What myth do you think you toppled with this post?
What you described here is exactly what everyone had in mind. Everyone knowing about it hardly makes it secret and slack members can derive great value for themselves from their membership, as we have seen already. Exclusive job opportunities, developing trust and connections with major stake holders and witnesses.
Getting your "name" known is one of the biggest obstacles on HIVE each one of us has to overcome. The slack "establishes you", its like a badge you carry around no matter how much you might want to disagree..
There are numerous benefits of being in the slack group. Its actually the most beneficial group you can be part of on HIVE. Besides opportunity, you are a part of the decision making process.
There is also a correlation between getting funded and being in the slack group. I actually see it as almost a prerequisite for getting funded with the DAO.
I'm not answering you and I don't expect to get a reply from you. I'm talking generally with everyone:
All decisions are made on the official gitlab or on the chain. All you have to do is to check posts by @blocktrades as usually, he posts everything there.
We understand that there is no 1 person making decisions. The more stake you have, the more you should be in the part of making a decision. You can't ignore the large stakeholders and in the meantime, you can't trust a person who is not in the game to decide for the game's future.
Also, you can't force people to participate in a development work or help make decisions. For instance, we can't force @freedom to join a discord group and help us develop the chain. The work is voluntary.
Anyone willing to help the Hive is more than welcome. I'm not the person to make decisions about this topic or anything else. But we can agree as a whole community to trust the votes of the community. The top witnesses are elected by stakeholders, whether you like it or not, they (not all of them and not just top 20) are usually the voluntary workers around here.
Instead of insulting people that are working, look at the stakeholders who choose them. Go ask voters why they vote. Just want to remind the average users who just use Hive as a social media that there are people with more stake than them.
My point is, if you are not aware of ongoing developments and discussions, probably you are just an end-user who just uses Hive as a social media and doesn't participate in the necessary areas. You can't expect people to listen to you and do the free work for you. That's how our world works around here.
If you want to work for free, visit the official GitLab. OR, set up a proposal and see whether stakeholders want to pay for your skills or not.
Don't attack the people who do the work. They are chosen by stakeholders.
You should have picked another comment to write this "general response" to.
What exactly did you counter with this comment? Im sorry, but what youre arguing has nothing to do with me or anyone i know that holds the same position.
Who am i insulting? Im precisely questioning stakeholder behavior.
Im attacking unfair behavior, stupid behavior (cryptofinally drama), wasteful spending, etc.
htedoh da ti posaljem poruku na twiteru al ne mogu. zanima me tvoje misljenje o ovoj zajebanciji jer zaista zelim da vidim drugu stranu. mozda sam pod uticajem ovog sranja koje se desava u okolini pa ne vidim nesto sto bi trebalo da vidim. zasto mi njena prica deluje kao da mi moj voljeni precednik ili premijer pricaju sa tv-a, jer neko ko je skoro 2 godine na platformi, i imao je ozbiljnu podrsku u glasovima, a nikad u zivotu nije kliknuo na upvote, cak ni na komentare u svojim postovima mi ne deluje iskreno u prici o podrsci platformi i ljubavi prema istoj.
Totalno je nebitno za sta i kako koristi platformu. Ako ne vota to ostaje u reward poolu.
Ona je neki influencer i to dosta poznat sa skoro 50k followera. Tribamo takve ljude jer je twitter bitan. Jako malo je takvih i ona je jedna od vecih na twitteru. Potjerati je odavde je najgluplja stvar sta mozemo napravit.
taj deo je ok, i nemam nista protiv, nego mi je prica o ljubavi i brizi malo 🤢 verovatno sam previse osetljiv :D
"Read the transcript":
I mean, how much clearer does it get?
& btw, the post actually does explain "EVERYTHING"
Not sure what part isn't clearly explained.
Apart from conspiracy theories and assumptions, is there anything to back your hear say and allegations?
Unlike Steem, there is no King Dick called "Ned" or his centralized stake all with a centralized jurisdiction entity that can and did serve as a loophole in the ecosystem.
What was the case on Steem, is literally nothing even remotely close to what is "The GO" on Hive.
Why don't you take a gander at Gitlab and compare it to Steem.
Why don't you read what is out there on the relevant channels of communications.
Seriously, make an effort before coming to unfounded and totally bogus conclusions.
No, no they are not made on github. That is preposterous. A framework is set up beforehand and ideas are discussed before they get on Github (might not happen in slack, but does between those from slack), which is understandable and is the case with all and any change with any project, otherwise there would be a lot of wasted time.
Not a single conspiracy theory.
Sure, but there are many "Baron Dicks" as we just saw with the CF drama.
