Overpopulation is a problem for only the middle class ? Not people like Elon Musk..
SEASON 10.4 of @ecotrain QOTW this week has come up with a very niche topic that is the fundamental cause of every problem that we face - Overpopulation. Unfortunately, India is a leading contributor to this problem with 1.4 billion people consistently putting their hard effort to claim the winner spot, but no one wants to even raise the issue, forget about solving it. There is no statistics about which sector has more power to contribute more, but I am sure, the middle class loose their stance quite soon. Before marriage, I was thinking to have a lot of kids, but then I gave up the idea after admitting my son in the play school. The cost of that admission was more than the amount spent on my entire education - how lucky our parents were. Literally, I would have needed few clones of myself to work hard to meet the need, had I not given up that idea. With two kids only, I have already conveyed them that, there is nothing left after their education - literally no asset or money. I am loosing my vision very fast working day in and out, trying to make some extra money by writing here and save it for my retirement. They have to stand on their own feet else.....
The government does not want to touch the issue , not because its sensitive, but because, probably it will violate the fundamental rights of people, for them its is like the more the merrier - democracy fulfilled. So who are those people who want big families ? In my opinion, it's either the very rich , who can afford and need lot of kids to either manage their empire or enjoy all the luxury and quality family time (their quality is beyond our reach). Else it is those clash of people, who need a big family to work and contribute to the success of the family - education is their least priority. And don't forget, more people means, more supplies as part of all the free schemes that the government provides - an extra advantage, isn't it ? I have seen people having more than ten kids, even once I asked someone, how can you manage !! His answer was all these by God's grace :). And then when I asked what all he planned for these kids - his answer was like - they are all assets - working and earning - few kids are working in garage to become future mechanics, few are selling vegetables etc to set up their own business, no one goes to school. He has put them directly in apprenticeship. Must be quite an inspiration in his community!!. But are we all collectively not fighting for the same resource ?
So how can we solve the problem, without violating the fundamental rights ? Lets take both the ideas : limiting the number of children vs no limit on your fundamental right.
Limiting the number of children
It definitely needs a very long term plan and execution. The first step would be to encourage people to not have more kids, because no one can restrict the numbers, as it will violate democracy. I am sure, the middle class are already aware about the consequence of showing their power, so they are already restricted to two kids. Now from the other non-abiding group, we have two segments - the rich and the poor. For the rich, start putting a tax of 10-20 % of their wealth for every kid which should increase proportionately with every add on - so that they know the value of their efficiency, if they want to show their inner power. Probably Elon Musk would fit into this as well. And for the poor segment, stop giving them any benefit, if they try to create a factory of kids - they should not be able to earn a lot of money collectively without paying any tax.
Unlimited Production
The only possibility to sustain while going ahead with this option is to not use our natural resources, instead use artificial resources in the most efficient way - science and technology may provide some help here. We will need a magic capsule that will help us not eat or drink anything else and survive for X years, like bots. All the research companies should join hands and find out that most valuable pill that should also be affordable. This way we can save the natural resources as they are limited. If we don't do that, nature knows how to reciprocate. The other option I can think of is that, during child birth, give some vaccine to kids so that, they survive till the age of 45-50 - die before old age touches you. It could probably be further improved to restrict the limit inside:)
These ideas sounds crazy ? I wonder, who brought up this question ? You must be from the middle class feeling that pinch ? Or you are not affected by overpopulation at all being a single ?
It is fair to say, for example, that technology could be used to mitigate many of the issues that our large population is causing, and we would be very interested to hear ways in which you think technology could be used to solve many of our climate and population issues.
Yes, it is fair as long as we are throwing ideas here on this decentralized platform but no centralized power want to touch this - I know none of this would happen and we will surpass all limits to challenge our nature to bring another intelligent destroyer, that will automatically take care of everything. As per one of our ancient prediction, its going to start as soon as in 2023 - human stupidity will destroy humanity.
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Human stupidity will destroy humanityHoly one-liner over there, that sure hit hard when i read it, as a low class from Venezuela who is eating basically pure junk food and my health is basically garbage, i gotta say, is not the mid-class or low class that wants kids, if you look closely, is more of a problem about lack of resources and instinct than anything else on us.If i could get access to a good "bullet proof" anti-conceptive i would, but is hard to come by with the perfect pills, beside one kid pushed my fiancee and me from the mid class to low class just by basic expendings, being hive our main income to boot, for example in vnzla a good house on "mid class area" is about 7000 to 10000 usd, and that in itself is a population control by the rich class, in the rich areas a house would be about 140000 dollars with ease, and in the capital of the country it would be closer to 250 than anything else... So, why does that influence? Services.
Low class gets water once per month, electricity power goes out a lot more, time is also greater, and a lot of others "debuff" that comes with not being high class in venezuela.
The person that did those questions, have never ever seen poverty or hunger the way mid-class and low class do, have you ever wondered what would be of you if you ever become that much poor? I do...
