I was having a chat with @fknmayhem this morning and mentioned how I find ti strange that there aren't more people on Hive, especially from the countries where small amounts can be significant. He brought up something that I didn't know actually happened, at least not in this way.
Free internet
Living in Finland, the government has made a provision that makes access to the internet a "right" and is guaranteed to some degree, even though the connection is not fast - I think it is 2 megs. This is enough for people to be able to do all of their basic internet stuff (like paying taxes) from home. However, most people do not use this provision, they have a mobile that runs 4/5G or a hardwired fiber connection - Finland being the home of Nokia and one of the most technologically educated countries on earth means, the connections are good and as far as I know, there are no caps on data usage and haven't been for many years.
Of course, this isn't the same everywhere.
The only gate
@fknmayhem was saying where he is currently living, data can be expensive and Hive is pretty data heavy. However, it is possible to get "free" subsidized internet which gives access to specific sites - namely, Facebook, Instagram, Messenger etc. What this means is that Facebook pays so that they can have essentially sole access to a userbase or more accurately, a customer base.
He also mentioned that government agencies have to publish their updates to social media as that is the only access people have to the internet. This is much like those casinos that have no windows, no clocks and a free buffet. While not quite a captured audience, it is one that is largely trapped through economic incentive and is also likely to miss the fact that there is no such thing as a free lunch.
Owned at any cost
It is a pretty incredible situation considering that a small handful of corporations (Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon) not only suck and sort the majority of data transferred on the internet, they also have the power to limit the access to what is likely to be seen. And, governments are enabling them. It is quite insane.
Knowledge is power because of how it is used, and these corporations have leveraged what they know very well indeed, as they have not only been able to segment their markets, they have been able to engineer the environment to ensure that they can control every aspect of it. Thinking how pivotal social media can be in the modern election process as well as social environments, a populace that only has access to the information served through a narrow gateway is at a very heavy risk of being manipulated into or out of action.
With government services pushing their own information through these same gateways, the incentive to skew views and therefore results is also very high, as what is up for grabs is near complete and unlimited power over the population. Control the publicly held narrative, control the public.
Aligned for misalignment
There are so many maligned incentives in regard to well-being when information distribution is centralized as it encourages more reliance and less responsibility over what is consumed. Through the power of AI algorithms, granular identification, segmentation and targeting can be implemented with ease and without noise, as there is no competition in the information market. It is an informational and state-sanctioned monopoly designed to influence the population in order to extract and drive as much value as possible up to the peaks.
In many ways it is a catch-22 situation as people can't afford access to the internet themselves, yet the access they do get limits their capabilities to earn for themselves - to own their experience. Instead, they are driven more and more into passive information consumption that drives them into active consumption of disposable goods and services that have little or no potential to generate personal value.
And when things get bad enough, these same gateways will be used to mobilize populations to whatever ends an authority chooses, and that authority is likely going to be - the highest bidder.
Taraz
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Things get even worse when you look at the actual offers. The telcos only whitelist the specific URLs for FB and YT, so on FB those users can only read the headlines, they cant access any link they click. That’s only possible with paid data.
It’s a populist’s and demagogue’s dream.
:/
The world that we have created is crazy.
It's crazy to realize that this beautiful new thing, the www: the information highway, access to knowledge for everyone, became the most powerful dumbing tool in less than 25 years since its creation.
I guess you dont necessarily mean to say this because of Telco's filtering content, or only whitelisting some content and services. In countries where filtering is not allowed and happening, I see a growing group of people who just believe whatever a group of people are shouting about, ie Fake news become Reality very quickly. This shows how stupid people are in fact. How little the mass question what they get served. That is what worries me the most. We want to be free and at the same time we simply follow those who shouts the loudest without questioning.
Anything I publish online I mean to say and want to express.
The internet was an amazing thing and well-meant and has been hijacked from us for malicious manipulation. Irrelevant whether by state operators, marketing crews, or tinfoil hats.
I fully stand behind that statement and I will fight until I die for everyone to understand how algos manipulate. This is a general issue not a country specific problem. The Netherlands get as dumbed down by FB as they got by Veronica TV.
