I've been holding back on speaking out about this guy. Okay, so I flag some of his posts to remove a few cents of the hundreds of dollars he makes on each, but that wasn't really hurting him. I've also voted up others who have been flagged by him to help them recover some of their reputation.
Today I find he has cancelled out my rewards for the last week. Note that none of these posts were about him. This is just out of spite.
You may know that he rarely votes up anyone else. He uses his votes on himself and flags any critics. 99% of his votes are from his tame whale.
I hate to see conflict here, but I encourage people to reduce his rewards. That is one of the listed reasons for flagging. Alternatively you can delegate to a bot like @flagthedonkey to do it for you.
I'm annoyed by this, but it's not like I rely on my Steemit income. My reputation is high enough that he can't really hurt it. He's just depriving others of rewards. At least it reduces his voting power.
I'm breaking a habit and voting up my flagged posts to recover something, but it may not be enough to get any rewards on some of them.
Peace and love.
You can pretend all you want of being the victim of my downvotes. I NEVER downvote without cause. You've not only been constantly downvoting me but persistently upvoting @kimjungpoo (proof below). Your misplaced sense of rightousness is uncouth! That makes you a racist by providing supportive upvotes of racist memes!
I was wondering if you would leave a comment to try and justify your actions. You can trust that I have been weighing my votes carefully. Not sure I've been called 'uncouth' before :)
I have downvoted you for the same reason as most other due to disagreeing with your rewards, but the 10% vote I used would barely be noticeable to someone who makes about as much in a week as I've made in 2 years. I just felt some need to do something to ensure a better spread of rewards on Steemit. I reserve most of my voting power to support others, including those you have flagged. I think the only times I have self-voted in the last year are to counter your flags.
I'll accept that the Kim Jung Poo comments may be in bad taste, but it made me smile. How I vote has nothing to do with race and in your case has nothing to do with the content of your posts.
Your actions in mass flagging everything some people post is bullying in my eyes. My posts did not even mention you, but you took away about as much as you have given yourself on this comment. Destroying the reputation of others who just want a better Steemit is just not a nice thing to do. I would have some sympathy if I saw you helping others.
I don't expect my actions to have any affect on what you do, but I've been cheered up by the overwhelmingly positive responses I've had.
Go in peace.
The problem isn't as much how much he earns but how little he shares.
About kimjungpoo comments, I don't care if it's racist it's being used as harassment and should not be encouraged.
The goalposts keep moving on why the people hate haejin.
Actually it's really simple. He gets all of his earnings from one account. If it weren't for his partnership with the @ranchorelaxo account he would have about 1 - 5 $ on each of his posts. We are removing potential rewards as we have the tools to do so, it's built into the system to prevent this type of abuse. It's called a downvote.
He was earning 10-20 per post and getting 2000+ views before he started receiving RR upvotes. Quit lying.
You realize you can fake views pretty easily right? It's not rocket science, you just have to refresh the page. Also, do you know how to do math? Because we do. Once you minus Rancho and HJ's vote he's left with next to nothing. And yes, that's without flags.
He made 20$ a few times because of random accounts upvoting his shit, like mangos and alexis555, hell even Bernie gave him a couple upvotes before the scam started between him and rancho.
He has to downvote everything I say because he knows I'm right.
More like because you talk racist shit
I kind of expected it, but H returned to flag my post at the last moment. He couldn't cancel all the reward. Leaves him less power to flag others
Like I've said now so many umpteen times: IF you trolls back off your downvotes, my self upvotes will correlate. HOW IS THAT SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?
FYI, I had already stopped flagging you when you made that comment.
I see, just read this. @done and his posse still at it! IF they back off; my upvotes rise.
If i could ask a simple question.. They are your upvotes to do with them as you wish, (others will agree/disagree, doesnt matter. Thats how the system is set up right now)
.... But, dont you think that by upvoting someone else and spreading a bit of that to someone thats not neccessarily openly supporting you, you could reduce the hate?
Just a suggestion.
Nobody gives a shit about your weak ass self votes, go back to fucking your goat, I mean, your wife...
That's a really good point!
Racist memes make you smile... good to know.
Haejin is Korean and Kim is from the other Korea. It could be far worse, but race should not enter into discussion
They are of the same ethnicity with an artificial border between the two countries.
