Always they blame it on the guns, blame it on the president, blame it on the others, but they will never admit their own guilt as part of a unhuman society with unhuman value, exception, prejudices... One must ask what caused that anger in the killer and how can we work on that issues on a large scale as a society. And they don't understand that actually those who are going to therapy are the less mentally ill, while most people have serious mental issues but just ignore them going untreated and acting like they where completely healthy and also as if they were supirior
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This is both 100% true and also used as a throw away line bybthosecwhomadvocate against gun control. Couldn’t we work on both at the same time?
I don’t think anyone needs a gun unless they are using it in their profession. I spent 16 years in the army and I’ve seen what guns can do first hand. No civilian needs that tool. But I’m not American and it’s not my country, so if American want guns then that’s their choice. I still can’t see how this justifies regulations that are so lax that even criminals and the mentally ill can walk into Walmart and buy an AR 15 is just ludicrous .
making a society more human, fixing prejudices etc, are things that can't exactly be fixed overnight - they are complex issues that will require years of analysis and at best, incremental improvements.
Taking weapons out of the hands of people is something that can be done overnight.
I'm in my 30s and I've never owned a gun, and never plan on owning a gun
Well i am from germany, we don't carry guns, still you can get a gun illegaly, an thats exactly what happend at our school shootings. Because if someone has the intention to do it, he'll find a way. These complex issues may require analysis and incremental improvements, yes and thats why discussion has to start. Always looking for the next easy to do task will get us nowhere as it are just things we consider to be helping but they are not, when we dont cut the roots. Look at Swiss they all have guns, they don't have any problem, why is that?
no doubt there'll always be a black market for guns - but making it harder to get guns will reduce the amount of times that guns are used by the wrong people - it is just logic.
yes there's other issues at play, but guns are the low hanging fruit - get rid of them and you save lives.
America's issue isn't just the existence of guns - it's the fact that guns have become such an integral part for much of the society. The society is sick - very sick - and taking guns away from sick people is the only logical thing to do.
In Australia it costs $30,000 to buy an AR15 style weapon on the black market. In the Us it costs about $1,000 or less. Do the maths. How many school kids and petty criminals have $30k to invest in a weapon. Not many.
yeah but how much does it cost in the US if you don't even need to go on the blackmarket? half of the time when you have these school shootings these kids are going in with an arsenal of weaponry that would suit a small army.
That's pretty much not possible in Australia.
How many school shootings are you guys having there? Is it anything like it is here? No? Probably because it's harder to get guns.
You are right, there a less than in America but consider Germany to be much much smaller than the US and consider we have more stabbings than shootings. But Death is Death. Maybe there will be less rampage without guns, i can't tell. But I always liked your constitution because it ensures the people can stand up against a totalitarian takeover or a government turning against the people.
Can someone kill more people with a machine gun or a knife? Do you really have to ask that question? It doesn't take a double blind study...
Also, you say that it "ensures the people can stand up against a totalitarian takeover." But does it? We don't have tanks, RPGs, fighter jets, bomber jets, drones, nukes, etc. We just have some pop pop machines that can't even pierce tank armor. If the government wanted to "turn against the people," whatever that means, how would a few million rifles do anything to prevent or even deter that?
Ofcourse guns can kill more people than a knife, i was only talking about the amount of rampages in Germany, not the number of victims. But with the same logic, they may have drones and tanks but very limited and they still would need manpower to control it, so an army. And against that army, what do you think are you more efficient with a nife or with a gun?
Neither are efficient. I spent 15 years in the army. I commanded a company of 100 soldiers. If you want to bring your militia with your guns against the government, then the army Is going to wipe the floor with you. It’s not just the tanks and the planes and the heavy machine guns that give the military the advantage. It’s small unit tactics, effective command and control systems, it’s training, it’s the works.
Your gun is not protecting you from the government unless you live in a country that’s so poorly governed the military is ineffective. Germany is not that country. You’ve got one of the best armies in the world. Good luck with that fight. You’re going to need it.
there is no way of taking out a totalitarian government without the help of a military group or the actions of a paramilitary movement, one already have the gun power and the other is way more difficult to assamble than to find the guns. I'm from Venezuela and the goverment is still in power not because there are no guns but because at the end most of the people doesn't have the will to use them.
The problem with make it easier to buy guns, in any country, is that the victims are allways gonna be the people who doesn't have or never had the idea to use a weapon. There are allways the hot headed people that happens to decide to have a gun which for me is a pretty bad combination and can be easly avoidable by mental health tests before buying a gun.
That trully determined people to cause harm will find a way to get a gun, Yes, but at least make it hard for them...
What i do agree is that the security personel should always be armed, and it would be a good idea to have trained people in charge of the security of public places.
I’ll bet you would have a hard time finding one article where a mass shooting was “blamed on the gun.” It gets OLD reading people mischaracterize gun control arguments down to basic generalities that almost on one is advocating.
Almost every story that I have read or seen on tv asks exactly the questions you suggest that no one is asking.
And such ridiculous generalizations as “those who are going to therapy are the less mentally ill, while most people have serious mental issues but just ignore them ...” illustrate your complete lack of understanding of the mental health conditions of millions of Americans.
Finally, on the OP’s original subject, it’s a fact that President Obama’s put a rule in place that would restrict certain mentally ill people from acquiring guns under specific conditions and that Trump removed the new restrictions. This is easily searchable. You don’t have to take my word for it.
First of all articles are not a reliable source neither where articles meant, may be only in the way the propagate gun control as they first talk about the shootings and then about gun control, this way linking the the topics to one another. I mostly talk about people and politicians.
Second thing is i did not generalized anything, thats just another false accusation of someone who did not exactly read what was written, but only reads what he wants to read. For me this is exactly the behavior of those with mental issues who ignore them. Best evidence: you accuse me of a "complete" (THIS BY THE WAY IS GENERALIZATION) lack of understanding of the mental health conditions of millions of Americans while you can't even give an argument for that.
Okay. Change “articles” to factual, investigative reports.
As soon as you start parsing words to win an argument, you have lost that argument.
Wow you totally proved my point regarding to you. There is no need to win an agrument here, as no real arguments were presented by you, only false accusations. And i have better things to do as keep pointles conversations going. So i wish you the best luck and a good life. Write what you want.
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