How do we know if an account is plankton, minnow, dolphin, shark/orca or whale? The @SteemSmarter team is trying to figure it out and wants your feedback!
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Feedback #1 - Shark instead of Orca?
We thought an "Orca" is a confusing animal since it looks too similar to a whale (and is called a "killer whale"). We considered what is between a whale and a dolphin conceptually – and decided to use Shark instead. Which do you like better?
Which do you like better: Shark or Orca?*
Feedback #2 – How do we define the "fish level" for each Account?
In Version 2 of the "Daily Winners Report" we will introduce statistics based on an Account's SP weight. We all familiar with this concept as plankton, minnow, dolphin, shark, whale, etc.
We've found some issues with the current community standard regarding how these Account "fish levels" are weighed, and we want to present an updated measurement on how these standards are evaluated. We call this new metric our "Fish Scales" because it shows the weight of each Account's potential voting power.
We've used the current Steem and SBD prices to help determine how much a 100% upvote at 100% VP would result in for each fish type, and scaled our plankton / minnow / dolphin / shark / whale metrics to reflect current Steem Power (including SP delegated in and out), not the total VESTS in the Steem platform like other reports.
Do these look correct? Would you classify yourself the same or different?
Feedback #3 – Delegated SP (include or not?)
I've noticed that most other apps/platforms using the standard way of evaluating an Account's fish weight was only using the SP native to the account. This means any SP delegated to or from (in or out) wouldn't be included.
If a whale delegates 99.9% of their SP, then in our opinoin they are no longer a whale, but maybe a minnow.
If a minnow is delegated 40,000 SP, then they are now a Dolphin.
Do you agree that SP delegation should impact an Account's classification?
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Ok, good feedback. Valid point on a shark "eating people" but an orca is already a "killer whale". Are they out to kill whales? Sounds scary. The community so far has overwhelmingly gone for shark (mostly b/c they don't know what orca is so I think we're going to introduce sharks.
Yeah, Vests and SP are the same effectively, but nobody knows what Vests are unless you dev on the platform. The USD approach was just to help ppl have examples of the current vote amount in $ for current fish type. It will, of course, change due to a fluctuating Steem price.
For now, we don't really call out a specific users and their fish category. It's going to be used for a more top level classification. To see what "type" of account has/is voting, commenting, etc fo both globally and inside each tag community. Something similar to this.
Here an example. Numbers are not accurate and it's just a mockup for design purposes, but should get the idea across.
So I am a dolphin.
A way to keep us busy and focus.
Shark makes sense.
I think we should be rewarded just holding SP.
Keep on steemin'
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Killer whales are actually dolphins. So more reasons for Shark.
I think ranking based on effective SP is a good idea.
awesome, thank you @vimukthi
I'm used to Orca, but a little originality won't kill anyone. You want Sharks, go for it ^^
Value should be based on Vests, and traditionally you rank up by increasing it by a power of 10
I'm personally not counting the Delegated Vote on it, but actually it does make sense to count it. Whatever you chose, just make sure it s clear for your users.
Thanx @stoodkev.
We have decided to go with "shark". Seems that nearly everyone in this thread favored it.
Vests and SP are nearly identical, but everyone has heard of SP and not Vests. Shouldn't make much of a difference. We're planning to use this scale:
I think shark is best first it is very beautiful and secondly it is better you clkassified it awesome and very greatly I appereciat eyou Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work and wishing you a nice day
I definitely like shark better. Also I think the classifications are great. I had no idea I was plankton. I thought I was a minnow. OK, more work to do to move up the aquatic foodchain.
In first, Shark is the One that i would vote for, and other things you have defined is agreed by me, you and your team has done so much hard work that very less amount of errors can be found..
Looking forward to it :)
I like the idea of using shark in the place of orca. To be honest with you @ashe-oro, the term orca is a very confusing word. Please substitute it.
@eurogee of @euronation community
Feedback 1: I vote for shark.
Feedback 2: a bit more of a fuzzy area for me, but offhand I think it makes sense to talk about it in terms of Steem Power because that's more familiar and everyday to the newbies compared to VESTS.
awesome feedback, thank you.
