Super Mario Sunshine isn't as good as I remember.

in Hive Gaming3 years ago

I bought the Super Mario 3D All-Stars bundle back when it was available for purchase. As some might know it contains Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy. All have been remastered with a minuscule amount of changes from the originals. Some resolutions has been changed, textures updated and controller schemes changed to accomodate the Nintendo Switch.

After collecting all the 120 stars in Super Mario 64, which I'm still quite proud of, it was time to get going with Super Mario Sunshine and do the same. I've been playing it little by little for about a month. A small session in bed before going to sleep, a longer session here and there and most recently a good session in the car while traveling. Over a month I've only collected about 25 shines which isn't all that many and there's a reason for that. The game just isn't as good as I remember.

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The good old days

When I was a kid playing Super Mario Sunshine on the Nintendo Gamecube I loved it. I would play it for hours on end and have a good time doing so. Now that I'm playing it as an adult, back to back with Super Mario 64, I don't have that same feeling. It started out pretty good but the more I progress through the game I like it less and less.

The new mechanic introduced in Super Mario Sunshine is the F.L.U.D.D. That's the talking water spraying contraption strapped to our back that we befriend early on. It let's us spray water to clean stuff and damage enemies or we can use it to hover and navigate the world in several creative ways. It's a cool mechanic but to me it got old quick. Running out of water is extremely annoying and having to jump back down from a height to refill your tank after spending a little to much water getting there is not fun.

It's also a little annoying to use. You can either just spray wildly in front of you in the direction you're facing or you can come to a complete standstill if you want to aim. Since the Nintendo Switch doesn't have pressure sensitive triggers you're always spraying at full blast as well. On the Nintendo Gamecube you had the choice to spray at low and high strength and everything in between. That's just hardware limitations though and they didn't really have a choice. Still a little annoying as it uses up water faster.

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Boring levels

The level design feels progressively worse as we progress. It starts out fairly well with Bianco Hills which has a relatively cool, fun and memorable level design. It's downhill from here for me though. Ricco Harbor is pure pain. There's so much water which is a living hell with the awful swimming mechanics this game has. There's a ton of narrow paths high up in the air we need to navigate as well. A tiny misstep and we're down in the water with a long annoying way to get back up there. When we get back up there we just get blasted down again by a nigh undodgable cloud that pushes us off.

This isn't a unique issue to Ricco Harbor either. It's the same in Noki Bay as well only here you gotta stop every 10 feet to spray the wall to make more platforms appear. Then you run out of water and need to jump way back down into the toxic water, take damage from that, refill your tank and climb back up. I ended up rage quitting this level in the end.

The rest of the levels are pretty unmemorable for me. They don't really have anything unique or cool going for them and feel like they've been put together on a whim. A real shame.

I loved how Mario looks bored and unimpressed in this Screenshot. Very fitting.

Uninspiring collactathon

As with any Super Mario game this is a collectathon as well. You collect Shine Sprites which is the equivalent of Stars from Super Mario 64. As with Super Mario 64 each level has a set number of Shines to collect and the stage changes depending on which Shine you're after. The tasks you need to do range from defeating bosses, doing puzzles or get to some hard or high to reach place. There's also the classic task of collecting 8 red coins.

For some reason going in and out of the stages in Super Mario Sunshine feels less appealing than it did in Super Mario 64. If I somehow die and need to restart the stage it feels like a massive drag when in Super Mario 64 I had no issue just jumping back in and get going again. I guess this is up to the stages being fairly uninteresting and unoriginal. The tasks we need to do just doesn't feel unique.

Another weak point the game has going for it is the blue coins. These are a new addition to the Super Mario series with Sunshine. In short there's blue coins hidden around each stage as well as in the main hub. These can be collected, like the Shines can, and once you collect 10 of them you can trade them in for a Shine. It's not a bad design per se but the issue for me is that there's to many. There's 30 on each stage counting up to 240 in total. They're a drag to collect in my opinion.

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This turned into more of a rant that I expected it to do. I'm not sure if I'm gonna continue playing this. I don't really have fun when playing it and feel like I'm playing it only because I want to complete it. I might just skip over to Super Mario Galaxy instead. That game has been praised way more than what Super Mario Sunshine has and as an added bonus I can play it coop with my girlfriend. She loves Super Mario games.

What do you think of Super Mario Sunshine? Am I being to hard on it? Should I lay it down for a while and try to return to it later? Do you agree with my rant? Let me know in the comments.


All images in this post are screenshots taken by me.

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How beautiful it is to see Super Mario Sunshine and all the classic installments in a remastered version, and even more so to remember old times, this has a retro yet elegant feel to it!

If the game bores you, the best thing to do is to move on to another one, maybe after giving Galaxy a chance, you'll be encouraged to play Sunshine again, that's how it happens to me sometimes with some titles.

Great screenshots bro!

Moving on is probably for the best. I see no reason to force myself through it if I'm not enjoying it! Cheers mate! I love how the Nintendo Switch has a designated screenshot button.

Yes, that's one of the coolest things, it's very handy actually, although for example for some games like Mario Kart Live you can't take screenshots unfortunately.

I didn't know that. I guess it's to prevent people to share other peoples usernames or something?

