Further community incubation thoughts and possible plans

in OCD4 years ago

Looking at the recent stats of the OCD Community Incubation update and knowing that next time @dalz is also going to provide activity statistics, meaning we'll also be seeing amount of unique authors posting and commenting in said communities and how the incubation has/is affecting it. We recently gave away a lot of engage to engaging users that the community nominated and many of the community leaders and curators in our incubation who wanted some, so we're hoping that will have a visible affect on engagement. Of course this kind of counts as "buying" engagement, but I guess incentives are what make the world go round and something at the base layer of hive that has always existed there. Those who really don't want to engage won't lose out on anything more than they are now, but nothing wrong with rewarding those who do especially after the EIP curve tax change that makes rewarding engagement and very short form content a bit harder by penalizing your voting strength.

Another idea I recently had, mainly due to looking at the Feathered friends community and the amazing tipping activity by @melinda010100 is to also encourage community leaders & curators to use the awesome tipping feature provided by @peakd that makes it so easy to tip to posts and comments. To beat the curve tax mentioned above I thought a good way to do this would be to encourage community leaders who already write curation reports which they share with their curators and team members, to set aside part of those rewards and use them for tipping.

One easy way to do so would be to set a beneficiary to @reward.app which only takes 1% fee of the author rewards but returns liquid rewards instead. A curation report could set 20-30% of the beneficiary to that account and we'd give it a bit higher vote instead to make up for it.

The vote would of course depend also on the size of the community and activity, the team members could decide themselves how they want to distribute it with the communities growth and engagement in mind.

Another thing with the OCD community which I posted recently about that we're about to "revive" and guide users posting content that could fit better in the communities we're now support is that, when being told not to post there many seem to get overly defensive, not realizing we're asking them to do so for the health of the platform in mind. One user even unvoted our witness over this which is kind of funny.
So I'm thinking instead of curating those posts and leaving them a comment letting them know where their posts could fit better in, instead maybe we could put aside some tips for those so that if they want the curation they can instead post in the niche community relevant to their content. If they also want the visibility the OCD community would bring, cross-posting is now visible on hive.blog too so they'd just have to use peakd.com to cross-post onto OCD.

Anyway, just some thoughts I had and figured I'd pick your brain on what you think about it or if you have any better solutions or additions, would appreciate feedback!

Another thing I've been pondering about is onboarding initiatives, we did an experiment a while back but I think leaving it for "anyone to participate" may leave too big of a window for abuse. Will be posting about some solutions on that soon and I'd appreciate your opinions there as well.

I realize some people may think "oh you're trying to raise engagement without being engaging yourself" and honestly, I wish I was in a position at the moment where I could use Hive the way I used it in my first year where I'd just curate and leave comments everywhere or the way I used Reddit for many years which was pretty similar to that. Really busy right now on a few other projects that will hopefully come to life soon and thinking of the best ways to make this platform healthier like the ideas above. Hopefully I can go back to my old ways soon and using Hive the way I most enjoyed it.


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I have found tips to be an excellent way to reward Featheredfriends Community members. I have used tips for a few years now to reward all entries into the Shadow Contest and now in the Shadowhunters Community. I use Ecency and transfer Hive to tipu to keep my tipping account full and then simply by typing the command !tip the person receives a tip from me. It has been a great way to give out rewards while I have tried to build my voting power.

Oh cool! So those also get added to the peakd interface? Didn't know!

Probably a great way to distribute the extra post rewards to community curators so they don't need to be logged on the community account with active key to do it and instead just use @tipu.

You're doing really great with the FF community, contests and tips drive engagement quite a bit and I'm hoping more communities will spend time doing it. What did you think of the idea in general?

What you have done for Community growth is quite phenomenal! You have no idea how your curation votes have impacted people. I see more effort being put into Feathered Friends posts as people begin to realize what it takes to receive an OCD vote.

You can do tips from any of the front ends by simply transferring Hive to tipu and then typing the command in your comment. And one of the best parts about tips is that they arrive immediately, you don't have to wait for the post to pay out. If I type the tip command as 'tip 3.0' the person receives 3 Hive instantly from me without me needing to do a wallet transfer. I check into tipu.online weekly to be certain I have enough Hive deposited to give out plenty of tips all week.

Getting people to use Communities appropriately will take time. Word will spread. Be patient. More posts from Community leaders explaining the best way to use Communities might help get more visibility.

I think there should be a pinned endorsement of the niche communities. There are a lot of "catch-all" and unused communities. For instance, I don't really know where it's best to post family blog posts... like for Dads. So I've been using man-cave, but it's more of a catch all kind of.

guide users posting content that could fit better in the communities we're now support is that, when being told not to post there many seem to get overly defensive, not realizing we're asking them to do so for the health of the platform in mind.

This has been an eye sore when browsing some potential communities to join in. Strangers joining a community without interacting and posting topics irrelevant to what the community wants to see.

Maybe some layer of verification done by the community mod/leader prior to seeing the post visible on the community page of peakd. It doesn't prevent the person from posting on the community page. It just adds a layer of protection from spammy posts being visible on the community page.