I belonged there once upon a time, we were managing our house in 50 rupees only.
I didn't know, but it makes sense, you are a self-made man in a lot of ways and have achieved so much, so it fits, I celebrate you for achieving that, I'm working hard to be able to support my family our of low class.
hello dear friend @sanjeevm good morning
Excellent post, your words invite reflection, and you say very true things.
Here in my country, Argentina, the government indirectly motivates people to have more than seven children, because all those large families obtain an economic subsidy. All those who do not think properly do
I take this opportunity to wish you a happy start to the weekend
The cost of raising those children must be less than the subsidy for this to work out ?
This is certainly a bad idea for people, since the cost of raising a child is much higher than what can be obtained from the subsidy.
Unfortunately there are people who do not reason, and have no idea what raising a child is.
Because of this type of policy, it is that my country Argentina is always bad economically,
Limiting the number of children in each family is one of the best solution but It should apply on all the people's Irrespective of what caste or religion they belongs to..Because it has been seen in many places in our India that Hindu families are giving birth to a limited number of children.But in the case of some Muslim families, it is not seen that ,they do more than one marriage now and give birth to more children.If this method continues, then somewhere in the future, we will have to pay the brunt of this thing..... @sanjeevm
I am not specifically calling any person or any religion wrong but it is seen in many cases
True, the law should be same for everyone across any religion. Population is a problem for the entire country, not any particular religion.
Such a wonderful idea and how you were able to change your mind with the number of children you intended having before but seeing the amount of school fees made you back up.
I don't think some other people especially the poor ones would even think of this because their mentality isn't different from having enough children so they can be an asset for them when they grow old.
I believe educating these families would make them aware of the effect it has when they have more children with no resources to care for them.
Thanks for sharing
This is a very touchy subject for sure. I feel that the only way to rectify this ever growing problem is through education. Education in the way of birth control, adverse affect on natural resources, and the present problem with famine.
Giving an opportunity for the poor to gain valuable job skills would also reduce their need to have large families. Because of low wages, lots of hands are needed just to make ends meet.
The present world population stands at roughly 7.9 billion and is expected to grow to 9.9 billion by 2050. If this projection is correct, mankind as a whole will be in serious trouble.
An honest response: I think your rationale is a threat. Check and research history why and how powerful groups of people had induced birth control in the past (forced sterilizations, 1 child policy)
In my opinion, the creation of life, reproduction is primary to human existence. If more people wld agree on this, policies to sustainable existence wld be adopted decisively.
“Overpopulation” is a right wing combat term. Who wld believe that anything creative would came from this force ever.
I have an issue with this discussion because most of the time it is the overpopulation of the other that has to be solved. If you are ready to give up this human activity, congrats I guess. As a careful default, I will oppose any rationalist starting point on this.
I just don’t see overpopulation as the issue when I look at education fees…
I think that villages also contribute greatly to the increase in the population, and this is natural because families have many tasks that must be managed. Is it possible for India to surpass China in population in the next five years?
There is a strange phenomenon, you find that poor families have many children compared to rich families, in your opinion, is this due to awareness or to a specific culture?
The poor countries usually have more children. I heard it was because they can't afford contraceptive. Some is that they can assist in bringing more income back home. And others is it's traditional to produce more due to family values !
Families that have most children sometimes are from poor family and this is not just happening because there no financial means or support but because such marriages lack family planning which is a major effect of overpopulation.
I remember this question coming up years ago on Ecotrain... Am I right @eco-alex? A difficult one to address.
It's not a popular view to say that everyone should be limited to two kids. It hardly seems fair though that those with more kids end up using the resources and taking the jobs for their own families benefit.
I find it depressing to think about what humans do to the earth. The more of us there are, the more we consume. Perhaps a whole rethink about HOW we use resources is important.
This is a complicated and touchy subject. Usually I try to not get too much into it. I know some regions of the world are more populated than most. I also know that many cities are too. However in general for the entire world that is a different issue. I think many think of their particular region and only in terms of resources. That is fine. However if we consider the regions and the strata of society using those resources - not many people want to have the discussion. Why? Most resources with a carbon footprint is used by western societies or in general by more affluent westernized people - not the poor people.
The million dollar question is what should be done and how? Most people want the same thing for their family - to live with dignity and have at least the basic needs met. Maybe governments could start there. I think it could go a long way.
However I will end how I started - this is a complicated and touchy subject - the solution is most likely the same.
Families in which many children grow up will likely have low incomes. This isn't only due to the lack of financial assistance in that group but also because they often have a tough time maintaining family relations due to insufficient family planning.
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It seems to me that proper knowledge practice is required for this. It is impossible to prevent this if the middle class families or the lower class families are not aware of the population. However, population problems are most prevalent in Southeast Asian countries. If the population problem continues to grow day by day, it will one day become huge.
It already has become huge :) its about to be giant.
As a father, i understand your desire to provide the best education that money can buy for your 2 children. Parents make a lot of sacrifices to provide the best for their children.
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