Race shouldn't enter into the discussion, but apparently if they are used against an adversary it makes you smile.
I suppose that is human, but not very virtuous.
Nobody is perfect. At least I'm not flagging the world to suppress discussion.
I won't flag you
You say that like the side you follow doesnt use flagging to suppres people's comments when the truth is quite to the contrary
A while ago I asked @berniesanders if he doesnt think that his reputation bellow zero isnt a sign that his actions are unwanted here for which he destroyed my reputation in a attempt to silence me I have also been receiving threats from other following him like @dang007 and trying to tell me what posts im allowed to read!
Laughable and pitiful!
That's the most idiotic, asinine statement I've ever seen in writing!
That's not what he said, you're putting words in his mouth.
Here here!
Why would he give to a community thats constantly attacking him with racist slander?
Users like @dang007 @berniesanders making threats to users for reading his posts?
Its like being suprised a jew wouldnt contribute to Hitlers political campaign before WW2
It's not appropriate to get racist over this. I thought the comics posted were more satirical. He does himself no favours by attacking any critics. He's trying to scare people so they don't dare to flag him. If he showed any signs of wanting to be a better member of the community he would get some sympathy.
Let's not resort to comparison to Nazis. Nobody is going to die from flagging.
But why would he want to be a better member of a group of people treating him this way?
Would you?
Comparing those beheviour to nazis pre ww2 is very accurate
Hitler got his general support thanks to telling the masses they are poor because jews hold the wealth
Haejin earns a lot so lets destroy him the'll be more for us
Isnt that whats repeated time after time by your side???
'My side' is just me, but others have a similar attitude. I've met plenty who could make more, but choose to help others. Why wouldn't I favour them over someone who rarely does that? I'm not including Bernie as I really don't know what drives him.
The Nazis were truly evil. This is mostly just about money. See Godwin's Law.
Re goodwins law:
What can I say hitler makes a good punchline and also I believe its the same social mechanism at play here
Any chance you read "atlas shrugged" by Ayn Rand?
I very much see haejin as an industrialist while his atackers believe they deserv things because they want/need them rather then working to achieve them.
@berniesanders is a nazi and he is pure evil scum.
I'll have a look.
I agree with you would be great to have haejin supporting the community but this as I said earlier is no way to achieve it.
If we'd remove people like sanders from the equation thered be hope of change
As it is I'm afraid you are seen as just another face in a ugly racist mob! ( I believe youre not but as you I only represent my own unpopular opinion)
If id say in court I thought it would be funny to say to my black employee
Hows it going my nigga!
I dont think that would help my case much!
Do you?
Just look at the recent trial of a bloke who taught his dog to lift its paw to the command sieg heil he did it for a joke and got senteced non the less!
More self voting while attacking others for doing so!
Typical of you hypocrites!!
You're worried about 5 cents? When my steemworld looks like this, you'll have a bit of an argument.
5 cents is way more than your person is worth
You are failing to see that there is a bigger problem here than haejin...
Idk if the kimjongpoo memes are racist or if you are transitively racist but the way bernie operates is simply unacceptable for steem. The number of users and investment he has driven away outweighs any damage haejin may be doing by upvoting himself. And to that point- we should focus on the bigger evil here.
Bernie is spamming flags and comments on every user who interacts with haejin's content.. which is probably encouraging haejin to upvote himself and flag his enemies.
He also spam flags many others, (including myself) merely for stating opinions he doesn't like.
Haejin seems reasonable to me. If someone creates a smart plan to minimize his upvotes and adhere to a certain amount of income, I am sure he would be open to it.
And I think executing such a plan would be a lot easier if there wasn't a whale dedicated to trolling him and hundreds of other users.
Bernie is a loose cannon, but he does some good. What H does is pure greed. It's nothing to do with what the community likes. He's been offered some options, but he just carries on.
in my humble opinion, I do not think that the issue of haejin will be solved until the real problem in bernie is solved.
Bernie has done some good, though I often think it is a facade.. to hide the fact he is incredibly abusive. Look at @abusereports. For every spammer bernie flags there is a good steemian he tries to drive from the platform.
I stand by this statement. If bernie was out of the picture, I think @haejin could be worked with to limit his upvote abuse.