Fact.
Agree! Nice touch the reference with Veronica TV. Fact is: This is what the mass wants, since without the mass going for Veronica TV, all the shit shows now on TV, or mass adoption of FB, there would be no Veronica TV, shit shows, or FB. Therefore one can argue the case: Because of the mass wanting to be stupid, we have all these services; Not the other way around. Thats how I look at things. I meant to say: people want to be manipulated therefore we have services that manipulates people. Therefor we may need to blame people instead of the services itself :)
I can imagine the Telco's act like this for money reasons, ie they filter traffic in order for companies like Facebook to be whitelisted when they pay money to be whitelisted. Other, smaller companies dont have the money to pay for such, therefore they keep blacklisted. I remember back in the days when I was in the Telco industry the paid internet access was under discussion in ALL countries in the world; All Telco's including Vodafone, Orange, T-Mobile etc etc wanted to be able to charge for internet services bundles, ie Social Media bundle, Banking bundle etc etc. Many western countries created rules against internet filtering, therefore we dont see those offerings in eg Europe. But a rich country like Dubai, has the filtering offering. They even filter all the chat apps like WhatsApp. The only way to use VoIP and data chat app, is by paying for the incumbent VoIP/chat app of the Telco operators. In Dubai this is all about money/revenues for the Telco and much less to do with controlling information flows and public. I have the feeling (I dont have proof) this is the same for many other countries minus a few.
Plenty of bandwidth here, that's not the issue. Quite some of the available bandwidth also coming from FB undersea cables project.
The main issue: only two telcos so no competition. They're BFFs instead and rather than a race to the bottom they maintain a healthy baseline. Also, the local telco oversight commission is populated for a majority of ex-telco directors.
Additionally, like any third world or development nation this is a dual SIM phones country.
Promos... Free FB/YT defines the network the poor buy SMS credits for. Which defines with whom they KYC (old school ID verification) for mobile money transfers (only Kenya transfers more money via mobile). Which defines the network almost the whole family prefers.
Free FB/YT are loyalty strategies for when those people eventually can get a postpaid plan. Which happens a lot nowadays since we are a development nation, actually even were a tiger economy until after some years of Duterte.
Lastly, Philippines always were one of the leading social media countries. Pioneers preceded only by Nigerian users in early adoption numbers.
yea, seen all this as well. that makes me to conclude its more a money thing then to withhold public from information. in Nigeria many run around with 3 to 4 mobiles. they use whatever is the cheapest at time of day, day of week, or even location. even in Netherland we've seen price agreements between telco's years ago, eg with SMS service, like in many other countries, the prices where kept really high between all the telco's, it was for them a goldmine... though a goldmine they needed to keep since profits on voice calling was already negative for a long long time.
Here it's pure money strategy.
When more than half a decade ago Vodafone, as foreign company, was given authorization to assess the market and a small size telco (critical utility) four days later that telco was acquired by the largest local operator. You don't get on their turf, you may cost them money. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The data filtering happens on FB's end, but of course can be nudged to filter some gov opponents out by showing gov agencies and "spokes people" more. FB is much closer to any Administration than any private entity should be (read link I dropped in reply to Romanian commenter).
Government and private companies shall not be closest at all, I think a big wall needs to be in between. But we allow unlimited growth of companies, therefore we allow companies to at least influence government, and even worse, drive regulations and laws. I'm a big opponent of free growth to be honest. Free market is fine up to a certain limit. Last decade we see what free market can do.
