Getting off the endless ladder

in LeoFinance3 years ago

One colleague of mine today said that he spent most of last week waiting for Bitcoin to go over the 60 mark, as he thought that once it did, it would fly up. He then added, that is probably isn't worth his time just looking at charts.

I have been trying to get him to look further afield for a very long time already - but most people (if they do manage to invest in crypto) see the investment much like a stock, where while they have the decision power to buy or sell, everything else is out of their control. I have stressed that a lot of the value in crypto is through active participation, not waiting for other people to moon the "stock" coin.

The response was pretty much, who has the time?

Well - if you have the time to stare at charts - you have the time to read about DeFi, NFTs, Social crypto platforms or perhaps even - how the industry is able to bring some relief to the disaster that is the current economic model in circulation. For most though, the investment into crypto isn't to change the economy, it is to change their financial position in the current structure - to buy a higher rung on the ladder, to feel a bit more superior to others.

Personally, that is part of it in some way, as I am guessing like many people in the world, I am not in the best financial position and have to heavily edit my potential due to a lack of funding. However, I am very interested in a world where more than I have access to possibility and choice, where everyone is at least, less limited in their chance to reach their full potential. Limitations always exist, reducing limitation should be a goal.

However, that goal can't be reached by doing the same thing over and over that has reduced our ability to reach our potential, as it corkscrews an increasing amount of wealth at an increasing speed into a decreasing amount of hands. Sure, a few people might be able to buy their way higher on the ladder, but it won't be too long until the ladder has grown to such a height above them, that they are effectively in the same position.

I think that while there is still probably a minority of people who are looking at the bigger picture of crypto, I am hoping that more people start recognizing the opportunity to actually mark their ground (in a digital and expanding space where ground can be generated) and build something of value. However, this requires investment into what hasn't yet got a lot of support.

I was thinking about this last night in response to a post complaining about downvoting of content that is dropped onto Hive, as well as downvoting of content that is seen as overrewarded. In my opinion, information of content and value of content are two different things and having informational value doesn't mean it has HIVE value. When people are dumping the same information that is available everywhere else, it doesn't have HIVE value.

Part of my comment:

Many Hive users value Hive content, because this is where their stake is, their money, their future. Many Hive staked people value Hive people for the same reasons. If the same content can be found elsewhere without it linking back to Hive or bringing in Hive users willing to be part of the community, it doesn't have Hive value. If the accounts are dumping non-valuable Hive-content onto Hive for reward and often on top, then dumping that reward on the market, but don't even care enough to comment on Hive or support Hive in anyway - they aren't Hive people.

I think that "value of content" and "Hive value" are two different things - where the content that is exclusive to Hive is of greater value of the equivalent non-exclusive and the people who interact on Hive and participate in the community as Hive people, are more valuable than those who do not.

You can disagree with this appraisal, but that is how I see it. If you want social media that has value distributed to users and owners in a more healthy way, use Hive. If you are interested in your own personal branding and are hoping to move up the rungs in the traditional economy, spam away on all the platforms - but no matter what that information is, it doesn't mean it has any right to earning Hive value. No one has rights to Hive value, until they own that value in their wallet.

If you want to be part of changing the world for the better, you have to be part of changing the world for the better. Wanting a better world isn't enough, wanting to be part isn't enough. There are costs to this and one of those costs may be having access to a smaller market. However, if you actually want to attract people into a building a better economy, that has to come through building on the decentralized networks and using this as the source material for all of the others. If you choose not to do this, you are making a conscious decision to support the status quo to move yourself up the ladder.

It should be assumed and expected that Hive stakeholders will encourage Hive content and Hive users and discourage non-Hive content, ubiquitous content and people who do not actually care about Hive or building the ecosystem, other than getting votes. This isn't a harsh stance, it is a natural stance in the evolution and development of an industry - if you want to build, you have to use the resources available to build with and on Hive, stakeholders have HIVE to distribute to build with - they don't want to dilute their potential on information that is available anywhere.