Absolutely. Prior to seeing your post I had posted something similar.
I got flagged purely for leaving a comment on Haejin's IBM TA; for someone like me, that makes a big difference. I am new to this platform and was shocked when I saw that.
Haejin does good work, even if it is clear he has a selfish streak. He makes plenty of money, but does not want to upvote the newer readers, as he gets little back from us.
Having said that, I vote purely on content and I will continue to upvote Haejin on that basis.
You are so right bernie just got done flagging all my content because I disagreed with him. Says it was because I was up voting my own content but he does the same thing. I choose to power down and move my investment somewhere else to earn rewards that don't get censored and stolen from me. Bernie is a huge hypocrite.
Same thing happened to me @berniesanders is a racist hypocrite who deserves a gas chamber though that would be an all to humane end for him
By him doing some good what do you mean?
All he does is upvote his own posts while shouting about others doing so
People like @berniesanders are the real problem!
If it wasnt @haejin at the top youd be attacking somebody else with a different excuse but for the same reason. Envy!
Haejin is not the only person abusing Steemit, but he's the most visible. I don't support all that Bernie does, but I think that reigning in some of the biggest earners is good for steemit
@Haejin is one of the big earners but he does it openly has nothing to hide about how he gets his rewards
People like sanders have multiple accounts behind which they are hidding while abusing the system with multiple self votes
Now which is worse?
Racist? Try fucking hilarious.
You're a turd that needs to be flushed.
I realy wish I could meet you in real life you piece of racist shit
Overall I have to agree with Haejin. I have left comments before and found that @Kimjumgpoo downvotes ALL comments left on his posts. Franklin flagging others' comments is disgusting and against the spirit of what steemit is about.
Upvoting Kimjongpoo shows a lack of respect for other users, as he affects our reputation just because of his dislike for Haejin. Also the title of his character is clearly meant to be racist as it is targeted at a Korean.
I will agree however that I have rarely seen Haejin upvote others.
Care to explain why you downvoted my satirical post about renaming Steemit to Haejinit? Because you say you never downvote without cause, yet you downvoted my post. Was it too honest? I want to know the reason.
You're the most powerful person on this site and your flags can be damaging, especially to someone relatively new to Steemit like myself.
@haejin
This is the internet. This is social media. You need to have thicker skin than this. If stupid cartoons that say racist $#!t are going to make you feel all butthurt, you should stay off of the internet.
It's fair to say that @haejin is like cancer to whole Steem project.
In my experience he does excactly what @steevc explained in his post.
I have seen plenty of proof where people who downvoted his post in order to adjust the value of the content which brings to Steem and got downvoted by large amounts theirself as a result. Many people don't dare to flag him again when they experienced this once.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that his content has zero value but way overvalued in it's current state.
It seems that large stakeholders of Steem (missing @ned 's opinion on this discussion) doesn't care about content and a fair distribution of the reward pool.
Guess that @dan will have best chances in letting people leave Steem into his new Steem competitor on EOS, when people realize that the reward pool distribution system on Steem has failed because of greed...
I am worried that people will leave for a platform they consider to be fairer. Then watch the Steem price plummet. This platform has great potential and short term greed threatens that.
I'm actually waiting for that platform, there are few tries but nothing close to steem yet. But eventually, it will come.
About the subject, I don't appreciate what this haejin guy does but the problem is not himself, the system is broken and he's just making his way. Those who look like angel goes and uses bid bot or self-votes or votes their alts on 7th day...
There are many problems to make newcomers give up on steem, and if it wasn't haejin it will be the second guy who earns the most.
I've been here for 4 months and when I first come here everywhere was flooded by haejin and bernie.. It's four months of pool rape and flag wars instead of trying to build something.
And since we are playing with real money here, if you go and piss a billionare's garden, he come back and buy your whole neighbourhood.
And here is my worthless upvotes to help you cover.
There are many people trying to make something good here. The greedy ones are a distraction and eventually their influence will decrease. This is the wild west and it's up to us to build the platform we want.
No its racist pigs like @berniesanders and @dang007 that are driving people away.
A story of sucsess like @haejin is something that would attract newcomers giving them hope that they can achieve something here.
Instead they can see how the "community" treats you if you dare to achieve!
