WarzonePolitics - Introducing the Politics alternative to LeoFinance

in LeoFinance3 years ago (edited)

So coming back to Steemit after a 3 year hiatus, I learned that most people migrated to Hive and the hottest shit on Hive is their interface LeoFinance. I tried it the past days and I really like it, there is just one huge problem: Crypto and Finance is not the main topic I am interested in. I am much more interested in Politics.

Politics on Hive could really benefit from having it's own User Interface. Imagine being able to sort your feed for news, left-wing, right-wing, anarchism, centrism, memes, Europe, America, Asia or a mix of those.

WAR-Token

Of course I would also like to introduce a new Token called WAR. This Token should primarily work like any community token as an upvote Token. The much more interesting secondary function should be as a downvote Token. It is naturally integrated into Hive, but I am not sure how bad it is for someone to get downvoted on Hive. We might have to separate WAR-downvotes from regular downvotes.

War in WarzonePolitics

These downvotes should not be given out randomly but only after a formal declaration war between certain communities. If the War is accepted both communities shall produce content with the tag "raidable". This content should be bolstered up by some whales of the respective community so there is something to raid. Downvotes should also be always paired with comments, criticizing one of the arguments brought forward in the raidable Post. If the criticism is refuted as baseless the downvote should be retracted.

This or similar is how I imagine a War to be held on WarzonePolitics , maybe to spice it up we can make a Total War function where Posts can be raided that are not marked raidable but for that an amount equal to the downvotes has to be paid as fee (burnt maybe).

What do I need?

(1) I need someone who can provide technical assistance, I never programmed a proper UI and I never created a Token. I would love to be a part of the process though, not only giving my input on every step of the way but also learning the skills needed to do things like that on my own. I just did a Java programming course and worked as a Software Tester for 6 years, so I have a little bit of a foundation.

(2) I also need someone really interested in politics that I can bounce ideas off. A partner in Crime who is as enthusiastic about the project as I am.

(3) Someone who can produce high quality artwork.

Generally anyone who wants to support the project is welcome. But I would like to have a team of at least 4, me and the positions I mentioned above.

Banner Challenge - EARN 50 HIVE

To start anything we at least need a first banner and I really suck at doing art, so under this post you can join and do a banner art for WarzonePolitics. The art I like the best will win 50 Hive and I will let open to banter for copyright with art that I might also like but did not make 1st place.Edit2: It would be nice if you could highlight the politics aspect rather than the War part.

Edit3: @friendlymoose has won the challenge! Congratulation and thanks for the awesome art!
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I dont want to give too many details for the artwork, I think the text "WarzonePolitics" should be included, but do whatever you think fits best, dont let me hinder your creativity!

I will use the artwork of the contest for this post, that is why it is looking rather barren right now.

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Interesting concept, and a politics front end would be quite a topical place. For the tokens, I'd see what LeoFinance is cooking up, I think a proper decentralized token creation system may be coming. @disregardfiat is also working on this area, as alternatives to Hive Engine.

@nealmcspadden has some experience with trying to start up a politics front end, just prior to the STEEM/HIVE wars and fork. @themarkymark and @whatsup were involved in that project also, could have some insights for you.

Best of luck with it all.

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Yeah, it was successful during its short life in terms of engagement.

Just that whole hostile takeover and witnesses breaking the chain thing.

I think it was gearing up to be a huge success, but the split came. I don't think anyone wanted to restart from scratch just as we were getting up and running.

do you know the name of the project so I can do some research?

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The project was talkingpoint, the tokens were point.

It was barely off the ground before the wheels came off the Steem wagon

The project was talkingpoint, the tokens were point.

I legit just understood that... before I was like: OK, they talked about the project and somehow the token was important - damn his english is bad xD xD

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Lol I thought the same thing! I so love this platform, but sometimes I don't know if it's my eyes or broken english making it hard to read stuff, haha!

(About the eyes comment, I have glaucouma and cataracts, and it makes life a living hell as I try to use technology with less and less visual ability.

