Please be aware that we changed
daily limit on Fanbase to weekly limit with the default value of 2.
This means you will upvote the author only 2 times in a week. (curation trails are not affected)
This option is changed for everyone to 2 votes per week. Let's see what happens.
You can manually change this option.
We are open to suggestions about Hive.vote.
Update:
The reason behind this decision:
There are complaints about auto-voting around the hive and with the previous configurations, users had to vote at least once per day but now they can limit votes per week. So we hope this new setting will help to reduce auto-voting a little bit.
There will be troubles for our users to reconfigure their settings. Some of the configurations were unchanged for 3 years.
Sorry for any possible trouble you got but it's good to poke our users to revisit some settings after 3 years.
Update2:
Now both "daily limit" and "weekly limit" options are available.
Update3:
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Update4:
Just updated fanbase settings. Now you can easily select multiple authors and change daily or weekly limits for all of them by one click.
https://peakd.com/hivevote/@steemauto/update-to-our-angry-users-p
I will probably get screwed by this but I still appreciate it! Good for the ecosystem. I like how so many people and projects are focused as much on the whole ecosystem as they are on their own earnings, that’s how we make Hive last
You might even wanna consider turning off autovote for accounts that are inactive for a long time.....should I not suggest that, are people gonna hate me?
Update: https://peakd.com/hivevote/@steemauto/update-to-our-angry-users-p
The reason behind this decision:
There are complaints about auto-voting around the hive and with the previous configurations, users had to vote at least once per day. So we hope this new setting will help to reduce auto-voting a little bit.
There will be troubles for our users to reconfigure their settings. Some of the configurations were unchanged for 3 years.
Sorry for any possible trouble you got but it's good to poke our users to revisit some settings after 3 years.
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Soon.
You had to add this before the update, not after. What a mess. If you're not going to ask us, at least have someone do QA testing.
Yes. But it wouldn't take much time to add.
I suggest you officially announce an ETA for that. If you say "today" then almost noone will be angry. I'm sure there are people adjusting hundreds of votes individually as I type this.
Dear
Please note that you (and everyone else) is using steemauto tool for free. It's a result of someones else passion, time and effort.
Already added.
I agree! It makes no sense.
You are complaining that you need to spend time to decide which poster should be more upvoted than others, even if you have to do it only once? Really? But exactly this is the point! Curation means also a manual work. Mission accomplished by @steemauto.
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Updated. Now you can easily change single configuration for selected fans.
That makes it a lot easier. Thanks for your fast reaction.
politics :(((((((
The default was set to 2 per day. I have no issue and understand changing to weekly.
Buy why wouldn't the default then be 14??
This seems like a head game.
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Sorry. Commented under the post and also updated post with the reason behind the change.
Awesome.
seems a very STuPID idea, makes the whole service useless :(((
You can change the limit manually.
so i missunderstood this post a bit??
i ll take a look.
is this only on hive, or as well on steem?
Only hive.
thx :)
i don't know how to change it manually.please tell me how to change mmanually?
I presume this can be manually increased?
Yes
like it.
What for?
I assume to drive manual curation and to stop autovote abuse with post spamming and to leave more of the reward pool to manual alloctaion
That makes sense, we don't want abuse so if that is the goal then it is welcome!
makes no sense.
Thanks for this change, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out 🍿
Changes are welcome but they should be told to community before doing the change, not after the changes are done and now ask the community opinion.
Totally, kinda clumsy decision. It will definitely piss some people off when they see this change like a month later if they didn't pay attention. But still, I think it's a good thing to force, just a little bit, people's attention on the actual platform instead of just running a zombie account for curation farming.
Fun times ahead :) ... maybe 3 votes limit would been a less drastic cut :)
Whatever would have been the case, 3,4 and/or 5, most of us never satisfy with the change, it takes us some time to adjust. If the number of votes changes to 3 after 6 months, we'd be seeing this situation, these complains again... This is another fun part.
I agree with @ew-and-patterns.
The fanbase management system is not very user-friendly and has a slow navigational design. You should give the opportunity to change one configuration parameter for all or for a selection without affecting other parameters.
We'll try to implement a better settings window in 1-2 days.
Better settings window will be greatly appreciated! Thanks. 😉
Thanks a lot for the update.
I think, it's a good decision and just changed my configuration.
It makes it easier to fine-tune the auto-votes.