Yep, that's what I think will happen soon when there is a good alternative.
Haejin has no interest other than greed - if you would care about Steem, he would start to curate good content of other authors too.
In this picture you will see, how he uses his power in order to punish those who dare to disagree on how he abuses the system:
If it's somekind of encouragement for you: You are not alone!
One could say "Don't hate the player, hate the game!" - guess this is somehow true.
In my opinion there are 3 possible outcomes:
I don't think the last possibility will happen, that's why I'am currently thinking to sell all my stake and wait for a better platform which will evolve soon.
Lets hope something better comes along soon.
Bad apples like bernie run people off that's what ruins it.
I've had no issues with Bernie so far, but he is a loose cannon. As a prominent Steemian who seems to want respect I think haejin could behave better. He's not earning friends
I am finally shocked - down voting one of the most supportive members of this platform, someone that is do anything to support good content, helping newbies and minnows, never self upvotes, never uses bid bots now becomes downvoted by the richest person on this platform? This is ridiculous honestly.
Given the reputation which is now set in stone and the unbelievable rewards daily will maintain that way one could say the experiment Steemit is DEAD. Time to Power Down or a new HF to avoid such dictatorship. What can be down behind curtains or on the blockchain!? Wasn't there certain agreements already? Where are the big whales and witnesses to prevent something like this? @ned @dan @berniesanders @ausbitbank @blocktrades - what can be done now? This is a sad day for Steemit!
Bring back the rules of max 4 or better 2 posts per day!
This has been going on for some time. Luckily my rep can survive his flagging and has already recovered thanks to the generosity of this community.
I think some mistakes have been made in the design of Steemit and perhaps some can be fixed in future hardforks, but a lot of damage has already been done. A lot of people feel disenfranchised as they see certain people get rich whilst they get nothing. I don't think it's the end as long as some of us keep doing what we think is right.
very good comments.
Power down, sell when the price is right.
I don't have any other advice as this point. Nobody gives a fuck.
@ned? @dan? @blocktrades? give me a break...they don't give a shit about making this place better...what the fuck have they done lately?
Two of them delegate to shitty users quite often. The other claims that he at least tried to change the rest of STINC’s mind to not change the protocols that made this current environment what it is.
But these guys don’t appear to be doing much of anything on Steem/Steemit. Still waiting on communities, a mobile app, improved onboarding, “world-class” documentation, and marketing...you know...the things they said they would deliver in 2017. And now they added SMTs to the list.
Nothing delivered yet. Plenty of promises and I guess what you might be able to call “hype.” That’s about it.
Meanwhile...the platform burns from the piss-poor hard fork changes from last spring that they refuse to acknowledge are a huge fucking problem.
That’s probably the best advice anyone can give right now, especially if you’re someone who needs the money. This place is what it is and there aren’t enough non-scammy douchebags who want to change it.
Yeah - I share most of your comments @ats-david - I actually still had kind of faith in the platform even we know certain things are f...ed - simply as there are still people trying to change something and where i had the feeling some people take care a bit about this thing - today was just a shock see someone gets flagged for nothing in my point of view from someone owning more power than the owners or the big stakeholders - maybe it is not dead yet! I got some people telling me the platform will survive and is not going to be killed by one raper - haejin is not the one that started raping - he used the existing system in an intelligent way - so blame the ones that created the environment!
I hope the good people here will keep going. Some are not out to get rich. Steemit is a great platform to empower the world and we'd hate to see that wasted due to a few greedy folk. Ned has his own agenda and wants to stay out of the squabbling.
haha, they helped a lot with memes. Both such a start lately.
This is the sad reality - these guys with the three letter names created this platform I heard? In Germany we would say - if all users come together (small and big) and handle this daily with a little of their Voting Power - Der Drops wäre gelutscht! Thanks @berniesanders - I have the fear in 6 months the reward pool left for all others might be under 50%........
This whole BS is so ridiculous that it’s hard to stay motivated.
It hurts me what I observe! Bad actors wherever you look going after loyal people like Steve! What a shame!
