High Stakes Algorithms

in LeoFinance11 months ago

Stake is your voice.

Over the years, I have heard a lot of complaints around stake-based voting on Hive, and how people will generally only listen to those with stake, or vote on those with stake. This is somewhat true, because Hive incentivizes building stake (Hive Power) in the platform and one of the main ways to do that is through engagement and value-adding to the community. This means that over time, the people who are building stake, are generally the more active and engaged people, so they will attract more votes of support naturally. But, it is also possible that some people reward those with stake more highly, hoping that they will get some reciprocity, which is vote trading, a poor social behavior.

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What I like about stake is that it shows willingness to have some financial skin in the game, which is even more highly weighted in hard times, as that tells something too. And on Hive, it is easy to see what an individual account has in terms of Hive power through their wallet or profile, even though that is not the whole story. For instance, I know there are people here with large Hive stake, that are financially struggling in real life. I also know people here who have next to no stake, but are doing very, very well financially in real life.

There is a lot of reason for everyone to have their voice, but I also like the idea of stake-based sorting (depending on how it is applied), because it can allow for a better weighting of voice, so that those who are likely to have more value to add to a conversation, can be heard. Also, a staked person can also sort the comments, giving a bit more to those they think bring value to the conversation, to push it up the chain.

So, I was reading an article today about the failure of remote work in many cases and I went into a mentioned Tweet, and read some of the comments.

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As I was reading the thread of comments like "You couldn't pay me enough to San Francisco.." and how it isn't a failure of remote working but of management, it got me thinking about Hive.

Over the last few months there has been a lot of talk on the Twitter algorithms and what is being pushed into view, and what is not, but I was wondering what would change if there was more insight into the person tweeting - would it make a difference to the reader and their willingness to support?

I believe yes.

For instance, Google, Facebook, Microsoft etc have a mass of information on our digital activity and through this, they can make predictions about who we are and they can be, very accurate. So, what if some of this kind of information appeared next to a Tweet, would it influence the reader?

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Probably.

Note: It might also be a way to sort bot from human as well, as bots would spend less on Amazon, at Walmart and surf for less penis enlargement aids.

This is a thought experiment and I am not advocating for this, but it is interesting to think about as it shows how we can be influenced by what we know (or think we know) of someone, in ways that will affect our likelihood to believe them, support them, or dismiss them. How many people are weighing in on Twitter conversations that don't actually have valid experience to speak about the topic at hand? How many people are giving advice, without having the skills themselves?

When we don't know who a person is, we might give them an equal say, but this doesn't actually mean that we should listen to them equally. Go to a football, basketball or hockey game and sit in the crowd, listening to what people talk about. They will give advice like "he should have passed..." or, "the coach ought to..." While they themselves might be ex-professional players or top league coaches on their night off, the chances are, they aren't. While they have an opinion, their opinion isn't nearly as informed as it should be, so while it might make sense to you, it doesn't mean it would win the game if applied.

Twitter and similar are essentially the crowd giving their opinion, without us being able to see whether they are in the cheap seats, or if they are on the coaching team. We have no background information, which levels the playing field and gives voice to the many, but not necessarily voice to those who can add the most insight and value.

If Twitter was more Hive-like and some background information was easily visible, I think it would make quite a difference to what gets crowd support, and quite quickly, the loud voices with invalid experience would be pushed out of the conversation.

Taking this a step further, what if it was automated?

What if the Twitter algorithms were to favor certain bits of information depending on topic, where it used the data known about an account through data mining points, to give preference to those who are most likely to have something valuable to say. Would the level of conversation change? Would it be more useful for the audience?

What if it was selectable?

For example, what if I was able to filter my Twitter feed based on relative income in their area, where I only see what the top 10% of earners write? Or if I filter for only the bottom 10%? If I filter for those employed, or those not employed? Filter for their political affiliation, or their sexual orientation? What changes?

Would it influence me in some way?

Of course, Twitter is already filtering the content for us based on what it wants to push to us as an individual, which is what will make it the most money one way or another, but it isn't transparent. Transparency changes everything because while people are advocating for freedom of speech, we also need to temper it with freedom of consumption, meaning that we should devalue ambiguity and raise clarity of information. One of those ways is having an understanding on who is saying what, because that gives a bit of insight into why they might be saying it. We do this for public figures, but we don't do it for the masses.

Yet, everything is known about us by a handful of companies that leverage it to tighten their stranglehold on information and the way it is used. While we are encouraged to fight to fight for our privacy on the surface, the data collectors are looking up our skirts.

I think it is an interesting thought experiment to consider and the conversation about transparency, privacy and the integrity of opinion is going to be an important discussion in the next decade, because information has become so muddy, it is senseless. Everyone may have a voice, but you don't want to hear everyone sing. And, you don't want to be bombarded with so much invalid information, that what has value is lost under the waves.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if there was a little more useful information available on an account, even if pseudonymity is still maintained. I think it would have a profound effect on the user base at the viewer level, but also at the posting level. Will the loudest voicers be louder, or quieter of more is known about them?

How much skin in the game do they have, what stakes are they playing for.

Still an influencer?

Taraz
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As I was reading the thread of comments like "You couldn't pay me enough to San Francisco.."

You couldn’t pay me enough comments vary all over the map. I’ve been to San Francisco twice, loved it, and yeah you could pay me to live there but it would have to be quite a lot since it’s an expensive city.

On the other hand, I feel that you couldn’t pay me enough to live in Florida. Lots of people love it, but it seems like hell on earth to me.

