I have to say that right there is what makes me read and comment fully on each and every MF post. Which each person has taken the time to tell me how they can tell I read it all by my comment. Now, I am no big account or a big deal in any way, but, that makes my day.
I see how your engagement weekend post gets so many comments, nobody counts them anymore! I say Bravo!! and I seriously mean that! That is awesome! Now, don't comment back as this has nothing to do with your post and I just wasted a bunch of your space.
Thanks for listening. :)
Thanks for wasting my time...Feel free to waste it whenever you like.
I said space. :))
Hmm thats true to be noticed I have to write more comments. But how it works at the moment for me is ok for me, because my posts get also more likes sinse the last 3 weeks, so the community looks like interested in my posts more and more^^
I was no time someone who go in every post and post a comment. I only post a comment if I am realy interested in the topic and the post or if I answer someone on a comment on my posts. An other thing is I spend not this much time on Hive. To create my posts it needs time and also it needs time to do the things what I post.
I have fun here, so I am fine :D
If you have fun then it's all good.
Hey thanks for the mention! I didn't know who the other 5 where but I'll also check them out!
One of the things I'd like to add to the "Hive newcomers" discussion is that you also have to ask yourself why you're here. I mean I know the on boarding efforts mostly promote Hive as a place to make money for posting content.. And if that's the case you might be discouraged if you don't get exposure.
I took Hive as a personal challenge to myself, first of all to write more, and I did so with no special expectations (I still haven't dug into the crypto part 😃🤦🏾♂️😃 I'll have to add it to the list) . Don't get me wrong, I love the extra reach especially if my content inspires someone or adds value... (In the same way I appreciate it when other people's content does the same for me) but the challenge was to myself first and foremost. So the amount of fun you have here is based on why you're here and your expectations.
And that's where genuineness comes in, in my opinion.
Get a feel for what you like and how you like to interact. Luckily there are people like you who guide, motive and support so you don't have to find everything out by yourself.
Up till now I like the engagement, and I'm going to continue as much as I can genuinely! But hey I'm social 😃
Six accounts were selected initially and each was supported; As you can see there was mixed results, which is why six were selected.
You make a good point; If people expect to get paid then do not then it will be a discouragement. Best to lower one's standards, remove the expectation of getting paid for doing nothing, and get to work actively working towards building something. But that's me saying this after three and a half years of hindsight. Maybe not so easy for others to see it.
I agree with your second major statement about the challenge. For some it's just enjoyment, but the point is the same. You write well, and that you get enjoyment from it is an additional bonus. If one removes the monetisation of it from their mind and focuses on the reward coming through other avenues then everything falls into place. Sure, getting some money is nice, but if that's the main focus here people will slink away in disappointment because it's not a simple matter of just fronting up, slamming down a few terrible posts and walking away a millionaire.
Being social is a good thing to be on a social media. I liken it to meeting people in real life. Would you talk all about yourself to them not allowing them to speak? Nope, you'll ask about them, prompt them to open up more and show genuine interest...Not boast about yourself. It's the same here, be personable, open and show personality but make it about them, on their posts! That way they leave thinking you're friendly and genuinely interested in them. Do it enough and they'll begin to seek you out to enjoy your company a little more. That's how relationships start, here, and in the real world.
I try to do my bit, like the #weekend-engagement topic that will come out later. To be honest if a person only engaged with every single person on those topic posts they would be able to do a week's worth of engagement in one place. It's a good relationship builder. I've done other things, and will again, of course.
There's nothing like good, consistent, engagement. Seems you're going ok.
Thanks for the mention, I used to do these kinds of posts in the STEEM days and noticed a marked absence recently. @nickyhavey has done some good ones in the past too, maybe he could start his up again.
@steevc may be interested in adding some of those newbies to his @tenkminnows project. This is a curation scheme intended to motivate in the form of votes. He's quite choosy on who he adds but the list of peeps is there for him to view.
I probably won't start up the Hive guides again in full capacity but I still do random tidbits here and there when I can. In fact I did one yesterday and have an evergreen list of communities post that I did to help newcomers find a place.
I've kept it up to date as I find new communities and it's pinned in my blog to help people find like minded people. This is something we didn't have when we first signed up to STEEM way back when!
That's good information, but you left mine out.. boo...
https://peakd.com/c/hive-104387/created
What I would like to see more is communities that are linked to a tribe, ie.. ones that have a coin attached to them. I have been looking at the old tribes and many of the websites are now gone and down. This could be the start of what SMT's will become.
Thanks mate, have added Urban Exploration in now!