Now, it is up to each account holder to make their decisions on how to participate on Hive, but I would suggest that anyone interested in building a better Hive and a better economy in general - support the Hive ecosystem and reward Hive content and Hive people, before distributing to those who just want a higher rung on the ladder.

Taraz
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Four years ago, when Hive appeared, it was just about the only way to earn crypto without having to use your credit card, you could earn crypto just by adding value posting your content, or curating.

Many joined this idea as a test, knowing very little or nothing about crypto and little by little started getting to understand all the possibilities of this amazing technology because they were willing to learn.
Some tested delegating to curators to get passive income with their voting power, others discovered they could use centralized exchanges to diversify their portfolio with their crypto earned by posting and they started to understand the real value of this new economy.

As the industry evolves, there are more and more financial and non-financial opportunities out there, like liquidity providing and farming, as well as NFT selling in all its formats (graphic, photo, voice, and video) but still, lazy people only try to find the get rich quick opportunity and many will suffer the consequences investing in scams.

I encourage most of the people who ask me about crypto to use Hive or any of the many games which offer you a way to enter this space instead of using their credit cards. Alien worlds WAX game offers you a free way to earn tokens and NFTs, sell them in the marketplace, exchange the game TLM tokens into WAX, and bridge those WAX into Ethereum to do some farming. It is not about the amount of money you can make posting into Hive, selling NFTs, or getting some gaming rewards, when you join. It is the learning of the space that after some months, gives you the competitive advantage to be able to generate crypto income or jump into crypto-financial opportunities understanding the risks and rules.

The learning curve is big, and not many are willing to spend the time to learn, I've spent hours helping many people before. Now, when someone approaches me just to try to get some easy money and not wanting to learn, I just suggest them to buy bitcoin and read some books and learn. I do not want to waste my time anymore.

I always remember something I read when I was learning how to trade. Would you trust a pilot when flying if he would have told you he had read a couple of piloting books before jumping into his first plane? same with anything in life, crypto is not an exception.

It is not about the amount of money you can make posting into Hive, selling NFTs, or getting some gaming rewards, when you join. It is the learning of the space that after some months, gives you the competitive advantage to be able to generate crypto income or jump into crypto-financial opportunities understanding the risks and rules.

This is what people don't get, including the well paid link droppers. They are chasing the status quo owners, hoping they drop a dollar note in their pocket, while selling out what actually has value. I don't think we need to spend too much energy encouraging the status quo to stay the same.

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That is the thing that is often forgotten about the link droppers or referrals to other pages type of content 'creators' no one is saying you shouldn't do it but we are saying that that kind of thing doesn't necessarily inspire rewards to be allocated. Especially when the provider of said content actively doesnt engage in building or forging any types of relationships just stacking the tokens then selling them off. Parasitical in nature.

no one is saying you shouldn't do it but we are saying that that kind of thing doesn't necessarily inspire rewards to be allocated.

Exactly - do it all you want, but I don't have to encourage it and I personally would prefer to discourage it - we are not a data dump, we are a content ecosystem and if the rewarded content isn't even original, the value is being milked for no gain.

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I kind of feel like I am missing the ball by not going into DeFi harder than I have. I am just worried about missing out on something big or putting my money into the wrong thing and ending up being sorry down the road. It would be nice if I could just get a little bit of profit that I am not worried about losing. I guess all I can do now is just keep plugging away on Hive and Leo!

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I am just worried about missing out on something big or putting my money into the wrong thing and ending up being sorry down the road.

Me too - I think I should pull my crypto in a bit more than I have. too many risks :)

It would be nice if I could just get a little bit of profit that I am not worried about losing. I guess all I can do now is just keep plugging away on Hive and Leo!