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If you ever want to do a discord meetup where you guys can maybe show/tell me what your plans were and what we might do together in the future?

If you already have a lot mapped out, then I really don't need to take the leadership or anything, I would be happy to just play my part, pitch ideas and do the work I can.

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As a group we decided to not pursue the project. I still think it is a good idea and there is no question people love to debate politics and they would.

The reasons I didn't care to pursue it had more to do with the environment and lack of certainty with Hive's direction than the viability of the project.

I don't know if there will be SMTs, if the inflation changes, if they attempt to shut down the blogging apps all together. However for those who are willing to take those risks, I see huge opportunity.

Stop by my discord server anytime.

https://discord.gg/E734uYZ

Hey, thanks for giving me some people I might talk to about the project. I was thinking that Im not the first to ever have that idea.

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It immediately came to my mind as well after reading the post, POINT was the token, if I remember correctly.

@thatgermandude, you can find a couple of the member of the team responding to jk6276's this comment.

In the last, I agree, this is an interesting concept and many of the Hivians/Leofinancians would love to see it in action.

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Maybe I will try to create something.

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sure, didn't know you were doing artwork ... we are talking about artwork are we?

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Yes we are.

Do you still want to create some artwork?

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not sure, @friendlymoose already provided a really good banner

WarzonePolitics.png

I mean there cannot be a thing like too much artwork, but with this I have the foundation I wanted.

but thank you very much for the offer, if you have sth in mind that you really want to put to paper I still have 20 Hive to spare for a 2nd place ;)

I had something like this on my mind.

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not too shabby! I would definitely like to use that as well.

A few things that would really improve this imo would be:

  1. Bigger size, while I use the one from @friendlymoose of more as a footer I think I could use this as a header in some posts, so I think maybe 1.5x the size?
  2. The words on the face of the guy are almost impossible to read, if you could make them more readable and also be topics in politics - only thing I can read is "grab" :D
  3. the underscore should be only under politics not the whole WarzonePolitics

Not sure how much more time you want to invest and how feasible my criticism is. I am on discord in the Leo room if you want to bounce ideas more directly.

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Maybe like this?

The bigger resolution is here:
i.imgur.com/8aFh9Y6.png

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Very interesting, but with our society being so divided I am afraid this will not end in exchanging factual arguments like you indicated, but soon in blind hate. As you can see in the Twitter echo chambers there is no reasoning anymore, no justifications whatsoever. It appears that brainwashed puppets just dislike anything what the others say, regardless if it is logic or just common sense. E.g. you are against a 15km radius of your personal prison cell, because there is no scientific reasoning and also unfair for people on the land vs. city dwellers? Then you must be a Nazi with a tinfoilhat, a Covidiot, you name it. Or racism. We all agree that racism is bad, but for some morons people only racism against PoC is bad and racism against White is not even possible!

Here on Hive there is at least in some cases a polite discussion of people with diametral views. With introducing a "warzone" and deliberate downvotes this could soon turn into a "pay to win" of political views. But not the one with more Tokens should be the winner of politicl discussions!

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I expect certain groups like Anarcho Capitalism/Libertarianism to be overrun, while I see many right-wingers hating the label right-wing because too many folks just associate Nazi with it.

I think hate is just a natural part in discussions and I want people to give people the possibility to let some Steam off in a regulated manner. Even War has it rules, constantly disregarding those rules is more of a modern age thing that I would really want to avoid or at least have punished ---> see the Total War idea

My personal political opinions are not even radical, I mainly want the Communities/Cities to be more powerful than larger overarching structures. But I am very tolerant to a point where I tolerate the intolerant, you could build a white ethno-state for all I care as long as you keep it in your Community/Region.

I am not sure how I will keep the balance so that not just everyone becomes an Anarcho Capitalist to make a quick buck in upvotes. I mean I just joined Leo and I am guessing 99% of the Lions would join that camp.

I have had the idea of just making me King of the community because atm I think Monarchy is a really undervalued form to manage things. I will call my new King Account Tobias Lionheart and I will back it with my Silver - die Kronjuwelen. Not sure where I am going with this... but any idea on how to balance the communities and wars is welcome.

