POSH update

in OCD3 years ago (edited)

First off I want to apologize for the long delay in posh development. When we started @poshtoken out initially I wanted it to be as fair as possible for the users sharing their content outside of Hive and being rewarded for it. That meant no initial premine or team token allocation and with that said creating the token on Hive-engine it felt like it would already bring a lot of fees towards users depositing or withdrawing from that second layer. At the same time there's also costs involved with creating the token on hive-engine so we'll be waiting to see if other alternatives submerge or if the current existing fees are lowered in the near future before creating the token and airdropping all current holders who've earned POSH so far from sharing their hive links onto Twitter.

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Another reason for the delay was also that our main dev who did a great work on poshtoken so far has been busy with other things around Hive. Poshtoken is currently in the process of migrating development onto another dev, he won't either be working on it fulltime, but more often than the previous one. With this being a "community" token, meaning no one has any unfair advantage to a big chunk of tokens unless they've shared their posts and earned them fair and square, we will be continuing funding the development through post rewards on the daily @poshtoken distribution updates. We've discussed this internally that maybe it would be better to make a proposal through the DHF but at the time it seemed too small of a project to go through the hassle of doing that and at the same time now there's a lot of "bloat" on the DHF with the hbdstabilizer proposals. When the poshtoken project gets to a point where a lot more dev work will be required as we have some more plans on what to integrate to it next to make sharing links even more efficient and diverse, we will be considering a DHF proposal again.

Okay, here are now some plans on new additions to @poshtoken once the dev is up to speed on everything with it now and migration to the new dev is fully completed.

  • integrate keychain instead of just hivesigner as the latter has been kind of a hassle for new users.

  • integrate a "twitter login" option instead of having to verify your Twitter account with a tweet

  • Leaving messages on posts after the distribution has happened telling sharers how much @poshtoken they earned with their share
    or how much other sharers earned by sharing their post with the option of them opting out from these notifications. These may happen either as comments or memo's, both possible to opt-out from.

  • Leaving messages when someone else shares your post, to avoid bloat we will be editing into the same comment when there are more than 1 share of the same post by many people.

  • Idea to give beneficiary rewards to the person who shared the post so that when the author notices this they can reward the sharer automatically with an upvote on the comment. Percentages unclear as of yet but if part remains with posh it will be used for something other than paying for development work - possibly a poshtoken buyback system. This idea is still not 100% sure as it might remove the previous mentioned idea of editing in shares into the same comment due to spam. Community will be giving a chance to decide what they like more but we will respect users being able from opting out from these notifications altogether.

This part is something that may require a DHF proposal as it will take a lot more devtime, unless Hive goes up in value quite a bit until then and people don't mind the daily upvotes of the distribution posts knowing they'll be used 100% just to fund the development of the project. Reddit, Facebook as prime candidates but we'd also look at other platforms that give developers API access to make this possible.

Last, but not least, look for utility for POSH token. Just earning it by itself won't give it much value, but it having value is what will incentivize and keep people sharing their posts to bring more attention to our front-ends to other users from the outside. We've already been in talks with some platforms on Hive who could see people use POSH as a way to promote their posts on their front-ends, and this would kind of make sense, you earn posh mainly by promoting your Hive links onto other platforms so now you can promote your own posts on Hive platforms for possibly more visibility and curation.

Other than that we'd have to see of other ways to fund token buybacks, a big part of it could occur from donations in many ways such as direct tipping, delegations to @poshtoken where poshholders would get autovoted with. Beneficiary rewards being sent to @poshtoken for token buybacks, etc. Let's cross that bridge when we get there, we just have to be careful not to "promise" token buybacks as we don't want to risk of poshtoken becoming a security. Finding other kinds of utility for the token might be smarter.

Ending note, thanks to everyone who's participated in the @poshtoken distribution so far and has helped bring more attention to Hive on Twitter and bring more traffic to our front-ends and potentially a lot of new users. We'll try our best to make poshtoken more efficient to assist Hive on getting to as many eyes and ears as possible so they can find out what they've been missing out on.

You can easily register on the website right now: https://poshtoken.fbslo.net/ (requires hivesigner and a verification tweet)

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to avoid bloat we will be editing into the same comment when there are more than 1 share of the same post by many people.

That was one of my personal issues with this program and I'm glad to hear there's a solution that sounds exactly like what I had suggested. A comment section with 10k shares and counting is not something you'd want to walk into here if each share generated a new comment.