Certainly FB is close to governments, I do agree. Especially with government where FB wants to gain market share and where they can win a lot, like in countries where they offer free internet. None of this will happen when government won't allow this, so deals are made. FB is not its own though. They whole media is kinda controlled by others, than the media channel owners and managers. This could be advertisers, this could be homeland security, this could be any stakeholder. I'm subscribed to a advertisement free journalist platform paying 60 Euro/yr, mostly to support them since I dont use the service too much. When they launched, they grown a lot in a very short time, but since the initial rapid growth hardly any subscriber uptake. They stuck at around 60k users in NL. I guess a mini minority wants to 1) pay for news 2) news independent from the forces of those who pay for the news, advertisers. The rest wants all for free, but this goes with a huge cost, namely news and information filtering by default. We all know the later; But we dont want to change the system. In NL we could, we could en mass subscribe to De Correspondent (they have an English version also, The Correspondent), and stop buying the trash newspapers and stop watching the sh*t sponsored news shows, and move away from FB; But by far the majority doesn't change although they know what this means for them.
Tbh De Correspondent are tech luddites. :D
Which is surprising given that one of their founders was also a co-founder of The Next Web.
That is also why the Philippines has the most number of subscribers in VPN apps, free uncapped data offers or even unauthorized tunneling. It's a total fcked up when it comes to internet access but I hope DITO or NOW, the third telco will rearrange and solve these issues.
Internet and data is expensive in South Africa compared to other countries. We have gone for a very expensive package as we run gaming, normal internet and internet tv off it. This costs more than $100 each month and though it sounds reasonable is out of the reach of many. Basic packages are cheaper but then they all use it for face book.
I learned about the Telco's in one of your neighbouring countries (almost neighbour, Angola), when they needed more money, they increased the prices of the subscription and prepaid service with 10% and only saw a loss of 1% of subscribers. The played this game over and over. This made Telco service very expensive over time, and mostly used by the 'elite'.
That is what happens. They don't understand that if they cheapened the price they would increase their business by far more. I always compare these things to a gold fish bowl where if you lose a goldfish the remainder have to pay the overall price even though their is less fish in the bowl. Many businesses do this and somehow they get away with it.
Yea, free market is not always driving everything in the right direction. Could also have to do with they earning enough money from the few top customers, and dont want to spend too much money in the business itself to be able to handle many low paying customers.
What's the situation for people living in townships? Prepaid mobile data? $2/week on average? $5?
I just asked my maid that question. She spends around $5 week for chatting and checking emails. Data is very expensive currently and those that use the internet spend at least double that. I am on a corporate package so don't really know the costs myself. 1GB is around $5 currently.
Whoa! That's insane.
So for a majority of people in townships Hive would be unaffordable, rather than them being the exact audience we would all expect to flock to sites like this because a buck can make a difference.
Thanks for asking btw!
Yes currently looking at it like that. If Hive is not Data friendly then they couldn't really afford it. Only the ones that are working in an office or have access to a computer at work will be tempted.
!ENGAGE 30
That was the angle from which I approached my initial reply to Taraz: the unbanked and poor people for whom any regular earning could be meaningful.
And there’s billions of those.
Data prices need to drop before that happens. I think the first step is to target the ones just above them who could afford to get going. The $5 or $10 would be needed to be spent over a month at least in order to see a return meaning a $20 -$40 investment.
ENGAGEtokens.I wonder if it is possible to have a stripped down version?
It is a consumer decision again, where most will choose pure entertainment most of the time.
I think if they knew that they could earn $ they would. many are desperate and earning even $20 a month is huge. My maid has seen what I have done and yet she hasn't asked once if and how she can get on Hive. Let me ask her as I haven't done that yet as that would be an interesting answer. She just smiled and said Yes. She said she is serious as she would like to try lol. Maybe an experiment is required here.
Definitely worth an experiment and perhaps a little support to get up and running. :)
That is easy on my part lol. Will try and give it a go and then she can give feedback. Wouldn't take much to teach her as she is fairly smart and has two other sideline businesses so not a normal maid.
Yes, but stripped down may not be what you imagine.
For mobile data since I think 2013 you can buy data for specific apps only (only most popular ones). Obviously, that is a ridiculously bad deal for people in most cases.
And it totally undermines net neutrality too.
What I wonder is if there was an interface that gave a low data optimization option.
One of the two telcos runs a data optimizing VPN app for Android phones. Doesn’t strip ads out tho, and in an early version even introduced its own ads bar at the bottom because that’s what you do as a corporation, right.