But if there’s anyone out there who’d pay me a lot to live in the south of France, I can be bought if the price is right…

When people say things like that on social media, I assume no one would be willing to pay for them to be anywhere.

South of France would be great. I gave never been, but it is on the list. We are looking for a week away in the summer and were checking Nice just tonight.

I'm guessing as it actually becomes more accurate and available, true AI will be able to help us with a lot of that sorting stuff.

I believe so - though I am skeptical as to whether it will help us, or be turned to maximizing profits at our expense, like now :)

As we age I feel staking is the right investment. Because actively day trading is horribly taxing to the brain. And the thing is however AI is far from accurate. I feel like trading and doing small trades through AI should be a good option as it can save a lot of human hours. As time goes ahead, we can reduce a lot of human hours which were wasted in analysis, cleaning of data and improve decision making.

Because actively day trading is horribly taxing to the brain.

Yes it is and eventually, it starts to fail. Brain, and the trading.

As time goes ahead, we can reduce a lot of human hours which were wasted in analysis, cleaning of data and improve decision making.

If everyone does this, what happens to the returns? And, do you think the AI you have available to you, will beat the AI that a trillion dollar investment firm has?

Twitter is just following the trend of demand to sustain in the business of internet. if we closely observe then same almost other big social platform doing . collecting the data from user is now common and vulnerable. Wishing hive set different examples in these internet markets.

Centralized social media is a cesspool of social harm.

Being human is still the most relevant tool we all have to create a honest and transparent reputation that usually lead people to trust more and support more.

The people playing the "perfect character" role are somewhat poorer and inspire less trust

"Trust" is the word of the future - in information and in people. It was the word of the past also.

It would certainly be interesting to see that information about an account. I wonder if people would try quite a bit to falsify it, because lots of things on the web are a load of shit. Hell I know people would do their hardest to falsify the data lol. It would only work in some regard to be like hive where it’s blockchain and stake visible. I’m trying to muddy the waters with these data giants as much as I can, for none other than just privacy.

I’m very skeptical of Elon lately, I’ve read some more things about his history and he’s quite connected to the CIA. Wondering if I will get around to posting about it. Freedom of speech may be a smokescreen to get people to trust the asshole trying to put a chip in our brains.

wonder if people would try quite a bit to falsify it

Most definitely.

I’m trying to muddy the waters with these data giants as much as I can, for none other than just privacy.

Perhaps this is where an AI could be used, to spend "offline time" doing crazy stuff :D

I’ve read some more things about his history and he’s quite connected to the CIA

No idea, but all of this big tech giants are in bed with the US government, otherwise they wouldn't be tech giants.

Staking is really a proof of engagement, but i stake some hive to accomplish something for future, as it's a little investment of time in Hive 💫

It is partly proof of engagement, but people also buy Hive ;)

Yes, i see this too 😺

It's hard but I honestly don't think anyone who wants to live in San Francisco isn't thinking properly. I heard it's a shitshow now because the DA doesn't even bother to do anything about the crime.

As the influencers, I think the vocal minority will be really annoying. I have a feeling they are way more committed compared to a normal person and I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a ton of accounts. I just don't think they have the stake to do so because I see a lot of them being petty.

Yeah, it is more of the "can't pay me enough" part of that comment, not the city or place itself. I am pretty sure that everyone has a price. It is like all those people who said "I will move to Canada if ..." - No they won't.

I have a feeling they are way more committed compared to a normal person and I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a ton of accounts.

Yes, this is what happens now. The thing is that those accounts are pretty easy to identify if using the data layer below, as their activity will not look like a human.

I just meantioned in my last post that one must have a considerable HP to exist on HIVE blockchain, to affect it, and to add value to it.

And if they don't have it yet, they should be building it daily.

Of course, Twitter is already filtering the content for us based on what it wants to push to us as an individual, which is what will make it the most money one way or another, but it isn't transparent.

I've been testing Lens protocol for a few months. Not very active with their Lenster app (Twitter on lens protocol) but using it to see how everything works. It is on the Polygon network and it builds the "relationships tree" out of NFTs. When you follow someone a new NFT follower is created and transferred to your blockchain address, and your follower's content gets created from there.

Of course, there is still a small community compared to Twitter but I hate getting more and more "sponsored" tweets in my following or missing some of those I follow. I believe the transparency and ownership build around lens is incredible.

Never heard of it. There is a craziness to how much people actually rely on Twitter for their news, considering it has been pushed to create drama and money. Seems unreliable to me :)

I don't understand what's the conclusion you started from hive staking or hive Power or ending it on something related to Twitter, to be honest Its doesn't make sense for me, I mean I don't understand the point need little bit of help on this if you don't mind 🤔

Hive stake is evidence of something, including account history. People use it to evaluate an account.

Twitter has no such background information to evaluate an account.

I think Twitter have that information but it's not publicly available

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I believe if you are waiting for an algorithm to feed you with information, you might not even be interested in. It is better to filter with stuff you really enjoy and care about that brings value to your daily lives.

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I think you're onto something with this post. It would be nice to be able to see that demographic info, but I'm not sure I would want such granular info shared about me.

However, this is one of the main reasons why I prefer to scroll on my "following" tab instead of my "for you" tab. I have direct control over the people I follow, so I feel like I have more control over what I see when I only view what my followers are saying. When I'm scrolling my "for you" feed, then it is much more based on what the algo thinks I want to see to keep me engaged. Sure it takes more time to cultivate the following feed with people worth following, but I also think it is better, more focused, content.