I do have another issue. I don't use this because I don't use Twitter. I could create an account though, then share my links. But who would I be sharing those links to? Nobody. So why should I get rewarded? It's only beneficial if I build up a potential audience/following, but then I'd have to spend all day on Twitter, where all the bad news hangs out, and that might push me over the edge. Or I might turn into one of those crazies that believes weird things that don't make sense. Or it might brainwash me into making decisions I wouldn't normally make, like buying a token that has nothing to do with Saturday Night Live, because some guy is going to be on Saturday Night Live. Wait. What was I talking about again?

OH yeah! Does this thing detect how large the outside following is and reward accordingly?

But who would I be sharing those links to? Nobody. So why should I get rewarded?

Start with your audience from Hive on Twitter. I’m on Twitter, I enjoy reading your posts, if I see it across my timeline I’ll be glad to share it with my followers...perhaps there will be others like me too...while you gradually build an audience.

It's more productive and the content reaches more eyes if the people enjoying my work would share it. That's how things go viral.

So open the account already

I'm personally not interested in Twitter.

Not sure why I never used to but I think I’ll start doing that from now, sharing your posts directly from here...

Content consumers sharing links to the outside, that concept, has been missing here on this platform the whole time. Normal content, typically of the entertaining variety, when it gets passed around, that's free marketing for the entirety of Hive, and the content doesn't even have to mention Hive or have anything to do with the platform. I've said this for years. Very few pay attention or see any significance in what I'm pointing out. Content creators sharing their links to the other content creators from here that they have on their Twitter does literally, nothing.

One of the main premises of poshtoken was to reward anyone sharing links on twitter of anyone, not just their own posts. As long as you have a Twitter audience and use tags well and get engagement there you earn poshtoken, it's not something the author would be against either way, I'm sure 99.9% of authors would welcome more readers.

You are not the only one in this line

Oh 🙋‍♀️ hi

Well, I get that..

The fact that you don't have a Twitter account is not a reason not to share your Hive stories ...

Nowhere, in anything I've said, does it say I'm against sharing content.

That was one of my personal issues with this program and I'm glad to hear there's a solution that sounds exactly like what I had suggested. A comment section with 10k shares and counting is not something you'd want to walk into here if each share generated a new comment.

@poshbot was the one leaving comments, my project. While a handful of people suggested combining them, I didn't agree as each one is a unique comment. They are not 'retweets' or as we would call it reblogs, they are actual unique Twitter posts that use the url, and should be considered a unique comment. In my opinion, I saw them the same as other comments, just on Twitter. I actually finished Reddit support as well but I am no longer running the @poshbot project.

Hmmm. Well. Thanks for letting me know. I remember we had a conversation about this now. I get confused sometimes. I'm still confused. I'll be fine.

There's quite some math behind the bot and how it distributes the daily tokens, more than many might think even, our current dev was surprised seeing some of the math behind it. Needless to say it's best to not be fully open about it to prevent abuse, it not being a real token and tradable yet has already prevented a lot of abuse.

Okay I'll shut up LOL!

lol, we've posted about them before but figured best to keep it hidden in the history where most won't be able to dig it up. Let's see how we can further develop the algo behind that, there's some interesting stuff one could come up with since it doesn't require to use the blockchain directly before calculating how to distribute the tokens. A mix of both followers and their following both on hive and twitter could be nice addition to include along with all other performance stats.

hallo, wie bekommt man den poshtoken?kann mir jemand helfen?

hiveposh.com

you register by signing up with twitter authentication and start earning posh when tweeting one of the main front-ends with a #hive tag included on twitter.

Like they use to say in a Nigerian slang, "you are doing well".

More great info. Upvoted and rehived

Really great information for new people 👍 appreciated

I love the idea and the vision behind @poshtoken. It's becoming a kind of circular economy. You get rewarded to promote Hive posts on other networks and use these rewards to promote your posts here :)

All kudos to @fbslo who did a marvelous job and good luck to the new dev(s).

I would add LinkedIn to the group of platforms that the token will cover. LinkedIn is a huge territory which was totaly untouched so far.

Personally, I share all my Hive posts on Twitter. I don't use it for anything else :)

I don't share my posts on Facebook since I avoid that platform as much as possible.

I will start sharing relevant posts on LinkedIn.

I will also share the posts from other authors on Twitter and not on LinkedIn.

I think these guidelines are suitable for most of us. If we are into the sharing game, of course.