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RE: Some extra changes are being bundled into hf24 regarding the proposal system, we want your opinion on it

in HiveDevs4 years ago

Hey, @howo.

Is there a post somewhere I can go and read what all is now included in the upcoming hardfork?

It seems it could include this, and the second airdrop for folks who were mistakenly left out, plus those who have been approved since. After that, I'm a little hazy on what else might be involved. Even if it's highly technical, it would be nice to know.

I've gone to github a couple of times to see if I could figure out what might be happening, but I'm afraid I didn't have a whole lot of luck. It's been a few weeks since the last time, so I could try that again if that's the only place to look.

I do appreciate the time and effort of all involved in keeping HIVE up and running. As far as these changes for the proposal system, I have no major objections, other than 60-days could be too short an interval for even milestone projects as blocktrades describes. However, I am in agreement that increased oversight and accountability with these projects are needful and necessary things.

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Hi, most of the changes are on gitlab and we will have a release candidate around next monday then we'll compile all the changes, but we are mostly doing housekeeping with this HF tl;dr:

  • chain id change to definitely separate us from steem
  • massive optimization to the core code
  • the changes I outlined above
  • Some api changes and fixes nothing major
  • Allow hive donations to the hdf and start converting steemit's stake to hbd so it can be available for proposals.

Thanks, @howo, for the reply. That all helps a lot.

re: converting steemit's stake

At one point, it sounded like there may be a community discussion over what to do with steemit's holdings. I guess a decision got made to just go ahead and convert it? I've been waiting to see what people thought about that since there were a few options as to what to do with it.

Don't count on that.

Hey, @oldtimer?

What part am I not counting on? :) That the decision has been made or that there could still be a discussion about it? Something else?

The decision was made without community discussion.
My remark was more meant for future actions.
I know they'll jump on me for this but let's face it;
decentralization and proof of stake don't walk together hand in hand.

Ah, okay.

Apparently, we all have our own definitions of what decentralization means—for some, it seems, around 60-100 persons involved out of thousands is sufficient, certainly better than 20-30, at least to start with—I guess we'll see moving forward whether that continues to be the case. For others, you can't have enough involvement, and I would imagine there are more points for folks in between.

I think a lot of this could be mitigated if someone were to regularly (once a week would be nice, like hiveio did for a bit), communicate, but while some individual devs have been popping up here and there, we don't seem to have regular and consistent updates from the main blog.

So, we're left to piece things together. Which, unless I'm getting this wrong, was one of the many knocks on Steemit Inc. for such a long time.

I'm not sure how I feel about using the 'ninja-mine' stake. I guess I'm just not used to creating something out of nothing, even though that's the way things have really worked since man began to barter.