If you could write a letter to HIVE owners on exchanges, what would you say?

in #hivesalesletter3 years ago (edited)

I have given some thought lately to how we could motivate more HIVE owners currently holding their tokens on exchanges to move those funds to their own Hive accounts and power up.

In that regard, I thought it would make sense to brainstorm, as a community, what we would write such people as a sales letter for why they should do so.

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If you were to write a sales letter to the people owning HIVE on an exchange, what would you tell them?

It was recently brought to my attention, that while some 42% of the existing HIVE supply (excluding the DHF) is held on exchanges, while the same number is only 13% for Bitcoin. And while HIVE is probably best compared with other alt coins, it doesn't change the fact that this is a neat KPI to look at and work to improve.

At the end of the day hive is mostly purchased to speculate on it (like 99.9% of all cryptos). More than 42% of the available supply (total supply minus the DAO) is on exchanges. For example bitcoin only has ~13%...that is a big difference.

Quote by @onthewayout as a comment in response to Blocktrade’s post: 8th update of 2021 on BlockTrades work on Hive software.

Motivation

Reducing this percentage figure would be beneficial to Hive for many reasons:

  1. Less selling pressure
  2. More governance participation, decentralization and security.
  3. More participation and activity on chain, support for dApps, and feedback on direction
    To name a few....

And I think pitching Hive and Hive Power this way makes even morse sense now when there's likely to have been thousands of new HIVE owners thanks to the recent pumps who likely do not know a whole lot about the token they've just speculated on.

Impact on price

The first is probably the most obvious. With less HIVE on exchanges, it is less susceptible to selling pressure. Having more people invested for the long term instead will benefit the value of the token directly. So convincing more HIVE owners who hold their tokens on an exchange, who likely have close to no idea of what they can do with those tokens as Hive Power on chain (I know I've personally held dozens of alts as pure speculation with very little knowledge myself).

Impact on governance and security

Second, we've heard the frustrations recently of a few accounts having too much influence on governance and the DHF in particular. Additionally, the upcoming fork is implementing a governance vote delay when powering up as a mechanism primarily to defend the chain against sudden power up done by exchange accounts as happened on Steem.

Having more HIVE moved from exchanges to wallets and powered up would help in both regards. And is imo a much more productive and result-oriented strategy.

Improved ecosystem activity and contributions

Third, having more token holders active on chain gives more life to the ecosystem. This can happen directly through having more users using the sites and dApps, but also by getting more user/investor feedback and having more potential dApp and/or Tribe investors beyond their potential Hive Power delegations.

This can all make it more attractive to start communities and dApps in our ecosystem, which again makes it more attractive to stake tokens and participate, creating a positive cycle.

Is this a perfect community goal?

I think this could be a perfect “community goal” to collectively strive towards and track our progress on. To start with, we could see if we could bring the percent of tokens held on exchanges down to let’s say 30% over a year?

Nobody should be better at making this pitch than the ones who are already deciding to own HIVE as Hive Power. After all, we’ve made this decision ourselves and continue to make it every day we stay powered up.

So let’s do that!

Room for a community competition?

I would love to see a community #challenge to write the best "sales letter" to a HIVE owner on exchanges. One could simply imagine that we were getting Huobi to email this to their users with HIVE in their wallets on their exchange (something they asked us if we wanted to do back when we first got listed, but afaik we never found the time or capacity to do).

What would you write them, in one page, to encourage or convince them to move their tokens to a Hive wallet and to power up?

  • Be informative, but also short and efficient.
  • List what you see as the benefits of owning Hive Power. With a short sentence or two explaining it.
  • Include both the potential for a positive return on investment, but also the excitement of being part of building and growing something with big potential.

I would like to encourage people like @theycallmedan, or curation accounts like @ocdb to either take the lead for such a competition or to curate good submissions made to it (a tag like #hivesalesletter would make sense).

Personally, I would love to read them and to perhaps compile the best parts I find into a "best practice" example that I would use myself as a go-to source for an effective and efficient One pager pitch.

My own recommendations for content

Regardless of whether or not this becomes a community challenge, I'll be following up with my own suggested sales letter. I think having it as an available resource to Hive promoters, dApps, or for new users to get excited can still have great value.

So what would I focus on?

  • The ability to earn some staking rewards compared to holding liquid on an exchange.
  • Being able to delegate to projects that may offer additional returns (like LeoFinance), and contribute to a growing ecosystem of applications and communities.
  • Helping shape the development and direction of web 3.0.

