Now that we know Bitcoin futures played a role in its decline, what can we expect going forward?

in #bitcoin7 years ago (edited)

In my post yesterday I compared bitcoin to gold and what happened to both when futures products were introduced.

As you might have guessed (or not), gold sold off rather sharply with the introduction of futures products.

In fact it sold off roughly 50% starting the very next day after futures were introduced.

Coincidence?

Keep in mind that bitcoin also just so happened to hit its all time high on the very same day futures products were introduced and then basically has been selling off ever since.

Coincidence?

Perhaps, but more than likely those products have played a significant role in the decline of both gold prices back in 1975-1976, and bitcoin prices now in 2018.

More about that can be found in my post from yesterday:

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@jrcornel/bitcoin-futures-helped-tanked-the-market-and-we-shouldn-t-have-been-surprised

Now that we have seen that the prices of bitcoin and gold were affected initially when futures were introduced, what should we expect going forward?

This is where things get interesting.

As we saw in the post from yesterday, gold fell for just over 18 months until it finally reached it's low. Which was roughly 50% lower than its high that was achieved the day before futures products were introduced:

(Source: https://medium.com/@obiwankenobit/bitcoin-futures-and-the-ghost-of-gold-81418864c961)

That is interesting, but like myself, I am sure you are more interested in what it eventually did longer term.

That is where things get much more rosy!

Take a look at this chart:

(Source: https://medium.com/@obiwankenobit/bitcoin-futures-and-the-ghost-of-gold-81418864c961)

As you can see, prices declined initially after the launch of futures products, however, they spiked significantly afterwards.

In fact, prices went up by an astonishing 8X after bottoming near $100 an ounce.

Basically, the launch of futures products, though painful at first, was just a blip on the longer term chart of gold.

Hmm... could bitcoin do something like that?

If history is any indication, it absolutely could!

Even better, when might that happen?

Well, if we use gold as a model for what might happen to bitcoin we can see that it took roughly 19 months for gold to bottom.

If bitcoin bottomed in the middle of April, we can say that it bottomed in roughly 4 months. Which would mean that bitcoin moves at just over 4.7X the speed of gold in terms of price discovery.

Given that it took around 1200 days for gold to reach it's next high after bottoming in 1976, we could use that same pattern to get an idea for bitcoin's next high.

Since it moves at roughly 4.7X the speed of gold, we could estimate that bitcoin should reach it's high roughly 8-9 months from the time it bottomed. Which would put that high sometime in late December of 2018 or early January of 2019.

Awesome! How high might this next high be?

If the magnitude of this move is similar to that of gold where it went from $100 to over $800 on its next rally, we could factor in roughly an 8X multiple to the low of bitcoin seen in April of $6,500ish.

Using that 8X multiple and a price of $6,500 we get a bitcoin price somewhere in the $50k range as its next high.

Which, as mentioned above, would happen roughly by December of this year or January of next.

How's that for a bullish rally?

Some Caveats:

Remember these projections are all based on bitcoin following the same pattern that gold did in roughly the same way around the introduction of futures products, and it hinges on that April low around $6,500 holding for bitcoin.

If that low does not hold, then the entire model will need to be recalculated and adjusted to whenever bitcoin finally bottoms in order to get an estimate of the speed of bitcoin's price discovery vs. that of gold.

Which would push the time it will take for bitcoin to reach that high out significantly.

This model is merely a guesstimate based on a possibly related trend. It likely should not to be taken as investment advice or be used solely to base an investment decision.

It is merely a fun exercise to see what might happen if bitcoin were to follow a similar pattern to that of gold relating to its introduction of futures products.

What is interesting to me as well is that seasonally, this forecast also lines up with a very strong time for bitcoin and that is also when a lot of crypto analysts have made forecasts for a very high price for bitcoin.

Perhaps they were looking at a similar model. :)

Stay informed my friends.

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"Which would put that high sometime in late December of 2018 or early January of 2019."

I think the FOMO will start towards the end of 2019, as the next halvening is scheduled for May of 2020.

https://www.bitcoinblockhalf.com/

That would line up with these higher prices as well.

$50,000 BTC? Bring it on! 💰🤑💰

What will steem be on that day?

