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RE: How Long Should The Curation Window On Hive Be?

in dPoll3 years ago

I think this point is a bit moot as the curation curve is being changed to 0 minutes. I'd be happy with anything ranging from 1 hour to 100. Looks like everyone is going for 24 hours so I'm good with that number.

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I think 24 might get gamed - how often do you read 24 hour old posts - unless shared? 12 might be better, read daily, vote morning and night kind of thing - but shit is unlikely to get hidden below the fold before you see it.

I think the difference between 12 hours and 24 hours is totally insignificant and this is just a stepping stone to removing curation entirely and just getting a 50% kickback like LEO. I'm not sure how it can get gamed under any circumstances, be it 1 hour or 100. Bots are going to get wrecked no matter what we pick.

bots will get wrecked - but the 4-6 day voters like sweetsssj won't even have frontrunners on their shit

And what about early voting penalty?
That should be removed as well

That is what I was talking about, and it is being removed by default.

It essentially has to be removed because the curve is being flattened for the first x hours, so there is no point to having it, because there is no advantage to voting first anymore.

Honestly I think this is just a clever transition to no curation in HF26.

https://peakd.com/hive-139531/@blocktrades/roadmap-for-hive-related-work-by-blocktrades-in-the-next-6-months

Currently, voting earlier than 5 minutes after a post is published results in less curation rewards for the voter. This led to the rise of auto-vote bots that vote at or near the end of this 5 minute window, severely disadvantaging manual voters.

With this change, there will no longer be a penalty for early voting of a post/comment.

Great!
Then what will be the advantage of discovering content?
At some point there needs to be rewards for the ones that voted first.

The intrinsic advantage of rewarding users who are bringing value to the network is good enough. Are you implying that new users aren't going to get upvoted anymore because rewards aren't being sapped by those who upvote later?

This mechanic that is being removed has never worked; at least as long as I've been here.
It's been nothing but a net gain for LEO removing it entirely.

We should get rid of the convergent curve as well, as it is also less than worthless and greatly decentivizes engagement and upvoting comments.

Well all the above inclines to totally flat curation....

Yeah I've been against curation for years.

https://peakd.com/curation/@edicted/curation-and-sbd-are-broken

So this is a big win for me.

It makes zero sense for 'curation', something that is 100% determined by optional & permissionless frontends, to be enforced on the backend in any way. The flat 'curation' kickback is just a brain hack that makes it more likely that users will vote other people. I'd say we're headed in a good direction.

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I think the offer is to make the first x hours timing indifferent and after the cut off the same like now.
Order still matters outside the window.
No penalty, nor benefit, for voting early until the window closes then it works like it has.
If I understand it correctly.

the early voting penalty becomes irrelevant immediately, as it is all flat in that first window - there is no advantage to vote early, so no reason to penalize it either.

Yes I hope the penalty is removed ... just making sure people dont forget it and we end up worse then now