But first of all, I want to have other people's feedback and inputs. I guess the only recommendation I would insist on is to not put too much weight on the perceived "ROI" coming from inflation-derived rewards like curation rewards (which is not a return on investment). Only returns received beyond inflation is actually a ROI (such as receiving additional tokens from a community or dApp with good potential), together with being able to help bring the price of HIVE higher than it is today, and thus benefiting one's investment. You can't do that from an exchange alone!

Looking forward to people's feedback :)

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Dear So-and-so with Hive on Exchange

What's the matter you? Why for you not vote my post?

Sincerely,
Disgruntled Content Creator

Lol. I'm sure that would make them apologize and immediately transfer their tokens to Hive and Power up to vote you, if they're Canadian.

For sure if they're Canadian, they'll be saying, "Sorry."
Based on stereotypes, that's just how we are, even when it doesn't need to be said. And it's true...

If I was taking part in a project like this, I'd pitch the idea of being able to convert downtime/leisure time into a way to earn money. I feel when it comes to promoting Hive (in general), the idea of earning simply by showing up to be entertained is the most neglected of all opportunities available here. So easy, even a child can do it.

And I'm certain majority of those producing content here would enjoy the benefits of having more eyes around. Then those eyes spread around to the other projects, and these people begin learning about new things. Before you know it, you've attracted a new long term investor and community member.

Always wise to make the first step the easiest. That's why all those big money making stores have automatic doors. But I realize that's not what you're looking for here, since I guess boiled down it would fall into the earning of curation rewards category.

Lmaaaaaaaaao.

Thank you dear sir. I adore you. I will follow if you follow

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And then we can walk in circles together?

Only if you let me lead

The more I think about this, the more the universe wants to implode.

I stopped thinking years ago. I think...

I think I did, too.

I think investors want a passive income, so encouraging them to engage probably won't work, but giving them passive options to leverage their holdings will. So a couple of things to promote

  1. The HP earnings (I think roughly 3%).
  2. The option to delegate to curators and receive earnings back, like @tipu (I think the earnings are about 10% p.a.)

finally, security, if your keys are properly managed the security can be bullet proof, but that's a steep learning curve for a passive investor.

The last thing to consider is, the powerdown period, is the 3 months lock-in worth the returns? I would point to something like crypto.com which has 3-month lock-ins, and they earn about 6% on cryptos, and 12% on table coins, so when comparing to this, its not a bad deal.

so there are lots of pluses, but don't expect them to upvote you anytime soon, they will probably delegate that.

Hi. I had lots of Hive on exchanges until recently. As you can see I powered up to set an example.
It is probably not wise to power up from a risk reward perspective, but I think it is important that we power up if we are going to persuade others to do the same (congruence etc.). I think we should focus on reducing the power-down time significantly. I think the long time, given the volatility and the Nature of the crypto markets, scare people from powering up.

Shorter power down time would be nice. I think it would make sense if instead of a fixed number, one could power up stake to a custom number, and receive interest based on the duration one is willing to stake.

Many might choose a shorter staking period, have the advantages of voting in governance, participating in PoB, and improving the security of their tokens, but give up some/most of the passive staking rewards in return for more flexibility.

Edit: what else than setting an example made you consider and then decide to power up?

Dear so and so who has hive on exchanges. Come and lock your hive up, so you can vote on @nonameslefttouse posts. :)

good idea

That'll boost the price of Hive in no time. Should have thought of this sooner...

Khal should open the Hive-BNB pair on Cubdefi and we should use the funds from DAO to incentivize farming.
Oh, but that's against the interest of blocktrades, witnesses, and big whales on Hive, so it's not gonna happen. That's why hive price will keep falling until Koreans start trading and pumping the price. We know the drill.

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I would tell them every second on the exchange they are loosing money and market share.
Powering Hive gives them interest + effortless curation if they delegate + abillity to reward engagement and promote their own content.

While in the market they cannot time the market. So the good investments are long term and HIVE is just as promising as the top currencies and maybe even more.

So if they want to keep losing money its their choice but as hodlers to hodlers they should be aware of the opportunity.

Great post!

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Good feedback! Personally, I think this is mostly making HIVE seem unappealing. "Stake it, and spend a lot of time curating, or else you'll lose money!" I would rather make the positive arguments for how it gives stakers the opportunity to earn while helping shape new and more profitable dApps and Communities.

I'm curious as to why attracting simple, basic, consumption (which is something literally everyone on the internet does, on their own time, for free, yet they're dishing out a lot of money at times, while their online footprint is traced, tracked, logged, then exploited) is converted into:

"Stake it, and spend a lot of time curating, or else you'll lose money!"