I never really understood the reason, but it was strange, nothing bad is done with screen capture or recording, even that is advertising, the only thing that could be, is that for being a game that came out on the 35th anniversary of Super Mario Bros, they wanted to take it as something very exclusive, even limiting those aspects.

So weird how they made 3D All-Stars a limited release. I didn’t bite at the time.
Sunshine is one of the only Mario games that I never really played. I used to watch my friend play it as a kid, but never owned it myself. Always seemed pretty cool to me, but I guess I was obsessed with other titles. I will say that I was jealous I never got to experience the tropical vibes. Surely you will enjoy Galaxy more once you get started with that one.

Yeah it's so weird they did that. I don't know if they plan to release the games separate at a higher price later down the road or something. Nintendo are quite greedy so I wouldn't be surprised. I hope and think Galaxy will be better for sure!

You collected all the stars in Mario 64? congrats! I believe one of the last Mario games I am fan of is Galaxy. It felt like the franchise refreshed completely. Great purchase!

Hell yeah brother! It was a big gamer moment. One point hatched off the gaming bucket list.

I loved this game, when I was a kid I enjoyed it on DS, you don't know how much I loved passing all the levels and how much fun it was in this mario, without a doubt it's one of the best games I've ever played in my life. Being so old gives a lot of nostalgia, fighting all those fuckers for suns gave me a lot of laughs, it was quite competitive.

I liked it as a kid but now it was just stale. Such a shame. I guess we're less prone to seeing these faults as kids. Glad you enjoyed it though! I never played it on the DS. Only played Super Mario 64 on there.

I have also had the opportunity to replay some titles that I played a lot when I was a kid and now I find them boring.

Maybe it happens that way because when we were kids anything that shined and was new impressed us a lot, but now as adults and with a different perspective of how we experience things, maybe they don't seem as amazing as before.

It's a bit risky replaying old games for sure. If you end up disliking them it may ruin the image you had of them forever. Luckily I don't go back in time that often.

I think they focused more on the visual aspect that they could give to the remastering than the gameplay and detail as such, the truth a shame because for players who love the old versions to focus on that is quite disappointing. Give Super Mario Galaxy a chance, I'm sure you won't be disappointed, at least I had a lot of fun when I played it.

That's what remasters are though. Visual upgrades and bug fixes mostly. It worked out great for Super Mario 64. That game is practically timeless. Super Mario Sunshine not so much. It's just less.

I tried to get into this one when I got the 3D All-Stars bundle, but the controls were pretty stupid.

Yeah. I feel like the idea was better than the execution with this one.

No matter how many years have passed, Mario games are great. Honestly, I didn't know that 3D All-Stars was released. I enjoyed reading the review, thanks for sharing!

 3 years ago  

I've never heard of this one, sunshine? Nah.

Maybe moving on to Super Mario Galaxy is the best thing you can do. I played it on the Wii when I was a child and it was one of the best experiences I had with Super Mario.

You gotta let go of the jumping cube so you can learn some gaming history my man. Super Mario Sunshine was the main Super Mario game on the Nintendo Gamecube. I'm looking forward to trying Galaxy. We'll see when I start it.

 3 years ago  

Gamecube was too old for me. My thing was Nintendo DS :P (I remember one called Mario And Luigi Partners in Time). That one was amazing, I don't know why Nintendo never touched it again :(

I can't remember that one. Never played it. I had the DS but not a lot of games for it. I had Super Mario 64, Another Code and some other random stuff. I mostly played my Gameboy Advance games on it.

I feel like Sunshine has not aged as well as the other mario games. FLUDD was an awkward idea, I dont want to have to clean up slime everywhere as part of my gaming experience. Feels like you may as well move on if youre really not enjoying it

Yeah you pretty much sun up my feelings. Time to move on. Maybe I’ll get back to it one day.

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Well, in my opinion the game is not fun enough. As you said as you go through levels it gets kind of boring, well that's not what you want from a game, I don't think you're being hard on it, I actually think "I'll be crazy for saying this" but the game deserves it a little bit, I'm just saying. As you also say @pusen there are some levels that get tiresome and end up being boring, and well one comes out annoyed from the level and may be from the game as well. What we always look for in a game is that it amuses and entertains us.

Do you agree with my rant?

If it was good I found it very interesting and well, it also gave me the opportunity to say some things about this game here in the comments section.

Wow man this is so heartbreaking hahaha I mean, I've never played Sunshine (in fact the only Mario games I've ever played are the Galaxys) but a friend of mine is about to borrow me a Sunshine copy and I was so excited to give it a try! Now I'm not that excited but I would play It anyways and see what's there for me.

But first, I have to finish KH3!

For me, the best games of the Mario saga are: Mario Party, New Super Mario Bros for DS, and my favorite Mario Kart, I always played with my friend @therealflaws and other neighbors, there were no levels that became heavy, you just competed with your friends and had a good time having fun :D

I felt this way about it when it was released. It is listed in some lists as being one of the best Mario games but I totally disagree. Despite having a very limited library of games at the time, this one got relegated to obscurity pretty quickly mostly because I hated the focus on the water canon that would run out so often.

I understand that they were trying to be constantly innovative with the Mario franchise and didn't want to just release another clone of the epic N64 game, but in my mind they really missed the mark with this one.