Tbh data here is “cheap” compared to many African countries and Central and Southern American countries. Less than half the price compared to many countries. Still expensive to millions tho. We have plenty of available bandwidth here, more than enough to give those 30-50 million poor and/or unbanked citizens 1GB FB traffic every day.
I’m surprised no Venezuelan or Nigerian Hiver shared their local situation yet.Data here in my country (Philippines) is to expensive, around $2.00 good po three days and that $2.00 is equivalent to 2 1/2 kgs. rice which is good for 1 week for an average person.
Using hive is is really expensive, and not all users will make money daily knowing money thing. Therefore, instead of buying data for three days, they rather choose a handful of rice and go Facebook where each user is given 1 GB of data for free in daily basis.
Yep, this is what I heard. I completely understand making the financial choice, but I also think that in time it is going to get quite scary when most people have only been exposed to Facebook information.
Yes sir, Facebook information is like a cancer to society, it grows to kill the humanity with it's fake news. Data is expensive but it is more expensive not knowing the truth.
I actually wasn't aware about the data cost in the Philippines since I'm based in Australia! I had assumed it wasn't a problem since Hive is alive in the Philippines.
Previously @SteemPh we rebranded, consolidated all our resources and accounts and moved to @HivePh.
We're actually working on strengthening our community at the moment by encouraging everyone to power up and increase their hive stake.
https://peakd.com/hive-188409/@hiveph/hive-ph-power-up-challenge-starts-now
We are definitely around!
Remember that depending on the amount of statistical juggling done, 30-50 million Filipinos fall below poverty level. Which is set at less than US$1.4/day (with sufficient juggling by gov at below $1.2 even).
And minimum wage in the capital is currently around $130, which includes food allowances and de facto travel expenses. Only one breadwinner in many households/families.
But trike drivers and jeepney drivers take home less than minimum wage. Working often 12-14hrs long days. A trike driver banks net around $1.7/day.
😱 I had some idea but I didnt realise it was that bad over there.
Crypto boom of 2017 we had a lot of Filos active on the blockchain but as prices plummeted so did our numbers.
What we did learn from the past is that we needed to be able to support each other as a community thus the push for everyone to power up right now.
I know prices arent great at the moment but Hive is far more promising than Steem ever was and I think a lot of people can see that.
C19 lockdown is contributing to the recent resurgence of Filipino bloggers coming back as well.
Knowing the numbers makes me even more determined to create a community that can support itself on hive.
One of the biggest problems in crypto, especially for platforms like these, is that we talk a lot about the unbanked but we don't talk a lot to them. Given the data cost situation, and in PH it's cheap compared to other countries as you can see in this thread, you need to be able to make them more than 1HBD/day for there to be an actual return they can notice in their weekly budget.
The savings, stake, should not be counted. 1/13th is not truly tangible and counting that in also defeats the longterm goal of onboarding them. But also gotta remember every exchange takes a little cut, then there's the transfer fee when sending to coins.ph or bitbit (limited options and both BTC and ETH are rather expensive currently, BCH and XRP are not common trading pairs), then they need to pay a (usually fix) fee on the padala outlet they get their real life pesos from.
Requires a solid community, or support of a decent orca, to make that a reality on a daily basis for everyone.
Im actually talking to them now on our discord server trying to figure out the figures.
And youre right, data cost over there is cheaper. 1000php for a month unlimited whereas I pay 100aud a month unlimited. but then minimum wage, etc needs to be factored in.
I understand what youre saying about the stake but like you said we need support from an orca - which we dont have so staking is a way for us to slowly build our community wealth and our way of building that solid community you speak of.
Gotta start somewhere.
If you can get a wired connection the cost is relatively awesome. US$ 35 for unlimited 20Mbps fiber too. We have plenty of bandwidth available (old undersea cables, the Singapore-Japan ultrafast connection, and an almost as fast FB undersea cable).
But most people in lower earnings bracket are on prepaid mobile data. We’ll get there, eventually.