Work in percentages, otherwise the "right time" will never come about. 5 or 10% of crypto earnings/ gains can be used to experiment with - it doesn't sound life changing, but 5 years from now, it could very well be.

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Great advice! Thanks for that. I am going to also look at maybe doing some consolidating so I can do some strategic buys at the right time.

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These dips at these values won't last forever =)

It's an interesting one, we embed pretty much every post with youtube, now maybe we should be using a hive based dapp, but the truth of the matter is manufacturers use YT and know there's a good proportion of their target audience on there, and we have our audience on here who support us and we support. Value in content, you have to be able to separate seeing what it offers and whether you like it - a bit like us reviewing a car. You see it for what it is regardless of whether it's got a hard plastic where it should be soft, adding external content has it's place - external link or embed but it must not be literally 1 line and a link and from an account that doesn't add value or participate in the community. Great read by the way, thank you

It isn't even the embedding from YouTube (though for the people complaining already about being deplatformed from centralized places - they shouldn't use more centralized places), it is about having content here that can't be found elsewhere. Embedding a video, adding your own content on top additionally, engaging with the audience on Hive - not having them go out to engage elsewhere.

I am pretty forgiving on content in general, but when an account is getting 100+ dollar posts on content that often has no comments on it and they haven't commented on the platform for five months themselves. Do you think it should keep earning?

I like exclusive content and though not always possible, comments themselves can be used to make it Hive content - drop a link, build a community around the discussion. When the content is a link to information that is to be found anywhere and everywhere - why read it here?

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Nail on the head, this is why we value this community so much, it allows us to grow and right at the beginning 3 or so years ago we used some of our our earnings to upgrade our equipment, win win, an engaging audience and the opportunity to earn too - our aim now is grow our account and keep powering up, we have a great support network. If our community warranted it we could make custom content too.
Over the years we've seen accounts voted up purely down to who they know regardless of content all very well if it's meaningful and provides quality for hive, otherwise it makes it challenging anyone new trying to get recognition with good original content.
No in a word people who don't contribute to its growth and offer no content should not be rewarded, everyone we support offers informative and interesting content.
thank you for the discussion, we like pretty much everyone came from Steem, i'm Ben by the way.

I traded sushi, made gains but eventually lost some dollars, however, I am understanding coin gradually

Did you get too wild, or not stay in long enough?

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I didn't go into wild but there is a bush near by that seems to hide them

For the sushi, I went a little wide in my curiosity

I wonder if many struggle with the traditional thought of content ownership and ability to create sticky content that generates eyes and income for much longer than 7 days.

Does having such a short window either push creators to also publishing on the same content on their own sites if they are big enough. I am thinking more along the lines of someone with a following created the traditional model who also participates on here, and engages, but is cross posting from their own platform. I get why it might not have maximum HIVE value - but always want to show those creators that in time they can shift and leave the old world behind.

Personally, I tried the website route once, I sucked at it, I spend 90% of the time trying to build the site and 10% creating content, it was all backwards and never looked like I wanted. I am focusing on this new way of building a following and building my community here.

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I wonder if many struggle with the traditional thought of content ownership and ability to create sticky content that generates eyes and income for much longer than 7 days.

Wonder no more - Yes they do!

The people with larger followings think that link dropping here will last forever, as if we owe them something for their content, even though it brings nothing to our community. No one knows they are here but us and all their links are leading somewhere else.

When it comes to the 7-day window, it does have an effect where people say "but I will only get paid for 7 days, why bother?" - My answer is that I get "paid" (it isn't really paid, it is rewarded) daily, both on the content I create when I post and in curation on other people's posts. It has taken over four years of content creation to be able to get rewarded daily, but as far as bloggers go, my earnings aren't reliant on the platform owners (there are none) or advertisers - it is my readers directly who I interact with and build relationships with - it is a community that can support itself - as long as it isn't bled dry.