Then shunned. In an attention economy. Where people for many years have complained their work is not viewed, they lack support, comment sections are quiet, and so on (very valid concerns). But people want more:

more profitable dApps and Communities.

That on their own don't stand a chance of being successful without, people. Sure one can pump all kinds of money into it... but then what?

I'm just curious. There must be some reason. I'd like to know what I'm missing.

I think the 3.0 are already in. The investors care about money, fomo and defi === automation of yield.
But I must admit I stoped trying to convince people about Hive. Same as I stopped "selling" bitcoin and ethereum yeras ago.
I do mention it once in a while so when they will join they won't say: "why didn't you tell me". But thats it. No sweat. If it works (and it does) they will come.

That's not an easy one. Problem being, I don't think those people's objectives overlap with our objectives.

Let me play "Devils Advocate" for a moment....

Consider this, the last time Hive pumped, the 24-hour trading volume was US$969 million. Even if we are generous and round up, that means the ENTIRE 175 million Hive on exchanges would have churned 6-7 times in 24 hours... and considerable fortunes were made (and lost)... with something on the order of 65% of that volume coming from the Upbit exchange.

I don't know how open those speculators (which strikes me as what they are) would be to giving up the potential for 30% gains in a DAY for the opportunity of having their stake locked up for 90 days in order to earn 20-25% curation returns, even if using perfect auto voting.

Not saying there aren't some who might not want to change their ways, but I think it would be a tough challenge.

Traders are going to trade. I don't think that appealing to crypto traders to stake their coins instead of gambling on short term gains is the way to go. We might convince some so it doesn't hurt but we need to build stuff that regular folks can use. I larger userbase is the answer long term.

Personally, I think there is quite a considerable difference when talking about "potential earnings" and "net earnings". I mean, the profits you generate from curating content are profits you will make regardless of what happens, in the case of exchanges, making money through trading will always be potential profits: what if those potential profits never turn into profits or perhaps are often lower than what you could generate in Hive by curating content?

Therefore, that is the wrong market to target.

Great initiative. To be honest, I thought that the statistics are much worse than the fact that 45% of assets are on the exchange.



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We certainly could have had a worse starting point. But let's try to bring it down a bit:).

Dear trader,

I would like to thank you for being the bag holder of liquid Hive, and Hive Backed dollars, while self custodied Hive power and Hive dollars collect interests yours does not.

@leprechaun


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Hehe, and do you think that would make them curious to find out how they too could collect those interests? Or more likely that they would not want to keep holding a token that is losing value in that way?

Knowing myself, if I don't understand it, and I don't want to hold it. But I do get curious of potential upsides (which is why I would focus on the opportunities Hive Power gives, rather than the opportunity cost being on exchanges impose). Just like you made me log into proofofbrain.io and try out leaving a reply there :)


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It's possible it was bought on news of an unrelated company of the same name. Now, they are left holding the bag, and only the ones that realize the mistake are selling.

Seriously then:

Dear Hive trader,
cryptocurrencies in general is meant to be something of self-custody. Exchanges lose control of money and they are a great honey pot for hackers. By their nature they have to run a server for hackers to attack. It's not uncommon for money to be lost on an exchange. Hive is no exception. Get a Hive account today and take control of your own money.

As Hive power you can earn money curating content.

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I think those with the money on exchanges are probably already whales here and are taking advantage of volatility of pairs of Hive with other currencies. So, I am not all on board with getting them to remove their Hive. It serves a purpose for those who wish to cash out.

Sorry for the late reply, got quite a few comments here. I think the self-custody argument is very good, and one that Bitcoiners commonly use to make more of their holders move their tokens to a secure wallet. There's even a whole business model for that in terms of support services helping people learn and set up what they need to move and control their own Bitcoins.

I think we could use something similar for Hive, alongside a solid pitch and guide for how to use staked tokens to participate in the many growing communities and dApps on the platform.

Edit: I also think the recent bull run will have brought in a lot of new HIVE token holders who have just need it gone up on the exchanges and bought some to sepcualte. All of these people are individuals we should try to convert to HIVE holders.


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There's even a whole business model for that in terms of support services helping people learn and set up what they need to move and control their own Bitcoins.

Okay, but how does that turn into a business? Telling people to self-custody their coins?

There are plenty of people willing to pay for assistance, learning and secure wallet solutions. https://unchained-capital.com Would be one perfect example of this.