!ENGAGE 50
ENGAGEtokens.We've been watching a beautiful demo of this for the last few months, haven't we? And it's one thing to mobilize people to immobilize themselves but quite another to make them be active and spend muscle energy to some effect. I haven't seen that one...yet.
Pretty much everything encourages becoming less active physically, socially and mentally - the road to illness appears very attractive.
Like you, I tend to forget how gruesome data acquisition is in some parts of the world. Just here, Mexico and the Navajo Nation are horribly underserved. Even expensive data through a cell connection isn't available.
Is there hope for 'outside the box' connection? Elon Musk's starlink promises cheap and available high speed internet. His plan is to pay for the have nots through the haves in the world. At least that's his stated position. Make it cheap and reliable for the 'paying customers' and free to the underserved world. I'm skeptical.
A couple of years ago I was somewhat involved in a 'Venezuela Project' that curated posts from undervalued creators from Venezuela where even a dollar a day was the difference between eating and not. Far as I know almost all of them were strangled off the 'free internet.' A couple of them managed to escape, the rest were just ground into submission.
6 billion people on earth. It's amazing the small percentage that has access to unfiltered internet. I guess the beat goes on.
Elon can keep his space trash and stick it in his Boring tunnels. Haven't we learned enough yet from all trash we produce, and all damage it causes, to next repeat the same behavior in space... just because there was an economical great idea behind. Yes, that was also how plastic was pitched.
I agree. I'm really skeptical. The idea of internet service for all is enticing but already the light pollution from the starlink satellites is a problem here in Arizona. Not often considered, but we have 3 really famous and serviceable telescope installations that are already comprimised.
Yes, there's that too. Unless they change the locations the starlink sats will also interfere with several more of the strongest telescopes in the world.
It was a great idea but we know enough to decide "this probably isn't the solution, let's ditch it".
!ENGAGE 30
ENGAGEtokens.I don't put a lot of faith in corporate goodwill, but who knows, one day someone will just say "screw it" and do the right thing. Most people even when they aren't completely crushed, will choose entertainment over something of substance as it offers less mental, physical and emotional resistance.
Corporate goodwill is, in my experience, primarily used up on the shareholders.
Corporate goodwill in 2020 is (careful) hashtag PR. Make a statement about any hashtag that shocked people and went viral, but don't really commit to any values you will uphold.
It is because of this that I am hoping that we can all become shareholders.
Hive is actually data heavy. I have bought data about two times in 4 days. The average cost of data in my country is about $1.5 for 1gb of data and i still restrict my data usage. I dont do videos and all. Two megs is actually fast, i only get that speed at night
One of the drawbacks of never having a decent wired system in many parts is that one is reliant on mobile, which is easier to restrict.
Thats the problem we face in nigeria... first no steady electricuty in my country. So anything that requires electricity cannot work
Here in serbia it is not that bad if you can use "land" internet. if you go to mobile data, after few GB it gets insane. there are some options that give you 100gb mobile "home" internet for 15-20Eur with good speed. Where you have cable internet, speeds are not greatest but for 15-20 eur you get unlimited data for a month.
I never thought hive would be data heavy. maybe photos? i seen years ago that Opera had data saving option for mobile browsing. never used it, so no idea how it works.
I was hammered by costs when I was in Serbia last year - I am used to being "in Europe" :D
I don't know how to check it, but it is pretty heavy from my understanding. I think it is because it reloads pretty much everything each time.
you know what is the first thing we do when we get close to the border?
we turn of mobile internet :D my friend got 150 eur bill for one day in Slovakia. forgot to turn of mobile data transfer in roaming.
Best thing is buying local sim card and get few GB internet for 3-5 eur.
Ha! We don't have TV , or any other streaming programs on our limited Internet and we can also maybe watch one, or two short videos here on the Hive posts. I try to avoid videos, as they chew data.
Our package "Cell C" is the cheapest in South Africa and we have to keep a tight rein on our usage, else we run out of data.
Such is life!
When I lived in Australia I had to be more careful - here, there is no limits on it at all so it is easy. Back in the day, I was designing websites in Oz and we had to optimize heavily for low data limits and for speed. European and US pages would take an eternity to load.
