Why I won't be relying on my state pension... based on the history of major financial crises...

There have been TEN major financial crises in each decade since the 1990s...

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O.K. so this is only according to Wikipedia's list of major financial crises so there will be some debate over the number based on different definitions, but this does give us something that's peer-reviewed to go on.

At least three of those nearly everyone will know about as being VERY major:

  • The 1997 Asian financial crisis
  • The 2007 global sub-prime financial crisis
  • The 2020 state-induced pandemic response crisis.

Now on average that's around 11 years between major financial crisis with a lot of smaller ones in between, and note that there have been 6 already in the 2020s and we're barely into 2023 yet!

Why I'm not relying on my state pension.

I allegedly get to claim my UK State pension in 17 years, when I'm 67, so statistically we are due at least ONE more major crisis in that time, probably more like two I would imagine, given the lack lustre nature of the recovery after the governmental chosen response to the Covid pandemic.

And Britain is possibly in the worst position out of every major economy to weather future crises thanks in part to Brexit.

Now, every time a crisis happens some portion of the vulnerable get shafted by a reduction in State funding to those vulnerable people.

(NB crises aren't crises for the rich, they are an opportunity.)

Historically it's been the young and the poor - make the young pay for university, cut benefits to the poor, and the public sector workers through pay freezes which lead to a reduction in real-terms income.

And up until now the government has been desperate to protect ALL old people, mainly because old people vote for Tories.

But at some point the capacity to not shaft the old is going to run out...

I mean we are set for TWO more major global financial crises - NB Britain's recovery plans are based on economic growth picking up and there is literally NO contingency for dealing with future crises which are basically inevitable.

So whose next for the shaft - I predict public sector workers and benefits claimants again.

But with crisis two?

That's very likely the point where the state pension starts to get cut or pushed back hard and fast, possibly to early or mid 70s, and possibly for people in their mid 60s who are going to have to adjust hard and fast, or die.

So no, I am NOT relying on getting my State pension at 67, in fact I think it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY I'll get it at that age, I'd say something like a 90% chance I won't

This is really just factoring in the combination the the terrible state of Britain's public finances, the historical statistical trend in global financial crisis and the fact that we have a rapidly ageing population and the planet's dying.

Anyone currently in their mid 50s or younger who is expecting their pension before 70 is kidding themselves!

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100% agree, although I think the same logic applies to the rest of the western world too. All up to their eyeballs in (unpayable) debt. We're gonna have to fend for ourselves...

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who are going to have to adjust hard and fast, or die.

Are things already at the point there where it would literally mean life or death???

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In the U.S. millions of people are effectively planning (by not making other plans) to survive on just their Social Security check. For many of them, it won’t be pretty.

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I think you are spot on with this assessment and thankfully I have a pension that doesn't rely on the state. crypto could well be our Godsend and expect it to be the case for mnay of us and why it is that important to keep on growing.

Yeah it's one of the joys of crypto, can you imagine what a pensions melt down could do to the Bitcoin price!

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At least for a while! Be nice to get a few years out of it before it all goes titsup!

Yup, and i guess once it starts being paid, if they put back the age, those already getting it won't be affected. But still, i'm not relying on it. Crypto and my home (with future income from retreat guests) is my pension!

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I think there may be something of a pensions time-bomb. The government may have to step in again if schemes collapse. There's lots of concerns about the demographic shift to more old people, but that must have been foreseen decades ago. People are having less kids and we need to adapt to that. I have some private pensions that I hope will look after me. I may even pay in a bit more now I can afford to. Not sure when I will actually be able to retire.

It was foreseen decades ago but no one is doing anything about it.

I was listening to a podcast - some radio 4 show - recently - one academic pointed out that the young are screwed. Something like 50% of the electorate are already over 50. They will basically vote for policies that benefit them - pensions and high house prices.

There is literally no possible political solution to this problem.

People will vote in their own interests, but they have to think of future generations too. I worry for my kids, but I'll do what I can to help them.

I'll try and find the show and drop you a link, that section was depressing... it's like self-interested voting is basically going to screw society via bad social policy decisions.

Democracy is an imperfect system, but better than most of the alternatives.

I would say raising the pension age to 67 is shafting the elderly already but yeah, I imagine further shafting of the poor. The Tories really love doing that, even Bliar/Brown was a tory dressed up as labour too and was just as bad.

Blair was just a continuation of Thatcher unfortunately - we partied when he got elected but the good spirits didn't las too long!

Yes , plus the Iraq debacle! That guy has done pretty well at being evil.

He's done OK - Multi-millionaire of course!

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Here in Italy this thing is public, clear and imprinted in the laws... only that generations like mine (I was born in '82) will not be able to retire before the age of 75... better but the forecasts are not rosy for them either.

In the current state I believe that a pension should build it personally by investing in defiance of the state.

And if, when crises arrive, he finds himself on the side of the rich, so much the better, new opportunities for earnings.

Wow - they've gone hard on that, I expect most other Euro countries will just have to do the same in the next decade!

Yes, let's say that in Italy the situation is particular because the political class is ridiculous.

In any case, I believe that with the global crisis underway these will not be good days for other countries as well.

In any case, if we want to think like investors, fortunes are built in times like these... so keep your head down and ride!!! Financial freedom awaits us!😉
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I was fine until I got to "and the planet's dying".
From a government point of view, we're not really getting to grips with that.

But wise to have a plan B for your state retirement pension. They've messed it around plenty already.

Politics as usual isn't set up to deal with climate change unfortunately that much is clear.

The only question is my mind is whether it's going to be a slow decline and whether we'll be alright until we're 80 and then dead or whether there's going to be some kind of utterly cataclysmic even in the next 30 odd years!

I'm definitely in the same boat. I don't want to work my ass off my whole life and hope that the government will help me when I'm no longer useful to them. I will build my own future, and live it the way I deserve it. Because I will earn it.

I think a personal retirement investment plan is essential these days, for sure!