Awesome classification and if you ask me then Shark name is better in the classification because most of the people are familiar with it and can relate with it and yes the weight-age of SP is the key thing which is used in the Classification on the Steemit in my opinion and in my opinion you showed an effective report. Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work and wishing you an great day. Stay blessed. 🙂
I agree. Orca is a confusing animal and all the people are not aware of orca's. So I guess it's better to go for shark's.
And in addition I think that the sequence should be like this plankton, minnows, dolphins,shark's and whales if you classify them on the basis of size. But I see that in your sequence the dolphins are placed after shark's, that is if you classify them on the basis of intelligence, the dolphins are the most intelligent mammals on the earth. So in my opinion the classification should be on the basis of size. And the categories must be made on steem power.
agreed, the classification is based on size.
In our classification it's ordered plankton, minnows, dolphins, sharks and whales. Dolphins are before sharks :)
Shark for sure is the best fit... Maybe categories should be crested to know who is at which fish level. It otherwise becomes overhead data for plankton or even minnows.
thank you :)
I agree except the delegation part.
why's that? Isn't the vote what people are looking for? Is a whale still a whale with a $0.50 upvote?
If someone has been working their ass off on steemit ( let's say that's how you become a whale), and want to take it a little easy for some time and hence delegate some of their SP.
Will it be fair to consider them a minnow..
I think it will be because they have offered out all of their SP. Maybe they used MinnowBooster and are making a lot of $ each day from their delegation. Their vote is still only worth a minnow's vote.
Hmm
That's fair enough I think
At first glance, the steem fish scales gave me the idea of a food chain. When I started to read the comments here, I realize it is based on the size.
Feedback # 1: Shark is better to represent the size
Feedback # 2: Define by Steem Power
Feedback # 3: Prefer using SP native to the account
I feel that the delegation would create more confusions and misunderstandings. Even now, I felt hampered by the voting power (20 votes/day) and because of this some good post are left vote-less.
In my opinion, the move of classifying the account according to SP delegation, will hurt the curation activity even more. Just my two cents..
thank you.
that's the point. If you give away all your SP, you don't deserve to be a whale anymore. Your power is gone. Your vote is puny.
A Humboldt Squid haha. Ok, we'll consider it.
Because delegated SP is legal on this platform, i agree that delegated SP impacted the classification of fish level.. @ashe-oro, Can I translated this post to bahasa Indonesia and create the other post on my blog?
Sure, go ahead. Please post a link here when you do.
https://steemit.com/steemsmarter/@misbahjuli/kami-butuh-tanggapan-anda-bagaimana-seharusnya-kita-mengklasifikasi-sebuah-akun-di-steem
It's the link of post in Bahasa Indonesia @ashe-oro
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Thank and best regard from me @misbahjuli !
ok thank you.. ASAP.. :)
the explanation is brief, but quite clear. as a beginner, I often open the web steemit busy. Org. just by typing the account, will see its criteria
really we also like you do not know how to classify the system in steemit is very good if there is giving a little science
Steem community related content. Thanks for your share.
I LIKE SHARK, NOT ORCA
Awesome blog post,great explanation indeed.upvoted and resteemed.
i agree
but i also think sp delegated to or from should not be included
ok, why's that? Doens't it change the value of their vote and how ppl ask for their vote?
I think the ones closest to the whale would be the Rhincodon typus
maybe a middle point?
it's a special blog from you brother and really it was very informative!
Keep it Up and earned follower and upvote!
I think the levels between dolphin, shark, and whale should be more consistent with the previous levels, in general I would prefer an exponential scale like the following, you need 10x (10 times SP / VEST) in order to reach the next level:
500+ Minnow
5000+ Dolphin
50000+ Whale
500000+ Super Whale
5000000+ God (Steemit Inc) ;)
ummmmm, so remove Shark/Orca completely and introduce 2 levels of Whale?
It was just an example you can also call the level after Dolphin Shark/Orca and the next two levels Whale and God for example. Would prefer a consistent exponential metric though.
Shark is often used to describe a person because of their behavior. I think it is used as a bad word about someone most, but can also mean good. Think of card shark.