Ah! So you know what I am talking about.
They are now busy digging trenches all over the place to lay fiber cables and everyone is talking about the uncapped and speed of fiber, but the prices are again way beyond our fireplace.
We have a small wireless, mobile modem and we buy a 200 Gig package for Marian to lecture and mark her students. She has on average 200 students per term and communicates with each individual student.
I piggy back on the system and that's why we have to be very careful with the data.
Everything free comes with some sort of Terms and Conditions and that is called Net Neutrality.
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Yo tengo poco tiempo activa en HIVE, inicie el año pasado en STEEMIT, pero me toco dejarla, en Venezuela tenemos conexión de CANTV que es una empresa del estado, se cancela 0,25$ al mes, es súper lento, pero con ello logro navegar. Lamentablemente el servicio es intermitente, en aquel momento me quede sin servicio de CANTV por algunos meses y fue imposible pagar una empresa privada que en promedio mensual serían unos 10$, mucho dinero tomando en cuenta que el sueldo promedio de un profesional en el país son 15$ mensuales (sueldo mínimo 2$). Conozco muchas personas interesadas en esta red social, pero además el CANTV es un privilegio para algunas zonas, mi familia por ejemplo vive en una zona rural y no tienen acceso al internet con esta empresa. Entonces se plantean este dilema “invierto 10$ en una empresa privada para publicar en HIVE sin saber si mis publicaciones serán bien valoradas o los gasto en alimentos”. Realidades.
Yes, I understand that it is quite an issue in many places and unfortunately, there is very little that can be done without changing the system. The problem is that the more who pay for the service at the higher prices, the higher prices will go.
I was wondering, is there a way to share connections?
Si te refieres al wifi, sí. En mi calle soy de las pocas que tiene servicio de CANTV, yo les di la clave a mis vecinos, pues pago muy poco por el servicio, y no pierdo nada al ellos conectarse porque es ilimitado. Claro, cuando se me va el servicio de CANTV debo pagar a una empresa privada y allí si no lo comparto por lo costoso y no es ilimitado.
I've been visiting many countries in my life, including many in what we call: 3rd world countries on African and Asian continent. All these countries have very limited internet bandwidth. The governments don't have the money to invest in public internet access, or simply are to corrupt and spend the money they receive on other things, but providing internet. Facebook and others jumped in and provide this free internet access. Like the Chinese jumped into telecoms in African continent already more than 15 years ago financing everything for a new telco, including licenses etc (ie companies like Huawei acted as banks sponsored and guaranteed by the Chinese government). Free market makes all this happen. Last time I was on Africa continent, I experiences super slow internet in one of the best hotels of Lagos (Nigeria). Last time I was in countries like Laos, most of the time I could not take care of my email, let alone I could get somewhere with my internet browser. South American continent is different. Most governments/countries enjoy free WIFI at many public parks and other public places. Also poor countries, and some to more of them, also with corrupt government, but somehow these governments decided to connect their own with the internet through these free services. Interestingly, these countries do more business with European countries (Spain, Portugal mainly) due to language barriers. If that has something to do with it, I dont know, but the differences are quite large between South America on one side, and Africa and parts of Asia on the other side.
I remember the push from China into Africa about 20 years ago when they were sending teachers and doctors by the thousands to various areas, while they surveyed the land. They rightly predicted that pretty soon, they themselves would have to outsource production and in order to do that, they need an adequately educated and healthy workforce. They don't necessarily need them informed.
Perhaps one day, there will be a solution that can be developed and provided without state involvement.
Its even worse than what you say. Much of the fertile land is bought by Chinese, and worked on by Chinese, and the food goes straight to China. The locals can view all of this through fences build around these Chinese farms. Some of these farms are having a hotel to accomodate the relatives of the workers when coming for vacation. The government officials say: Chinese are good for us, they bring infrastructure to our countries. But in the end the Chinese are doing the same the Europeans did for a few 100s of years; Robing the continent empty for own profits. Ok, this now sounds a bit black/white, but this is kinda what happens in many African countries at the moment.
