Great discussion of the value of free speech (and @freezepeach). I do suggest editing your post to end with delegate to @freezepeach, rather than follow. I don't follow them because they only resteem posts from authors I already follow. Following them via a curation trail would be a more effective strategy IMHO.
I had to stop watching the Vox vid, as the blatant denigration of speech being at the sole option of natural persons revealed all I needed to know about Vox' commentary. I noted the chart that separated superable free speech from insuperable trolls. There is no actual demarcation. Vox is nothing but clever trolling, after all.
There is no such thing as a Troll. Everybody has the ability I do to simply stop viewing content, so censorship is not intended to keep them from being exposed to content they disagree with - it prevents those that might or do agree with it from being exposed to it.
None of us is omniscient, omnipotent, or universal. To the degree any comment not commercial spam exists, it is valid commentary. Trolling is just comment we prefer not to spend attention on. Censorship is a soft white underbelly; a crack in the armor; a scale missing over the heart of the dragon, as it reveals facts censors have no other ability to counter. This reveals that they seek to counter facts in order to exert policies that are basically contrary to factual reality. Therefore censorship reveals the weaknesses of censors, which then enables opponents of such policies to use effective weapons designed to attack those weaknesses.
This is such a powerful vector that only policy existentially endangered would undertake it because other weaknesses are more dangerous. This is an important revelation regarding censors, and I recommend to all that are concerned about censorship to consider what those particular weaknesses are, because that will reveal the most potent weapons against them and enable their defeat. I include salient facts regarding censorship attempted on the OP for your consideration.
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thank you for the edit advice. I implimented it.
Perhaps it is because I come from somewhere else, but he makes a valid point that hate speech should be prevented from spreading. By greying out posts like this post about free speech (irony) the likelihood of them spreading becomes less, meaning that less people will know about freezepeach. But in the case of hate speech we would want that to happen. My country did an entire world war because some guy's hate speech got viral. Now hate speech is illegal in my country. And you see examples of hate speech here in the comments "anti vaxxers should be shot". this is asking for violence against antivaxers. If that person was in Germany he could go to court. I dont agree with their examples of hatespeech though in the video, but I think that is also point of the video that hate speech can be something else for everyone. And strangely you are the second who told me yesterday something along the lines of vox being propaganda. Except their meteorite video that says mega tons is a unit of energy (facepalm) i actually am happy with their videos. Their hillary video showed a lot of good atributes of hillary but as a foreigner it did not help me understand why americans hate hilary.
Thank you for pointing out this post about him manipulating the market. It seems quite a similar thing to why elon musk got sued for a tweet, except bernie does it in a less subtle way while he is low profile.
You and I strongly disagree as to hate speech. If you aren't free to express your hatred of me you cannot speak freely. Only hate speech is free speech. As to Hitler, I think you've been sold a bill of goods. Your education may not have informed you of the reasons the German people loved Hitler, but it certainly was not because he spoke hatred. Consider that Germany went from one of the poorest people in the world to one of the most wealthy in three years.
Have you ever read of the Weimar Republic, and the revolution after WWI? Have you knowledge of the devastating financial oppression that the Treaty of Versailles encumbered - even starving some of them to death - the German people with? Have you actually ever read anything Hitler ever said? You would not follow a madman frothing at the mouth with hatred, and neither would - or did - any of your countrymen.
Hate speech did not make Germany great enough to almost conquer the world. You have been lied to. You should find out what lies you have believed, because they are dangerous to you, for example by making you believe hate speech is a threat of any kind, and preventing you from actually considering points those speakers make, because anger is the child of fear, and almost every case of words that denigrate others have a very good reason to be spoken.
Tell me if I have shared any hate speech with you. I will hear you out, and no matter what you say, you will not endanger me.
May g-d cause his face to shine upon you.
minorities were blamed and dehumanized in public eyes. people thought it was the same to mistreat a jew as it would be to mistreat a rat. i value humans and i dont think people deserve to be dehuminized or threatened. violent threats undermine free speech and are not arguments you can argue against. in order to keep free speech we need to provide an enviroment where one can have discussions without fear of violence.
Not in the text of the speech you read, but in the words of the leaders of the murderous Bolshevists that so degraded Weimar Germany, starved tens of millions to death in the Ukraine but a few years before Hitler spoke before the Reichstag, and went on to slaughter tens of millions more across the world in later decades, facts indelibly ground into the memories and lives of the German people of the day.
The defeat of the German people struggling to oppose this bloodthirstly juggernaut is what has perpetuated that barbaric slaughter, which continues today across the ME, and which Europe is being prepped for presently, by forcibly inflicting on it's peoples hordes of folks from cultures and nations that have suffered exactly such deprivation and destruction at the sole option of those nations, and who cannot assimilate, but who intend to conquer instead.
Your failure to grasp real history conceals from you those forces and machinations that threaten your life, and the lives of your people, existentially today. Ask yourself what truth needs to be protected from inquiry by imposing prison sentences on anyone that doubts it? Why are the German, British, and European peoples first disarmed, and then jailed for speaking their minds?
Your instincts tell you that each of us interprets reality per the view and experience we have of it, and should be able to state that view freely, yet your indoctrination and the incessant propaganda that has pounded your mind since birth has forced you to support unimpeachable overlords dependent on a cowed populace unable to consider their crimes and oppose them.
Reading actual history, and not the propaganda spewed by the mouthpieces of your enemies, will enable you to realize that speech has no value unless it is free, and cannot harm you no matter how hateful the speaker or their words. A moment is all it takes to realize that the more rabid and maniacal the speech, the less convincing it is. It is not hate speech that enabled Germany to rise from the ashes they were sentenced to by the Versaille Treaty to become in less than a decade perhaps the most powerful nation of the day, but the truth about their enemies, and what to do about it.
Organizations in Germany and across Europe had made every effort to destroy Germany, intended to exterminate them, and demonstrated a very real ability to do so were they not successfully opposed, and those organizations were controlled by nominally ethnic Jews. In the speech I posted Hitler points out that it was a very small percentage of Jews that did this, and this reveals that he did not believe the race, the religion, or the ethnic group to be the cause itself, but that Judaism was being used to conceal a predatory institution intent on the destruction of Germany, and indeed, a true record exists of exactly that being done. Your enemies have provided your indoctrination.
May g-d bless you and keep you.
also, aktion t4 - hitler was no angel and just because he wanted peace with britain (and therefore the united states) didn't mean he didn't want to conquer everything to his east and south.
bullshit everywhere as far as i can tell, some truths here and there, but everyone's lied to and about, and the webs of deceit run deep and complex. we are where we are, at the precipice of economic collapse, probably wars and civil wars, unrest and looting at least, collapse of governments and law and order in many countries, and then the rise of the dude who's going to make it all better for the masses.
get out of the cities or suffer the consequences. peace.