Not a single thing i said is unfounded, its highly logical and can be seen world around when it comes to any societal structure. There is always a core group of people in any and all organization and these structures always lean towards centralization.
Hive the blockchain might be decentralized but "the slack" in relation to the wider community is a centralized point of power. There is no denying and you can twist it any way you want. You can call it "necessary" like guilty parties did in this post but its a fact.
Im not here to criticize its existence. That would be silly because i realize its necessity. Im here to criticize actions of the individuals in it. Their unfair behavior among other things.
All in order that it gets improved over time.
I have no horse in this race outside the wish HIVE "does better".
as long as it doesnt become a circle jerk :))
Just say what you're actually trying to say straight out. You are upset about Justine getting funded through the DHF for exchange listings. She is putting in long hours in negotiations and has gotten all the paid listings down to zero. She jumped into the role without being funded originally in order to help Hive but it's a full-time role. If you want the job for yourself, put in for it. We have a community for these types of postings.
Your "correlation" is BS and I can prove it. I have a proposal out right now, 50 days old now. I own the Slack. Is my proposal funded?
Where did i say being in the slack guarantees funding? Please show me. I said it higly increases your chances and is almost a must if you want a shot at getting funded. It doesnt guarantee it, but increases the chance.
You countered an argument i did not make.
Sure, among other things. I thought that was incredibly obvious to absolutely everyone by now. I said it a 100 times and continue to say it.
She cornered a job no one else outside the group had a chance to get. (is that decentralized?)
She had no qualifications or experience but managed to get the whale support that gave her the legitimacy to move forward. Whale and witness support from the slack group. Many exchanges talk to either major stake holders or project leaders to allow a listing.
Then the amount of 30k was preposterous along side that.
See what the issue is?
This was nontransparent, excessive and unfair.
Lets not be ridiculous. The amount of criticism ive sent towards you lot automatically disqualifies me for anything like that. At one point i considered running a witness actually, it was right about before the Justine drama. I had to make a choice, either say whats right or run a witness. It could not have been both. I chose the first thing.
This is your poor attempt at making the claim: "Oh, but you too can get it, you just need to put in for it." That is not true and you know it.
Another guy put in for it but you didnt like him.
There are many other jobs. The job didn't exist beforehand. It's not like we sat down and made a job description and then hired a person for it. She literally just started listing, just like developers just start developing things like Keychain. Listing isn't easy. I used to attempt to list STEEM and failed many times. It's not just a matter of chatting with a stakeholder and filling out a form. There are AMAs, discussions, technical provisions, market provisions, etc. Constantly getting on the case of one person out of many who has proposals out is absurd. You're overthinking everything about this and if you want to get funded for something you're doing, start doing it and then write up your proposal.
Youre missing the point. And its not only her ive been talking about. Netousos 2 overlapping proposals are another example.
The lack of funding for proposals out of the core dev team as well.
I dont have to make a proposal to see an issue, i can look at others in the list that are struggling to get over the return proposal.
DAO needs a revamp and we need to work on inclusivity.
On her getting the listing... Its basically secretary work and plenty of us have attempted it with Steem, myself included. My argument is that the community is the one that deserves almost all the recognition for the listings. So many listings in such a short amount of time due to our constant pressure and being featured everywhere on twitter and in crypto news for a fairly long time.
The fact we havent been listed in almost 3 months anywhere while shes been working on listings after the split and the huge surge of interest that happened shows that she is no "miracle worker" that did what me or you could not. It was the community effort and the network effect and the fact we were "hot stuff".
Now, if she made a proposal and said she would work for a year on listings and she wanted to get payed, id consider that. (id say no, because she has 0 experience and 0 qualifications and there are far better choices, but it would be worth considering.)
The way this was handled was poor and the amount was excessive and demonstrated a lack of any standard.
It is not secretary work. If you want secretary work I'll give you some data entry to do.
What better choices are there? No one has experience and qualifications in exchange listing. There is no course you take. You just go with what you learned in mainstream business and roll with it.
Didnt you just say it yourself just a sentence above that indeed you can have plenty of experience?
" I'll give you some DATA ENTRY to do." Thats a legit job thats been around for ages. Working through various communication channels, data entry is a job a secretary does.
Working with exchanges on this or with legacy systems makes very little difference.
There's business experience and experience you gain by doing the job. There's no degree you can obtain or internship you can do.
So do you want to do some data entry?
Fuck off you little queen. Who are you to talk to him like that?
You’re soon going to learn a very hard lesson in life, and I’m not talking about your boyfriend pegging your ass.
Look at this jealous, pathetic bitch. You’re such a little fucking cuck.