Yeah it's pretty tough to keep on top of things even in one community, let alone trying to know the ins and outs of all the active ones! I think there's a good spread at the moment in that evergreen list but not really sure many of these tokens are active from that boom when steem/hive-engine started!
I don't see why more can't spread the word...It all helps I guess. I know I could do more, but as an individual hiver I don't want this to seem like work. So I do my little bit, help where I can and hope it has an impact. You're welcome for the mention, it was a great post to link to and I think a little series of them would be good; There's a whole new set of people we need to reach.
Thank you so much for your mention.... Doing the best that I can... As I have been here less than a month and I don't know that many people here... but I'll try to engage more... for a while I have been commenting who I know... but this post has really change my views... I'll try to connect with more people and help newcomers as well.
I think the point of it is to meet people by commenting as staying within a small, familiar group won't help you build your profile or make new relationships. It's a social media so meeting people by getting social is the way forward.
Of course, if you don't want to build, don't want bigger rewards and are happy to operate within a limited space then keep doing that. It's a personal choice and you should do what it is that makes you happy and brings enjoyment.
Well, this is something I am looking forward to changing. I don't want to stay within a small group and this is a platform where I can reach out to as many people as I can, so I'm not looking to just constrict into a small group. Thank you so much for your help
You are welcome, all the best with your endeavours and I hope you find some enjoyment along the way.
He disminuido mi frecuencia de comentarios. Pero me gustaría volver a reactivarme. Gracias por compartir esta excelente publicación.
We can all only do what we can do with the available time in our lives and I think hiving, commenting will ebb and flow commensurate to the available time we have at our disposal. I'm glad you liked the post and I hope you find the time to do some more commenting in the future. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Commenting is indeed crucial. I am getting incredibly frustrated with the Hive chain though and the inability to fix some issues. I am forced to use Hive Signer on my phone since I am having issues with PeakLock and don't want to clear my whole browser history and cache to fix it and Hive Signer has been reliable until a few weeks ago. Now I'm riddled with errors and it's incredibly sporadic and pissing me off. I get that it's hard to nail down but it's been weeks that this is happening. Ecency usually gave me a respite from some of the stuff but that app has been brutal as of late as well; not up-to-date feeds, comments failing, node switching gives me posts from 3 months ago. It's been a freaking headache since the evening is when I have the most time to engage but it's gone down the toilet recently.
I've reported some issues and continue to but as I tell those dev folks, I can deal with it and suck it up since I have a fair stake here but if new people encounter this, nearly guaranteed that they are gone for good. They tell their friends "yeah Hive had lots of errors, I don't know what the hell was going on but I gave up, might happen to you too."
Enough of a gripe comment though, I'm really glad that @gvkanten has been doing pretty awesome with those comments! It's good to see him getting out there and engaging with folks when he's on here. Bertrayo is definitely killing it so let's hope that continues!
I've been having some trouble loading comments on hive and @tarazkp told me about engage.hivechain.app and I've been using it since last night. Takes a bit to get used to as it's different but seems pretty good and I'll persist for a while. I hope your issues clear up.
I’ll give it a try, is it a website? I’m currently having to use the hive website instead of PeakD to type this. Very annoying login issues lol
Yep, a website...I've been using it all morning and so far it's pretty good. It won't let me Ctrl V an image in but that's a small inconvenience. I dropped an image into this comment to see if it works though.
You just need to log in, I use Keychain, and you're GTG.
EDIT: Hmm, seems image didn't work. Here it is again using Peakd. 👇
That’s awesome thanks I’m gonna load that up now. I don’t think keychain works on mobile which is what’s gotten me into this mess lol I tried to add it to brave on my phone but I don’t think it worked. I like the interface!
I do find the ratio of autovotes to engagement discouraging sometimes. Ever since I started on Steemit, it has been a constant struggle to find active users who want to build a real community.
I would say I agree with this, but sporadically, not on a wholesale perspective over my 3.5 years. I tend to get a few incoming comments and am always commenting out-bound so I think I'm happy with the level of engagement I'm getting personally, I think people could be doing more.
With this in mind, I wonder if people are not finding the engagement because they are being too selective, staying within their lane a little too much. Just a thought. I mean, I don't care about sewing for instance but have made comments on sewing posts, more to support the user than for any real interest. I think branching out a little may help to widen the net and help to mitigate the auto to engagement ratio. What do you think? I'm not making a statement, just raising the question I guess.
There's a balance between supporting your favorites and branching out to find new people to curate, for sure.
Yes, balance is a good word to apply to hive...There's so many elements and so finding some balance is really the key I think...It's easy to delve down the rabbit hole in one area and find oneself neglecting others. This is how I find it anyway.