I thought the little girl was rehearsed also but it was a great ending regardless, whatever it takes, by now she's more than likely saying it with real meaning.
I don't get that either why they are wanting to vaccinate people who have already been infected. Innate immunity is better than vaccinated though I continually read in the MSM they say being vaccinated is. What's going on with the vaccines do not leave lasting recall of the virus in your T cells. Not everyone will have t cell member recall if they had a minor case of any virus but those who suffer a substantial infection definitely do. T cells are your last line of defense against a virus, a virus gets that far it's pretty much ingrained at that point and your immune system accumulates a lasting memory to it.
Theoretically that's why the vaccine is supposed to be so effective, because it presents via MHC molecules to the T-cell, which induces T-cell memory, while a traditional vaccine does not have this advantage. The spike protein has to be manufactured via mRNA in order for the MHC presentation to happen according to what I've looked at. This is the same thing that happens in a real infection. I say theoretically because I haven't seen any actual data that empirically shows how the vaccine is behaving once taken up by the vaccinated person's cells, but this is the most plausible explanation for how well it works.
I guess I am really lucky you brought that up because I am doing a post, I started it the other night but was missing a quote I wanted to use. I searched through a dozen articles I saved but couldn't find it. It was in this article...lol. I am assuming it's this study/research as to why others are making claims that the vaccines are not proving to establish t cell member, imprinting.
There was also this article which I found rather intriguing, they say there's a greater need to develop cellular therapies and not just antibody immunity....
Long-term, this means that scientists should pivot toward developing therapies that go beyond antibody immunity and include also so-called cellular immunity, which is driven by T cells -- a separate branch of the immune system that is independent of antibody-based immunity.
I could find others mentioning the lack of imprinting, I was also always under the impression that these vaccines do not enter the cells they produce the viral spike protein on the outside of the cell. At least if you listen to MSM who has spent months telling people these vaccines do not altar your cells they just prompt your cells to produce antibodies...lasting t cell develop come about, from what I understand, come from people who have severe infections....there are different levels of t cells so that may be where the confusion comes from. Here's an article on the development of immunity from natural infection. According to this article there are five different immune responses that can be enlisted.
I am not science minded at all so this has been a mind boggling road to go down.
The article I said was intriguing is a mind blower, one guy had eight mutations, he was immune compromised but that also goes back to the quote I was looking for in the other article....now hopefully I can get back on track with that post.
Thanks for the links also, in general, going to read through these myself! Im not science minded myself, just trying to make sense of a world at the moment :)
I know, what else can one do with so many conflicting stories out there. I am not science minded either, and it's quite a task to try and decipher all the studies done. I gained some progress today on the post I was going to do but I had to settle back and try and get my taxes done.
Thanks for the perspective - I don't know enough to really comment, as I fumble through most of this stuff, learning as I go - but it seems very experimental, given how new it is - yeah would be good to see some experts talk about any empirical data, might take years for that though - thanks for the comment!
You're welcome. The language they use to describe these things is so esoteric, it's difficult to sort through what they're saying. The papers are often behind pay walls so you can only see the abstracts unless you pay hundreds of dollars to gain access or you're a part of a university system. There hasn't been any real attempt to explain things to the public who are funding the entire protect. Given the above, your skepticism is well placed. We need a modern day equivalent to Martin Luther with his 95 Theses to nail them to the church, er, I mean, laboratory door 😉.
yeah, I think that before she was adopted, they put the narrative inside her probably just telling it to her over and over in China, before she was adopted - don't agree with it, but it did make a heart warming moment for the parents like you said - now they can of course, raise her the way they want - about vaxing people who already have had the virus - that of course makes no sense to me as well - most likely they want to make demand because they have a lot of vax they want to sell - the vax seems to work in a way that not normal vax don't though, they were talking about people having to take it long term - not sure if that is just the news cycle or they really mean it - thanks for the comment!
The only mRNA vaccine ever developed and tested on humans so far was for H10N8 and H7N9, they had a live virus to use in the H7N9 but had to go the eye of newt route with the other and use a quail surrogate, which differed in the dosage amounts required between the two. One sub group, I think if I remember right out of three they quit because of adverse effects but there were shots then booster shots given, the final analysis was they could produce a robust immune response using mRNA technology. That wasn't really surprising given it was an influenza and not a corona but they added a side note that there was no guarantee of the same results if a pandemic broke out....probably because it would depend on what type of influenza it was. They've also used and are currently in trial with a rabies vaccine though they could not make that one injectable without serious side effects but they went to trial using oral vaccine. Zika trial is also going on using mRNA vaccine but the results won't be finished until the end of July. They were also about to enter a study on MMA, it's a childhood disease where the kids usually don't live past age 12, they were approved for the study and asking for participants for the study when covid broke, and well, you know, more little Jonathan will just have to wait, if ever, because it said the study was dropped for financial reasons...like dollar signs rolling in their eyeballs kind of financial it would seem. Anyway, study in mice in that trial showed it worked but the shots had to be repeated, meaning if successful they can't do as they had been promoting of "fixing" the broken cells using this technology, the kids would have to be on it for a lifetime....which is better than dying, that's if also there would be no long term detrimental effects. There has also been studies using it against cancer but I can't find any research papers on them thus far.
I was going to mention but forgot that my brother got covid and I told him you don't need to take the shot because you have developed innate immunity. They told him he needed it anyway so he got the shot. Not even a month later he got covid again. My niece also, her college made her get the shot in order to come back to school. She went to Florida on spring break and ended up getting covid....lol.
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I thought the little girl was rehearsed also but it was a great ending regardless, whatever it takes, by now she's more than likely saying it with real meaning.