Unfortunately, people appreciate value for money
If something A equals 10 dollars
And a B thing is equal to 100 dollars
So, B is the highest value
Yes, we have excellent and valuable content, but unfortunately it is not appreciated

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in some ways yes, but there are also some people looking t even the scale a little.

I think there is no easy money, whoever is doing 10X or 100X with their money has invested considerable amount of time studying it. If you do not play the game well like learning then you are gonna lose. Similarly out here we are investing our time as well as creating value and that helps us to earn some money out of it.

Some people will never learn. Some never even try.

Great post @tarazkp , I think its important that we all get friends who can create good content on to the platform:)

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tengo como un mes que estoy invirtiendo en crptimonedas no es mucho pero llevo alguito ahorrado el detalle es que no se mucho sobre su comportamiento, ni se como poder comprar con esas que tengo otra criptomoneda

I think I'm doing it 'right' then! My content is here, and all my other socials (insta/twitter/fb links) push to my content that can really only be found on HIVE. This is the one and only repository for most of my ttrpg content and I plan to keep it that way while also pushing my friends and family to jump in and start HIVE-ing as well.

I think a lot of the people that would like to be on Hive Block Chain in a social manner suffer from Stockholm Syndrome when it comes to leaving FB and YT. Both those platforms have a lot of people that feel they are being censored, blacklisted, and shadow banned. SO they change their names and go back to the people that banned, blocked or censored them and rant and rave a cry and whine, all the while lining their oppressors pockets with more ad revenue.

We have all seen so called YT heroes and FB warriors come to Hive and then rapidly leave and return to the other sites, because they did not get votes or follows or comments. Follows, that seems to be a big big issue with them, and I for one just do not get it. I ahve those I follow, but I do not follow hundreds, (okay well 202), people want to be able to see stuff from those they like easily.

YT, FB evidently only give you an option to follow people, not to really assign them to categories, (at least that is my understanding since I do not use either). With peakd I can categorize people and content. Like:
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I love the list function. I will vote and look at YT/FB people on Hive, but if they don't interact with at least a few others, then I stop. It is that simple. YT/FB they may be one-way streets, but on Hive we are two way streets and even sometimes multi-lane highways. (those post that get a gazillion comments).

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Hey! @bashadow, I suppose my username must be one of those 32 in the "Fun Side" section of your selections list on PeakD right?

If not, what are you expecting for to add me? In my opinion, it would be an unforgivable omission not doing it. :)

I had you on one of the list, it was on the social side list, but I just added you to the fun side also. I have a lot of overlap depending on my mood for when I want to read or have extra vote power for the day. (that does not happen often though)

I had you on one of the list, it was on the social side list

Oh! It's nice to know that you already had me on one of your lists. And it is also absolutely understandable that we have a lot of overlap when we make our lists.

but I just added you to the fun side also.

Thank you, thank you. It's well appreciated.

However, I wonder why I was on the "social side list" in first place? Really? In the social side?

Uhm, now I think I'm going to have to have a medical check-up or something similar. Because I suspect that when you decided to include me in your social side list, I must have been writing sleepwalking or surely I had been wandering for too long through the Twilight Zone when you notice me. LoL

Anyway, I reckon it always has to be a good thing to figure on someone's list. In whatever list!

Cheers!! :)

Even shit list, it means you got under someones skin.

*genuine lol*

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I agree fully with your last paragraph!! (The rest also, but the last bit is to me the crux)

Thinking of it, it will help to get more coins.

I Love this post.. Long writing .

This is awesome . .

I am new on this platform , I like your post so much .

I request you to give me some tips to be successful on this platform .

who has the time?

Well there's a conspiracy theory that the unwashed masses need to be kept in a constant state of panic and crisis so they don't have time to think about anything worthwhile as they'll be too busy desperately trying to keep their heads above water just surviving, and after that looking for any form of distraction from their miserable worthless lives. If they started thinking they might realise stuff is borked and fix it, and that would be an absolute tragedy to the 1% XD