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Nice, that you tolerate the intolerant, but there are many people out there who tolerate only their own opinion!
Anyway I wish you many success with this project!

I know, but somebody has to break the cycle. And there is a real market demand for an open platform where its OK to debate things that are not politically correct.

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Not sure if it would be better suited for a game than for a tribe but I hope you can progress on this project.
@friendlymoose there is 50 hive for your artistic talents ;)

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Hey! Thanks for the mention. I'll look into it!

I personally dont browse politics anymore because it has became so dreadful with no interface for trending topics in the realm of politcs. So I have to kindly disagree ;)

Thank you very much for tagging your artsy friend!

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I don't know if this is something you had in mind @thatgermandude...
warzonepolotics.png

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I like it, the only issue I have it is that the War is too much in focus and politics too little, I should have updated it in this post because I already wrote that in a separate post for the contest , sry for the late input

Thank you very much for being the first to participate tho!

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No problem. I could put the capitol in it. Then you have war and politics in one 😂

I'll see if I have some time to adjust it in the next couple of days...

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yeah, the capitol is a really good symbol for politics and fits the picture. I am just afraid people might think we want to initiate a Coup d'etat (which secretly I actually do want :D).

Would love to see a 2.0 if you can find the time!

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warzonepolotics2.png

I've added the capitol and changed colour of the word the Politics to red to emphasize
the two words.

There are other communities on Hive.

I am really new on Hive but I think AENEAS communty talks about politics.
Maybe you should check it.

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Well, I asked around for a UI for politics not just communities... guess I should have done that... ^^*

I will check them out, thanks for the hint!

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I think they have already they own interface but I never use it or open

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sry but I cant find them, the hive navigation with its communities is much different to old Steemit and I hate it, part of the reason I want a new UI.

Can you link me some of their content, please?

On a "meta level," what you suggest certainly makes sense!

Politics is a clearly defined niche, much like Crypto and Investing is a nicely defined niche for LeoFinance.

At this point, I am only familiar with @politicalhive which doesn't have its own front end, but just a community: https://hive.blog/created/hive-179804 which I believe was dreamed up by @holovision. However, they DO have their own hive-engine "Payment Token" (symbol: PAY) which has occasionally showed up in my wallet, but I don't really understand its criteria for distribution. But they've been around a while, and it was a "transfer" from Steem back in the spring.

It's definitely a topic that could use it's own structured community, but I have no idea how you'd encourage a community culture that results in anything but a round-the-clock verbal brawl.

But I wish you much success with the endeavor!

=^..^=

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well half of the communities posts is @cyberdemon531 , and while I dont mind her, she hates my guts and doesnt like debating with the opposite political spectrum. Its a shame she is actually the only politics content creator I followed for some time when I arrived at hive.

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I occasionally write also about politics, unfortunately the search function on Hive is not the best. There are many others, hidden in different communities like DACH, Deepdives, etc.

It's a great idea, very apt token name too, given the topic!

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I've been begging for this since they announced tribes. The secret to success with that is no downvoting or it will become a warzone and nobody will be able to earn the token.

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I am not sure I understand you correctly. I actually want to make downvoting more popular to have some scarcity in the Token.

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But downvotes have not only to do with the 2nd layer token, but reduce both overall post rewards (in Hive) and reputation.

yeah, I am actually worried about the consequences of reputation loss, which is why I suggested seperating the Token downvote from the Hive downvote.

Is reputation loss still that bad tho? I remember it hiding all your posts and comments but I think thats no more the case, is it?

Not sure, I think if a post has a negative reward, it is still hidden.
I certainly would avoid for my posts getting downvoted, because I do no shitposts (a pic plus 2 sentences).

shitposts (a pic plus 2 sentences).

I actually love to do that sometimes, but I outsourced it to Steemit since I know that the Lions wouldnt really appreciate me shitposting in the LeoFinance Tag. But shitposting is life :3 and short posts/memes/one-liners are a part of politics in my book.