I could only upvote with my 💯 % to help just a little bit @steevc
So Sorry you have been attacked by this guy Steve, he obviously doesn't know how much you support other people and encourage positive use of the steemit platform. Flagging like this makes me sad :( Steemit is not the positive place it once was
Thanks. I think the responses here show there are plenty of good people on steemit
There are tons of good people here, I hope the 'flagging war' situation is resolved soon or we will lose them and that would be a real shame
This really is the ugly side of Steemit. if people like him keep doing this then in time something else will come along that overcomes this problem (another Steemit) and we all lose.
Either something is going to happen, or else the platform will die due to greed. I for one would hate this to happen.
I know you will read this @haejin, look at the bigger picture, do you want all this to end? Am I going to be the next one to be flagged because Im simply showing you the future and what may happen?
I wonder if he can keep up with mentions, but there's a high chance he will flag this. Seems he has time for that, but not to vote up his supporters
Ive been upvoted by haejin many times!
But then again I dont post racist slander under his posts.
Would you donate to a charity collector who walks up to you throwing shit in your face?
And before you accuse me of writting this in hope of profit anything I say to whoever literally gets downvoted to zero by @berniesanders goon squad.
If it has anything to do with this discussion or any other topic so think about that before complaining about being downvoted by @haejin as I believe your getting mixed up cause and effect.
You seem to be motivated by genuine care (even if misguided In my opinion) for the platform rather than as in the case of sanders and many in his group by diverting attention so they can stuff their own pockets while the attention of genuine carers is diverted elsewhere
I have not much to add. You are a pillar of Steemit society, Steve, and flag wars are stupid.
Hi @steevc. I appreciate this post very much and yes it is difficult to see this type of behavior. I believe that over time people like him will be outed but we have to bide our time and be careful how we approach it in the meantime. The platform no matter how it is configured will have to allow for some bad behavior. He is exploiting the workings at the moment but this will change over time perhaps. Another thing to consider is that Steemit also encourages those interested in getting a return other their investment to be on the platform. When I see people like Haejin this is what comes to mind. The platform is built for him as well as those looking to progress with good comment. I might be wrong but changing things too much might discourage those who come here to invest. Stay strong.
Cheers. I appreciate the freedom here, but it allows him to do what he does. We need the community to act to deal with such issues.
Yeah, I don't think waiting is going to solve anything.
Waiting got us in this mess.
Face it, whales have failed us.
The only way to fix things is for people under them to start flagging more.
I say flag a whale at least once a day, wake them up.
As mentioned above, I am totally against upvoting Kimjungpoo, as it is against the spirit of what Steemit is supposed to be about and he downvotes everyone, including minows like myself.
Having said that I totally agree with you that more needs to be done to avoid a handful of individuals benefiting at the expense of others who also post good content.
Being relatively new, I am not sure what the solution should be, but I would be very sad to see Steemit fail as I love the platform.
I hope a solution is found soon, as seeing these flame wars is not something that I enjoy.
I think we should support those doing things we like. We smaller players cannot deal with the big abusers. I hope things will work out
I agree but things are so interconnected and dealing with things takes time to figure out because they will certainly have other implications above just him. Perhaps give it some time and keep doing your thing.
I think it is a shame to mis-use power like this and 'steal or kill' rewards like this. Although I like the liberty of this platform, these kind of things are a real pain in the !@# , with the wrong intensions you can break or make some-one.... In Holland we say 'To puge' ..... I will help you were I can Steve !!
Who is his tame whale, and can we persuade him to stop supporting haejin?
Ultimately though, this issue needs Ned or Dan to step in with a massive downvote on his account. Sadly Dan has gone and only pops in once every few months, but perhaps you can contact Ned?
You can see who gives him the big votes and many suspect he controls that account too.
Ned must know about the issues, but he chooses to not get involved. Dan has his own plans and probably doesn't care what happens to steemit.
Well, judging by this - clearly a dick and enjoys his whale power. Some blockchains create monsters, prime example here. What can we do though ?
It would take hundreds of small players to dent his income. They are scared of retaliation like this. Delegating to the flagging bots is one option, but we really need whale support. He won't dare to attack them. I know I have good people following me who will support me.
Remember refken, he was flagged till he left the platform. I wonder if that could happen here.
I expect others will leave, but I'm sticking around.
BTW I'm not voting on your comment as you already did so.
Fine with me. I vote for all comments all replies and all post I comment on. I want this to be more like Reddit.