I can believe it. I would say that other countries than China are also doing the same or are involved, just not able to go to the same scale of operations.
Oh this is new information for me. If people would be aware of this and "consume" the information accordingly, their thoughts might change. This gets me back to communism from my country Romania, where the TV programs and all the information was censored to the dictator's wishes.
The era of dictatorial Internet. Only instead of only one, there are many. Chewing from the juicy meaty bone of mass manipulation.
Here you go: What Happens When a Government Turns Facebook into a Weapon.
It is a rather long essay about the situation as happened Philippines when Rodrigo Duterte was elected and in his first year, fighting a leading journalist. Since that essay his attacks on Maria Ressa have gotten only worse, much driven by a mob of internet trolls too. TIME did elect her as one of their People of the Year because of this whole situation.
Trolls or state actors, these days I generally suspect the latter.
In Duterte's case they were both hired "trolls" and passionate volunteers.
In the Philippines "professional troll", meaning a social media person/blogger operating with a client agenda, goes back to as early as a 2011 interview by a then still relevant media outlet. Now owned by a biz friend of Duterte.
A lot of blame goes to Russian farms nowadays but the locals here definitely also generate more than respectable output volumes in that fake news industry. Low wages, highly skilled in social media.
Even Pope likes Duterte. Lol. Trolling at another level. It is all financial. People like Ressa will not get protection because they don't bring as much money as their opponents. I believe the matter is handled strictly on monetary terms, ignoring fairness and the voice of reason
I will give it a read, thank you😊
If it doesn't get changed soon, it is going to be a long era
I agree...unfortunately
Cost of internet in Nigeria is generally expensive and usually has a cap. I pay 5000 naira($12)for 30GB worth of data but that's because of a promo from th network provider(MTN). The standard charge is actually 5000 for 15GB, and that barely lasts two weeks. When you consider that minimum wage here is about 35,000naira, it means you're spending a healthy Chunk of your income on internet.
I'm actually in an "elite" group by the way, because only middle class to upper class pay that exhorbitant amount for internet.
The only reason why the cost of internet doesn't bother me is because I fortunately earn regularly from the crypto hustle, so the internet pays for itself.
It is rather interesting how people remain in intentional ignorance to the potential of the internet. Many people talk big about earning from the internet but few are ready to attempt to, even when it is absolutely free of charge.
That is indeed a healthy chunk of the average income. Thanks for adding the info.
With decent skills and hustle, I know quite a few who are definitely in the plus side overall and hopefully if they have managed to save a bit along the way, they will benefit later from what they hold too.
so that mean my internet is cheapest. I am paying 49$ per year for 10 mbps unlimited. And everything is fine such as streaming, downloading and surfing.
That's cheap indeed, where you from?
That is super cheap, where are you? if you want to tell.
I pay about 30€ a month on my house connection for a 4G 100M - and about the same on my phone for a 200M connection. All are unlimited.
I am from gujarat, india friends. And yes mobile data is expensive here as well. But some companies like tiger broadband and GTPL providing cheap internet service in my area.
In Singapore, for me, it is SGD39.90 per month for 1GBPS no limit fibre internet. Upvoted!
Is that cheap or expensive?
For me, it is quite affordable as it is only a small percentage of my pay.
Sure, internet access is a thing, but are you sure this is the main reason of not many people joining HIVE?
There is waaaaay more problems than that, and i think it this would be a really good time for those with influence around here start get off their pedestals, and start to understand these problems for real...
I never said it was the main reason, but it definitely influences people from countries where Internet access is restricted.
#PoSh pushed
The bird is cool, I like that.
Excellent.
Internet is sooooo expensive in Nigeria
We live in a crazy world, I just heard the sound of my data getting low while reading this. In Nigeria, its tough. Not only is the data cost, its not totally guaranteed to be trusted, so its best to have more than one Mobile operator. Surely it will go a long way with Free internet in some countries, towards much more exporesure. Not only on Hive, but The Internet as a whole.