Too low, stop FUDing so much please :)

I want to see it soon :D

This is the sort of positivity I'm looking for while hodling!!

I'm confident that bitcoin and blockchains in general have so much more to offer than gold. Did gold ever create a network that has the capability to social network, stream, post videos, photos, and now even play games? Didn't think so haha

High hopes for the future of blockchain and Steem!!

You and me both.

Interesting analysis. I like the 8.75x factor you have come up with. The fact that bitcoin is set to explode around December or January is consistent with trends in the past. I find it fishy that gold futures and bitcoin futures drop after the day they launch. Either all the insiders are cashing out, or there's something more fraudulent occurring. Your analysis has gotten more and more comprehensive, keep it up :)

I think it was 4.7X faster, but that could work as well. :)

very optimistic...

Seeing the decline in the last month of STEEM (more then 40%) is rough. But then again, on April 1, STEEM was as $1.34, so... This is the way the crypto markets go. But I believe crypto has traction and STEEM is getting more. I hope the models presented here work out because I'm treating every dip as a buying opportunity!

But the best line in this post is: "... it moves at roughly 4.7X the speed of gold..." It triggers my Trekieness and my love of science.

"Scotty! We need Warp 9 NOW, or we're all dead!"

"I cun'ot doo it, Cap'n! She jus cun'ot handle it, sir!"

"Dammit Scotty! OK...how about Warp 4.7 Gold Speed?"

"Aye, Cap'n. Thut she cun doo! Hold on to yerrr kilts!"

Haha this was great. Nice comment!

Thank you so much for updating @jrcornel,I think Bitcoin is now getting a lot of time when the price goes up. Bitcoin prices have come down, this will gradually increase and hope to get a new dimension Bitcoin.are you agree with me???

What do you think this has on the Price of Steemit? and what do you think the steemit price will be in 5 years?

Well bitcoin seems to move everything right now. As you can see weakness in the space is not localized. Once steem starts actually delivering on some of the things they have promised, it may start to climb the market cap leader board.

Mind-blowing analysis, If the things will go as you are predicting, i think we are floor now and now we will start rise trend soon, and that is a very happy news.
thank you.

Funny how you mentioned that market moves 4.7X faster in Bitcoin and crypto trading is open for 5X time compared to usual markets.

That is an interesting observation. Though spot gold markets are open 24/7 as well, no?

That actually makes a lot of sense. Let's hope, good old BTC will drag STEEM all along!

It will and it does all the time. Bitcoin is like a grandpa giving piggyback rides to his children.

Yes, unfortunately also downwards 😀

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That sounds pretty good! Although difficult to extrapolate from gold in such a way reliably, always fun exercises :-)

I feel you analysis has great merit.

However, there is one piece that is very different.

Gold futures had the advantage over gold of not needing storage.
Bitcoins by themselves, do not need storage and so it comes down to how easily you can move in and out of bitcoin vs moving in and out of futures.

Now, futures and banks are all set up. They are in bed with each other, and until death do they part.

The bitcoin - bank thing is spotty at best.
If it was solid, the futures market would be in trouble. One slip up by the futures market, like a price freeze as bitcoin gapped up, would have people thinking, why don't i just buy bitcoin.

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I like this analysis. Bitcoin could be the new gold.

Now this looks like a positive and uplifting prognosis. If this comes to pass, I figure that a lot of people who were holding their coins or buy now will be rather happy.

I've read each and every word of this post very carefully and conclusions are mind blasting, what a brilliant future ahead, thanks for keeping update.

For the next leg, we need something significant like a global economic meltdown and a collective belief that bitcoin is a better store of value than gold. It could take some time for both to take place which will jive well with the timeline.

I've never understood BTC futures. What are they tied to? BTC has a finite amount. Once that is hit, there are no more. What happens then? Not true with gold or cash. Can someone explain this to me?

sir , I suspect this might be a "sell-the-news" type event and we might experience a correction following the CME Group futures launching if there are difficulties associated with their clearing. Note that CME Group has much higher contract volume than CBOE, so the CBOE futures launch will likely be more useful as an indicator of what to expect when CME launches.

Should be a good Christmas :)

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