Why? If they have value then others will vote. Opinions differ on this. I only voted on mine to counter the flag
I think the value is in activity. Anyone taking the time to comment should get something unless it’s a worthless or irrelevant comment. Of course by power is so low it doesn’t make a big difference. I use 100 pct out of laziness.
Also if you don’t think your post has value why comment? If you do why not vote?
Me too, I refuse to be bullied off a platform by anyone, including minnows and whales.
Why did you even think to downvote that comment @Haejin?
Haejin engaging with his audience with comments and upvotes would solve a lot of the backlash he receives but to go after someone like yourself disgusts me and is nothing less than vindictive. I personally do not follow or read any of Haejins posts and it baffles me that his following is so large, you have true followers unlike Haejin and are a great role model.
With all the brilliant minds here on Steemit, it is difficult to imagine nothing can be done. Alas for your pain; 100% upvote... a small contribution.
Cheers. It's a fact of life here, but I've been cheered up by all the support I've had today
The witnesses have to push changes in the code. This is a structural problem. It would only take 3 or 4 accounts behaving like this to destroy the platform. An easy way for a competing project to bring this one down. Who wants to be on a platform with bullies? And vote-buying bots rather than people.
my solidariety and a couple of 100% upvotes (not so much but better than nothing), Steve :)
Thanks. I expect he will flag me again for speaking out. I don't care so much about the money, but people need to know what he's like
@holoz0r copped similar earlier.
Now he has the highest rep, nobody can bring it down, @themarkymark has been posting about it.
Where do we go from here? Do we need to upvote a champion to lvl 80, so he can chop haejin back down to size?
As it stands now, rep is meaningless outside of flagging and impression to new users and outside audience.
Unless youre score goes under 10 and can't post any images
Only whales can dent his rep. We can support those he attacks.
Actually, this is not true, no one can change his rep in the downward direction.
That's a shame. It shouldn't be able to get that high if the votes are mostly from one account. I suppose we need someone to get a higher rank and flag him.
I fully expect him to flag this post too, but I felt I had to say something.
As I keep reading these posts, I am coming to realise I did not fully understand the full implications. I still am against kimjungpoo as I think it was unfair to flag me for an innocent comment; however I did not realise that haejin nearly only voted for himself.
I won't flag him, but I have now removed him from my followed list and will not upvote him in future.
Why is it possible to upvote your own posts?
To counteract flagging perhaps. Even if it was not allowed people could do it using proxies. Some do it purely for profit. I only use it if I get flagged
So if you use it for when u get flagged why do you hold it against haejin when he uses it the same way?
I think it might be a good idea to decouple self-upvotes from being able to have an impact on boosting your own reputation score, as well as bid-bots. IDK how that would be done, or if it could be done, in a hard-fork? That way, a rich @$$hole can't just come into this space and buy themselves instant "reputation."
I mean, take a guy like @papa-pepper - here from the start, did a lot of hard work, learning how to do good posts, promoting contests, "giving it away" almost as much as he got it. How can some puke like @haejin even be mentioned in the same category as papa pepper? He can't.
The simple fact is that the SteemIt reputation score doesn't really mean a whole lot. Look at @berniesanders. Love him or hate him, most anyone who's been around SteemIt knows something about him. He's also a 'celebrity' on this platform - albeit one who obviously got eaten and spit out by a whale, at some point in his past.
Apparently your rep can only be damaged by those with a higher rep, which might be the reason for the sudden spike in retaliation flags.
I'm so sorry! I hate to see how bad people use their power to try to control the freedom of oter people and that user are doing this: he try to close the mouth of people if people do something he doesn't like! It's just violence and it's really a dark side of this cozy community! Now it's really too much time that this user use to flag people who don't appreciate his behaviour here, I think it's really time to stem this bad behaviour!!!
I hope more of the community will take some action. This behaviour is bad for steemit
A little support vote from me...
not big, but still ;-)
As a great steemian once mentioned: " We have a hygiene - problem"
Haha, time to clean the fridge.
Cheers. I do love this community. That's what keeps me going.
I don't like unlimited ability to self vote but but it is a part of Steemit and I'm okay with it.
However, I think that ability to easily flag everyone and wipe their rewards for no valid reasons is not good for this platform...