That is a problem in several communities. They are still a rather new concept and some are handling it better than others. Most of the communities have discord chat rooms available, I don't know how often they get used, and another way to support the community owners is when they make a ruling about a post not fitting the subject matter of the community, support their decision and avoid the *well you should make an exception for them they are new and didn't know".

I know @midlet caught a lot of flack for some actions and post he made for his On Chain Art community. People want community rules but they don't seem to think they apply to themselves. Now you can go to On Chain Art and see post that fit in the community and not a lot of spam, because he took care to get his community off the ground right from the start.

There are a few communities that are well managed, and if there is a particular one you are interested in, but it is a mess, ask to be a mod, and try to clean it up.

I agree so much. Well there is noone to clean and manage the communities other than ourselves. Some people just post something and that is it. Some are posting, engaging, and also trying to figure out how to develop the whole community. If everybody would do it, would be a whole different thing

Yes some just post what ever they want in what ever community seems to be having the larger payouts hoping they can catch one, and them crying when they get muted, or worse down voted, for not following community standards.

Yes, totally agree, well I think the rules should be simple. If you have what to post about, and the theme that fits too, you can. If no, them i guess it fits somewhere else, but not there. If you want to catch the bigger vote, just write about the right theme

This is why I feel like muting is such a nice feature in Communities. It hides the post without having to "attack" the user. The only downside is it's extremely time consuming to constantly be going through all the posts and cleaning.

I think the missing feature is having the communities be able to get a beneficiary cut with posts, so that when the community grows, the mod team can also grow and people can get paid a little something for their efforts.

OCD is trying their best to be a band-aid for that missing feature, but the current method doesn't really scale with the amount of activity in the community. It's a lot better than nothing though.

Maybe when they have hivemind all up and running and working in sync with hived the peakd crew can come up with a solution. They almost have hivemind done, and then HF24, and the foundation layer will be mostly complete for Hive Block Chain.

I think the missing feature is having the communities be able to get a beneficiary cut with posts, so that when the community grows, the mod team can also grow and people can get paid a little something for their efforts.

I think this one is a good idea but one could just set the community account as a beneficiary to their posts. Perhaps just making a reminder on a community page through a frontend would work, like a button of confirmation or that the user opted not to have the community have a share on their post reward.

The user could always decline the option but this one just raises awareness that there is an option to support their chosen community to engage in.

I can imagine the struggle @midlet went through cleaning. I used to be active almost two years ago when this blockchain didn't need to exist yet. The art tag was just a means to get more visibility with content that isn't remotely related to art.

I like OnChainArt the way it is now but I still think there are a lot of features that need to be improved such as incentives to post at the right communities for content related rather than methods that come off as punishment. I'm currently just being semi-active on the chain as real life priorities occupy a lot of my time. So far Hive has turned out to be way better than the other blockchain overall.

I think it will take a little time for people to adjust. At least with communities you can only post in one at a time unless that community allows for cross-posting. When some front ends went to allowing 10 tags, that kind of opened the floodgates to tag abuse and a devil may care attitude.

Perhaps after hivemind is fully up and running the community owners can get a system worked out that if their community tag is in the first 5 it is rejected. I have seen many communities trying to make the first five tags subject tags, and then you can call on the tribes and curation trails with the last five.

The organisation that has meant the rise of the niches is remarkable. The community leaders are working hard to strengthen themselves and it is a great motivation to receive support from their project.

On the other hand, it is necessary to look for ways to encourage commitment to content consumption, and reward is undoubtedly the most appropriate mechanism.

I recently participated in giving advice on the "Hive tips" project, which is great but a bit costly for anyone who wants to implement it. But if community leaders can create a fund with what you propose, it wouldn't be hard to think about that option.

There is that problem with what start as hobbies and become jobs, then become chores. Maybe take two days a week, (your weekend), and try moving back to the early days of how you used to use the block chain. Ass a long time shift worker, now retired, Monday and Tuesday made for excellent weekend days off.

when being told not to post there many seem to get overly defensive.

maybe is the way they are being told? i know the intentions behind the comments left on those posts are to help but a "hey your post about x subject and should be better posted on x community" could read better if were something like "Hey we are focusing on helping communities grow and here is a post that explains it all link to post, we think your posts could fit x community".

i think you guys are assuming people read but LOL a lot of them dont so they dont know about the community incubation project you are carrying and take the "please dont post here" comments the wrong way.

Let's bring interesting content... help me curate by tagging me. I will address it for sure!

One way to make HIVE protocol healthier is stop using Discord.

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Great initiatives @acidyo.

Of course this kind of counts as "buying" engagement, but I guess incentives are what make the world go round and something at the base layer of hive that has always existed there.

Fucking hilarious watching hive fall apart and turn to the dog shit steem clone criminal shelter for berniesanders it is. LOL. What a fucking joke this place is. :)


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bernie hasn't even active lately but good to know he has diehard haters who waste time with this

I'l be reading this some more!