HIVE ON!!!
It's fine with me and I understand...
HiveOCCASIOANLY.vote
I’m kidding.
I know this will be better for Hive as a whole. It’s definitely gonna piss a lot of people off though. Those with their own scripts won’t mind at all. The average user who heavily relies on auto votes (unless it’s a curation trail) is kinda getting screwed here though.
Shouldn’t this increase rewards all around though?
The users who are not active on here anymore won’t even realize this. So their votes will not go through daily, maybe it will encourage those users to get active again once they find out their automation was disrupted. If they ever do. So many of them haven’t even checked their vote settings since back during Steem days.
Okay, but --- if for example someone who has the limit of one a day now manually increases it to 7 so that it will then cover one each day as it was earlier, but the account it votes on normally posts 3 times a day - doesn't that mean that it will get all votes in a little over two days? Hasn't this the potential for more auto-voting abuse?
Yes. You are right. We might add the daily limit again with a default value of 1 to prevent such cases.
Just added "daily limit" again. Now both options are available.
I think that this is a good move, thanks.
I understand the change it is a cool option actually if someone who wants to limit the votes.
But why not keep both options? Why removing the daily limit instead of adding an option for weekly limits?
Right now if I would like to vote someone once a day, I have to put limit to 7. What if that person posts 3 times a day? I vote every posts for 2 days and then 1 post on 3rd day for the next 4 days I will not vote anything.
It will actually make very hard to manage the VP.
Just added the daily limit right now. Now both are available.
Oh sweet! Thank you :)
Now both together make much more sense. Awesome! Thanks a lot! :)
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I don't get it. Is this an attempt to stop people from posting more than 2x a week?
No. People are posting in regard to their auto-votes?
The main goal is to encourage manual curation and content discovery and also, get attention from inactive users. Some people just set the auto-votes and forgot about it.
BTW there is no hard limit, users can login and change settings.
I feel this will definitely gain attention for some inactive users lol. Thanks for all the updates and stuff to try and appease your own fans :p
I've seen like 4 or so updates till now. I haven't visited the service yet tho...So, could you clarify how things play out as we speak?
Thanks for the update! I’ll change mine on one of my follows but not for others. I think it’s a solid move!
I am new here and trying to learn all the tricks. I think this will be a very challenging times for a newbie like me. Kinda like a rocking scissor-paper-stone for me.
Let's make manual curation great again, all for autovotes, but not for autovote/fanbase abuse
Its time to learn to code and make my own script, I guess.
Hi @steemauto
Personally I think it's a change in right direction. It is simply not possible to create quality content like many users do. every day. Sometimes even few times daily.
It encourages to abuse.
Yours, Piotr
I have some sympathy for what you are trying to do in removing autovote abuse; however for individuals who produce quality content for a living the auotvote trails for trusted content are one of the key things that keep quality content producers here working on posting quality works in a similar way to Patreon. Changing the weekly default to a multiple of your daily limit would have been more fair, respected peoples choices, and allowed people to individually reduce the weekly limit for followers they thought were abusing the system. The reality is however that if someone is abusing your auto vote trust you are likely to just remove them completely. Or if they are intentionally abusing it with shitposting linked to a 2nd account then they will simply update their settings.
This change will in the long run just damage small content produces who were benefiting from a distributed but semi disengaged auotvote fanbase while allowing the large scale abusers who have larger stake with multiple cross voting accounts and monitor things closely to simply log in and update their systems. Very sad to see. I appreciate you provide this service and it is within your rights to change at any notice. However the service does form a big part of the hive ecosystem; and some discussions with the community about how to address this would have been appreciated in advance.
If you had put a hard limit on the votes per week (limit to 1 or 2 per day or even 7 per week so one cant just vote 10 times a day for a scam account) then this change might have come across as helping fight abuse. As it stands it does nothing to help abuse and just hurts people who have worked to develop a trail or people who have passively invested their hive.
I just wrote a long comment then I somehow lost it.
TLDR of my not broadcasted comment:
2 votes/week is not bad for quality content creators. Content creators need more real people than auto-votes.
Also, It's not a hard limit. Users can login and change it.
That is exactly my issue; its not a hard limit. So tell me how will it stop abuse ? It just makes everyone have to log in and change it and penalizes passive investors and small content producers who may not keep up with the changes? To the major abusers its a meaningless change as they have enough vested interest to log in and change it. You would find most content creators would support a hard limit of 1 autovote post a day. This change does nothing to stop people using your service to autovote shitpots on puppet accounts 10 times a day.