I don't get that either why they are wanting to vaccinate people who have already been infected. Innate immunity is better than vaccinated though I continually read in the MSM they say being vaccinated is. What's going on with the vaccines do not leave lasting recall of the virus in your T cells. Not everyone will have t cell member recall if they had a minor case of any virus but those who suffer a substantial infection definitely do. T cells are your last line of defense against a virus, a virus gets that far it's pretty much ingrained at that point and your immune system accumulates a lasting memory to it.
Theoretically that's why the vaccine is supposed to be so effective, because it presents via MHC molecules to the T-cell, which induces T-cell memory, while a traditional vaccine does not have this advantage. The spike protein has to be manufactured via mRNA in order for the MHC presentation to happen according to what I've looked at. This is the same thing that happens in a real infection. I say theoretically because I haven't seen any actual data that empirically shows how the vaccine is behaving once taken up by the vaccinated person's cells, but this is the most plausible explanation for how well it works.
I guess I am really lucky you brought that up because I am doing a post, I started it the other night but was missing a quote I wanted to use. I searched through a dozen articles I saved but couldn't find it. It was in this article...lol. I am assuming it's this study/research as to why others are making claims that the vaccines are not proving to establish t cell member, imprinting.
https://immunology.sciencemag.org/content/6/57/eabg6461?fbclid=IwAR0Iyh3iMGeUjnACH16jcuX5BRYhIQFP9Vkmyyld9_GrXyMDElA5_4Mt8
There was a release that contradicted it, that release came with a conflict of interest statement...nor could I access the full article.
https://immunology.sciencemag.org/content/6/57/eabg6461?fbclid=IwAR0Iyh3iMGeUjnACH16jcuX5BRYhIQFP9Vkmyyld9_GrXyMDElA5_4Mt8
There was also this article which I found rather intriguing, they say there's a greater need to develop cellular therapies and not just antibody immunity....
I could find others mentioning the lack of imprinting, I was also always under the impression that these vaccines do not enter the cells they produce the viral spike protein on the outside of the cell. At least if you listen to MSM who has spent months telling people these vaccines do not altar your cells they just prompt your cells to produce antibodies...lasting t cell develop come about, from what I understand, come from people who have severe infections....there are different levels of t cells so that may be where the confusion comes from. Here's an article on the development of immunity from natural infection. According to this article there are five different immune responses that can be enlisted.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19
I am not science minded at all so this has been a mind boggling road to go down.
The article I said was intriguing is a mind blower, one guy had eight mutations, he was immune compromised but that also goes back to the quote I was looking for in the other article....now hopefully I can get back on track with that post.
Thanks for the links also, in general, going to read through these myself! Im not science minded myself, just trying to make sense of a world at the moment :)
I know, what else can one do with so many conflicting stories out there. I am not science minded either, and it's quite a task to try and decipher all the studies done. I gained some progress today on the post I was going to do but I had to settle back and try and get my taxes done.
Thanks for the perspective - I don't know enough to really comment, as I fumble through most of this stuff, learning as I go - but it seems very experimental, given how new it is - yeah would be good to see some experts talk about any empirical data, might take years for that though - thanks for the comment!
You're welcome. The language they use to describe these things is so esoteric, it's difficult to sort through what they're saying. The papers are often behind pay walls so you can only see the abstracts unless you pay hundreds of dollars to gain access or you're a part of a university system. There hasn't been any real attempt to explain things to the public who are funding the entire protect. Given the above, your skepticism is well placed. We need a modern day equivalent to Martin Luther with his 95 Theses to nail them to the church, er, I mean, laboratory door 😉.
yeah, I think that before she was adopted, they put the narrative inside her probably just telling it to her over and over in China, before she was adopted - don't agree with it, but it did make a heart warming moment for the parents like you said - now they can of course, raise her the way they want - about vaxing people who already have had the virus - that of course makes no sense to me as well - most likely they want to make demand because they have a lot of vax they want to sell - the vax seems to work in a way that not normal vax don't though, they were talking about people having to take it long term - not sure if that is just the news cycle or they really mean it - thanks for the comment!
The only mRNA vaccine ever developed and tested on humans so far was for H10N8 and H7N9, they had a live virus to use in the H7N9 but had to go the eye of newt route with the other and use a quail surrogate, which differed in the dosage amounts required between the two. One sub group, I think if I remember right out of three they quit because of adverse effects but there were shots then booster shots given, the final analysis was they could produce a robust immune response using mRNA technology. That wasn't really surprising given it was an influenza and not a corona but they added a side note that there was no guarantee of the same results if a pandemic broke out....probably because it would depend on what type of influenza it was. They've also used and are currently in trial with a rabies vaccine though they could not make that one injectable without serious side effects but they went to trial using oral vaccine. Zika trial is also going on using mRNA vaccine but the results won't be finished until the end of July. They were also about to enter a study on MMA, it's a childhood disease where the kids usually don't live past age 12, they were approved for the study and asking for participants for the study when covid broke, and well, you know, more little Jonathan will just have to wait, if ever, because it said the study was dropped for financial reasons...like dollar signs rolling in their eyeballs kind of financial it would seem. Anyway, study in mice in that trial showed it worked but the shots had to be repeated, meaning if successful they can't do as they had been promoting of "fixing" the broken cells using this technology, the kids would have to be on it for a lifetime....which is better than dying, that's if also there would be no long term detrimental effects. There has also been studies using it against cancer but I can't find any research papers on them thus far.
I was going to mention but forgot that my brother got covid and I told him you don't need to take the shot because you have developed innate immunity. They told him he needed it anyway so he got the shot. Not even a month later he got covid again. My niece also, her college made her get the shot in order to come back to school. She went to Florida on spring break and ended up getting covid....lol.
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