People will never say their real opinions if they fear devastating flags.
I think some amount of flags should be needed (5?) for posts to actually get flagged or some other abuse preventing mechanisms should be implemented.
There's a lack of restrictions on what we can do, but people would try to work around limits anyway. You could self-vote indirectly through proxies. I object to bullying behaviour. People have a right to flag here, but abusing it like this is uncalled for.
Sorry, I can support you, but I can't support anything that I suspect of being connected to youknowwhosanders. Good luck taking down youknowwhojin, I hope he's taken down soon.
I have no connection with Bernie and I don't think the flagging bot does either. It was created by @hendrix22 who was tired of being flagged. Bernie does some good stuff, but I don't know his motives
I was referring to the bot, and hendrix22 is o.k. as far as I know. Thank you.
@flagthedonkey and @weflaghaejin are all run by @hendrix22.
Thank you for doing this! One of his initiatives killed @waterloolaw's account. After just posting multiple legit articles - a little enthusiastically I admit. Now she gets flagged for every post and comment. Sadly leaving Steem forever.
It's sad to see good people chased away. I just felt I had to speak out. It may earn me another flag, but at least it reduces his voting power
He greatly sucks, but you knew that already. I have upvoted some of your flagged posts, not that you will notice much financially, but the intention was good 8-).
Thanks for your support. This has been an interesting experience. You get to see the true nature of people under stress
It's not always pretty.
I can see both sides of this argument because I've been a victim of both sides when I've commented on things in @haejin posts.
If I said something good, I was down voted by everyone who hated Haejin. If I said something bad, or offered differing analysis than what Haejin was offering, I was down voted by accounts that support Haejin. How is that fair? I was simply being honest and giving my own opinion. If you don't like it, than don't vote for it...but it shouldn't be down voted.
The truth is, I don't understand why there are downvotes at all. If content is bad, people won't read it or upvote it. Why do we need down votes?
On one hand, downvotes just give whales the power to destroy anyone they see as a threat. It basically gives whales a monopoly. They can destroy the competition.
On the other hand, it also gives people who are jealous of others success a way to hurt them simply for making good content. Just because you're successful doesn't mean you should be punished.
I say let the free market decide. Stop allowing people to down vote content. A lack of upvotes should be good enough. Also, if you're worried about people only up-voting themselves, why not cap the amount of upvotes you can give yourself? Why not penalize users who have more than a 60% self upvote? This would incentivize people to upvote others and not just themselves.
I'm fairly new here so I don't pretend to have all the answers. I'm just brainstorming. While I certainly don't like the idea of only a few people having a monopoly on steemit, I also don't like the idea of down voting very successful person simply because you feel they're too successful. There has to be a way to keep it fair without down voting. Just my 2 cents...maybe I'm wrong.
Flagging has uses, some of which are displayed when you do it. I and others think haejin doesn't warrant the rewards he gives himself. We want to see others get a better share
I can understand...and I agree. That's why I suggested maybe changing the rules so someone can only give themselves a certain percentage of upvotes. I just think if you are able to downvote people, this problem will continue. I think the rules on Steemit need to change. Get rid of down voting as well as the ability to upvote yourself more than a certain amount. Maybe make it so no more than 60% of your upvotes can go to yourself. Just a thought.
People would get around this with multiple accounts. It's not simple to fix. I still support keeping flagging as a moderation tool, even though it has been used against me. The community has supported me
I just think down voting gives whales the ability to destroy any competition...but I see your point. You're right, there's not a simple fix.
poopy behaviour. just poopy. sorry to hear that @steevec.
Welcome to the club!
Ouch. So that's why you have hidden posts now. :(
I'm afraid so. I was able to vote since back to visibility. I only do that to counter flags
@steevc dear a boy ,down voted me and that become a reason that my rank become stucked ...what can i do ?
Just keep doing good stuff and others will support you. We are too small to really fight him
thanks
the "flag wars" have started
They have been going on a while. I'm stepping down for now
ah ok. i always say @haejin as a positive long term member. he probably has his version of truth too. Since when this bullying is going on? Weeks or months?
Imortant to know for me as I sell steemit as a platform of positive people here in Germany.