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You have noted the excluded tokens from the DHF, but I still think excluding them is a wrong way to calculate the share for HIVE on exchanges ... when those tokens included its about 32%.
Still high but not as 40% plus ... 20% is a nice goal to aim

To me it makes more sense to exclude the DHF since those funds are untradeable. More important than the static number is the trend and it's contributing factors.

Fun fact the amount of hive staked was steadily increasing from around September up to the beginning of March but there was a trend reversal once we started seeing the price pump. In economic parlance the supply is more elastic at a price above $0.30. So a sizable sector of the stakeholders are willing to sell at these low prices instead of remaining powered up.

My guess is that we will see an increase in the amount of coins held on exchanges the higher the price goes. I would venture to say that some sector of the stakeholders are either not confident that the value will go much higher or they want to be prepared to cash-in instead of acumulating rewards.

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Worth to note is that although the absolute amount staked was going up during the period mentioned before the relative amount was going down.The downtrend only stopped when the price of HBD started to trade above one dollar. This shows that the main factor in the increase in the supply held on exchanges was fueled in great part by the HBD conversions.

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Note: the graphs are showing the numbers after 6/8/2020 which is when the exchanges finished the power downs after the Justin Sun fiasco.

Thanks for the correction. Although the exact percentage is not really the point. Rather, whenever we see a large number of new people buying Hive, we should see it as an opportunity to convert some of them to stakers and ecosystem participants.

Yep ... agreed:)

HIVE just needs few new investors.

I think that this guy alone will be enough for us :)

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As long as people see coins as "get rich quick" money, the nature of blockchain - not just Hive - as a path to freedom will be lost.

We shouldn't talk about Hive "the coin", or Hive "the way to earn money", but more Hive "the freedom platform" where your shares help craft your own freedom. The money is just part of the big Freedom Plan.

Let's not be naïve, without "shares" you are limited in freedom on Hive because : downvotes (NB: not saying you're not free to say what you want whatever your account value BTW, I'm conscious about the fact it stays on the blockchain yadda yadda yadda).

But the more shares you have, the bigger your voice can be. And yes as a side effect, you also help shape the present/future of the platform with that same weight.

Side note: Another thing I rarely hear a discussion about is : "What if I DON'T want my post to be recorded on a blockchain forever?". Isn't it kind of scary for a lot of people?

Then post somewhere else! Blockchain and their tokens are intrinsically combined and we all have the choice of where to post!

Ok.

I was merely saying that not everyone understands the impact of posting here, and those who do might not like it.

And yes they are free to do what they want. Hence why they wouldn't put their token to good use here. Wasn't that the whole point of the post?

If we want to onboard them, we need to reassure them. Crypto is scary for a lot of people.

Those are only hypothesis. Have a good day

Sorry. The comment was only in response to your final sidenote! I just meant that it is what it is, I'd point out to people the benefits of not having to sell their souls, or their data to the big internet companies but you're right about them worrying about 'crypto' and that's understandable but when that's all 95% of users who are here already care about, it's difficult to sell , for me anyway, the most important advantages of decentralised and censorship resistant social media.
Have a great weekend :-)

Words of wisdom. That reality has exactly the same place in life as that reality where users want to keep their information forever. There are as many realities as there are people.



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Nice at detailing a letter to spread the information.
Hopefully many should participate and who knows
some will learn more from this challenge.

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Interesting ;)))

I'll tell them to reduce the quantity of hive in circulation. This will definitely kick the value of hive straight to the stars instead of the moon that any token can arrive at.
🎉🎉🎉🎊

Hive that is not on exchanges can also be liquid and not powered up. If hive was integrated on ledger and/or trezor, you would see much less hive on exchanges.

But not necessarily more hive power. Staking for 13 weeks is a tough sell.

Dear YOLO trader, thanks for pumping my coin.
;)

Just one sentence
"Keep on the good work"

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Funny I see now the post. I write some "solution" to make liquid hive more useful :)

https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@urun/hbd-stabilizer-should-be-community-driven what do you think?

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I have seen answers about putting fear in them, saying things like you are losing rewards if you don't power up. I agree that this would make them sell. I would rather say: People are saying a decentralized social media is the next big thing, HIVE is positioned to be the platform that achieves it, invest early and earn some passive income(powering up) in the process as well.

Most people don't know what the token they are holding is about. Make them see the macroeconomic aspect of hive rather than the microeconomics of it.

Hive strenght relies in that message, not in the %yield. Don't even try to attract them with the potential yield they can earn, for that they have DeFi.

That is a good idea and if look at will be adorable.