Then who are auto votes for then if not for content creators ? Tell me that? Why offer the service if you don't believe they should be used? Just offer a curation trail only service ? Then you effectively crown a few kingmakers like curie and centralize all the votes via a few major curation trials. The Patreon model of rewarding creative producers per output unseen is one of the biggest in the industry; auto votes allow you to support an artist. If you don't like what they are producing you can remove your support. Content creators is exactly who autovotes exist for, either directly or via curation trails (well unless you have the opinion that they are there to facilitate networks of interrelated shitpots voting each other). Not everyone has time to manually vote and want to support people. Hence Hive.vote exists. All you have done is change the settings against the opinion of the user base wile allowing them them change it back. All this does is penalize people who don't see the change has been made (which is a lot).
The elephant in the room here is that you can't manually curate and receive a decent curation reward with the way the exponential decay on curation rewards work (unless your online all day looking for posts which is not possible). Hence people autovote to get their votes in at the right time .
Change is to reduce auto-voting and encourage manual curation. Abuse is subjective. Personally I think there is no such thing as abuse when chain allows users to perform such actions.
I understand your concerns. The main reason for the change was inactive users. Users must revisit their settings once in a while.
We will send notifications from now on to the inactive users.
Why do people in the blockchain have to have an "active" stake? If someone buys shares in a company do they have to be an "active" investor? Don't we want mass uptake of investors to buy Hive and power it up for passive income purposes using autovotes and curation trails ? Or are we saying as a blockchain we only want "active" investors and passive investment will be discouraged? Will anyone trust hive.vote not to change their preferences again after this? Most people who want to 'invest' just want to set some settings and come back in 12-18 months; not have to monitor continually changing requirements or log in each day to manually vote. Investment funds will just flow to coins like Tezos which simple staking rewards if we keep changing the goal posts.
Agree. Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate that you provide the service to the community and ultimately an independent app can make whatever changes it likes. I think overtime we will see more sophisticated development in this space to help with maximizing curation rewards for passive investors. If HIVE is to succeed and cover the selling pressure from the development fund and post inflation pool we need to make it attractive to passive investors. @therealwolf I know you were in support of introducing some passive staking rewards system at a blockchain level. Any plans to bring your smartsteem.com autovote trails over to hive?
There is not much point to that if the user is inactive, is there? They won't see it anyway.
As for the default weekly limit, if someone set a daily limit, they expect that in 7 days they will have voted at least 7 times. It would have made sense to set the weekly limit to 7 so that the many people who have no idea about the change will not get hurt. There are lots of people who have set their votes to those they trust will not post garbage and now don't log in for whatever reason. You just censored their votes with your arbitrary change. So much for the belief in freedom of choice. I urge you to change the default to at least 7 per week or preferably to reflect multiples of whatever their daily limit was set to. Anything less is censorship by you. For those who are active users, they can now go and change their settings as they see fit using the new extra feature.
My belief is that if you are going to provide a free service, then do that without harming anyone. We thank you for your generosity. If you are seeking to control the votes of others, then that is not really a free service, but a form of trade by taking control over others. Be honest and say that up front... I will take control of your votes if you use my service!
I also believe that the reason you made the change was honorable, but misguided. I hope that after reading this and some of the other comments, you will realize your mistake and correct it in the name of true decentralization and freedom of choice.
So... Some people is commenting there saying shit and really angry for a change on a app that is free for use? ¿?
Man...
Great idea!
Muy buena actualizacón, gracias por ello!
wtf??? Now I'm only gonna shitpost twice per week!!
jokes aside, nice change, let's hope it encourages more manual curation when they see their vp go to 100%, then again I'm assuming someone will just attempt to copy your service and take the "customers". But at least you've tried.
Great news for lazy people.
Hive Keychain support would be my most requested feature by far.
If my daily vote is set to 2 and weekly is set to let’s say 20. I presume the daily will be the rule, or will it compensate and vote an extra 6 times that week?
Daily in this case.
I've updated mine (actually my other account). Seems reasonable to have both limits. I do it to support small accounts rather than for the curation rewards.
I was wondering why I had stopped voting. This is a good idea, didn't take long to set it as I wanted it.