He's done this a long time, but usually he goes after smaller fish he can crush. Steemit still has lots of good people and some will deal with him. He doesn't do much for the platform as he just takes. 99% of his rewards are from his own accounts
So he massively bought steem AT the beginng?
I assume so. Some people were able to mine it early on when that was an option.
did someone challenge him for a talk online? Some people loose their bullying behaviour when they face th public.
what app is that you are using? So he flagged you?
That's Steemnow
https://steemnow.com/@steevc
@steevc , can i flagging haejin??
You can do what you like, but it's a risk he will strike back
it's a right concept of steemit platform
resteem done
Yes, haejin is an @$$. But, you do have to hand it to him: he is very successfully robbing the rewards pool. He would insist that he's being rewarded for creating good, consistent content & developing an audience - and, he could make that point. Except for one thing: he upvotes himself with 94.1% of his voting power. That's just plain greedy, compared to how the vast majority of Steemians give a significantly higher percentage of upvotes to other people who are creating good content.
As far as him dogging your payouts this week: if you mess with the bull, you get the horns. I've tangled very softly with haejin myself, and taken a couple of downvotes from him. But, I am careful to make an honest attempt at commenting on his posts & the overall disagreement that many people have with his behavior on this platform.
Unfortunately, haejin does not uphold the Steemian spirit that this platform was created with. I believe it's intended to be equally balanced between making a profit and helping others to do the same. Win - Win, right? Well, haejin has created a Win - Lose situation. He's an @$$, but there are still a good number of people following him. They're probably newer users who don't know any better.
He's a celebrity, but that doesn't make him a good person. I just want people to see what he's really like. Expect this post to get flagged too
Well, I am a firm believer that people can change. However, if there's a money incentive not to change... This is for bigger Whales and people like a group of Witnesses to handle. I am sure they could change/limit haejin through rules changes in the next hard fork of the Steem blockchain, but it's a shame it would have to come to something like that. Those kinds of things always seem to have unintended consequences and create new ways or strategies for people to game the system.
RESTEEMED.
See his reply, with hefty vote, above. I doubt he will give up his money mine.
His amount of followers means nothing, have you ever seen the comments on his posts? He hardly gets any community interaction. Most of his followers are dust accounts. I see people with tonnes less followers get WAYYYY more comments and interaction on their posts. Everything about the @haejin account is fake, the views the followers, look below the surface, there are only like 4 or 5 people on STEEM that actually support him, out of 30,000 strong? 30,000 WEAK lol.
Im curious to know how organic his followers are.
Somebody should find out. :D
I doubt many of them are real. Thanks for your support today.
Time to bridge the healz on this issue.
Holy flying fucknuggets this war is still ongoing?
OUCH
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incredible, this is very entertaining reader, I really like it go on friend
Thank you for everything you are doing, I'll help you spread the word! <3 <3 <3 You seriously rock @steevc. A man with character and a backbone!!
Cheers. I think some fights are worth fighting. I want this to be a good place for everyone who plays fair
Definitely, my downvote is only worth 60 cents, and I can only give HJ'in a couple a day because I like to be able to still upvote in the community, he came twice in this last week and removed 180.00 of my potential earnings.
Play fair? He don't know the meaning of that. He just wants to suck this place as dry as he can with his promobot @ranchorelaxo that he pays for off the blockchain, yet has the gall to complain about people using promo bots lolol! Such a sad little man he is.
You can delegate to @flagthedonkey so your flags are less obvious. If enough people do that it will have an impact
Oh yeah, I've always been a delegator, first 5,000 to @steemlegion, and then when they stopped flagging I transferred it to @hendrix22, @weflaghaejin and @flagthedonkey. Later when the donkey started flagging me anyways, even though I never made a direct hit, I took some SP back and started flagging him myself, I still have a couple thousand between hendrix and weflaghaejin.
Wololo!
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When I discussed my flag, I compared it to having my lunch taken. I had penned a longer response to your post; inclusive of some theories, but I clicked back and my browser didnt save it.
Thanks for the mention of flagthedonkey. Looks like a decent initiative.
I think he hopes to scare us off. He will probably flag this post, but I hope a lot of people see it first. We have to show what he is like
Join the ranks, we need to stick together.
Cheers. I hope people can help you recover your rep
yeah..haejin.....
falgging..
great to share..
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