Did you ask me for consent before publication? NO.
Not that anything of importance is published there, but it is always important to ask for permission.
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Did you ask me for consent before publication? NO.
Not that anything of importance is published there, but it is always important to ask for permission.
I have seen this before. The day that anyone needs your consent to publish on Hive is the day Hive loses all value. Hive only exists because Justin Sun did exactly what you are doing on Steem.
I strongly recommend you cease your censorship of @logiczombie. While you may disagree with his opinion(s), Hive's greatest value is that it enables free speech. As the internet becomes more censored, the value of Hive increases. Unless it's also censored, which you are doing.
You are free to decrease the value of the token as you see fit. I don't use it as money, so I don't care. You may not grasp that Hive has value mostly because it has free speech, and that affects the value of your stake, so I thought to elucidate. You appear to think people value your opinion because you have what you consider valuable stake. I thought you'd prefer to not reduce the value of your stake, as that seems to be your sole source of self respect, and the respect of others for you.
I do not value people, or their opinions, based on the size of their wallets. I reckon there must be other valuable traits you possess upon which to base your self esteem, and would happily recommend some you could undertake to embody for that, and other, even more meaningful, reasons. Start with kindness, and you will not go wrong, IMHO.
I will recommend “knowledge”, and “networking” for you. Perhaps then you didn’t have to recommend kindness to me. I am saying this only then you will figure out kindness is a virtue that I have.
None of my behavior impedes free speech. Downvote doesn’t remove the content. It just demonetizing. My stake is based on my hard earned money, yet I don’t care about it. Otherwise I could have optimized on how I can grow it efficiently. I don’t care about the value of my stake. I do care about improving the value of the platform. I do care about making honest hardworking people financially free.
Censorship is defined as the 'suppression of speech...' Removing content is one of the ways that speech can be suppressed. Flagging is the means of preventing spam, so it obviously suppresses speech. That suppression is cited as the reason flags exist on Hive. It is obviously true that reducing the reputation and earnings potential of someone on Hive by flagging every single comment and post they make suppresses their speech.
There is censorship I believe in. In fact I just published a post with that title. However, flagging someone for the content of their speech because you disagree with it is not censorship I believe in, and it strongly discourages not only the user flagged, but the community generally, and worst of all, it discourages people from becoming users of Hive.
Hundreds of Hive users have left because of exactly being flagged for the content of their speech in the years I have been using Hive, and if you have been here very long, you are very unlikely to be unaware of that.
@logiczombie posts quality content and has a following that values his posts. I hope you care about improving the quality of the platform enough to refrain from censoring his posts from now on, and discouraging him, other users, and potential users of Hive. The best way to improve Hive is to attract new users, and retain the ones already here.
Thanks for the courtesy of your reply.
There is no suppression of speech. There is no content removal due to downvote. The content is there and anyone can read it. This is a fact and there is no argument against this fact.
Only the monetary rewards were removed in a downvote. People who likes to leave should. There is no compulsion.
So, according to you flagging does not discourage spam? I disagree, as did the creators of Hive, and hundreds of users that have used flags to discourage spam on Hive. Driving people who aren't spammers away from Hive by discouraging free speech is the complete antithesis of Hive, and destructive of it's purpose.
I do not believe your statements are forthright, honest, and sincere. Your participation in Hivewatchers reveals you do use flags to discourage spammers, and are fully aware you suppress speech by flagging.
It is facile to claim that flags, the sole mechanism on Hive competent to suppress spam, don't also suppress other content as well. You don't have to speak honestly, but when you don't you earn the low opinion of everyone that finds deliberate falsehoods exclusively the resort of people without merit. No one finds your protestations convincing.
You are acting to degrade and denigrate Hive. While I don't care about the token value, I do value the ability to speak freely, and to consume content provided by those that can speak freely on Hive. If you don't and want to use a platform that does not allow free speech, you can go anywhere else on the internet where other censors will openly acknowledge your agreement with censorship and intent to suppress free speech there.
Please stop censoring here.
Thanks.
I never said downvote doesn't discourages spam (I hate double negative). It does. I DV to discourage spam. I also downvote to disagree with reward and will continue to do so. This is my last word and end of this discussion.
You can quit speaking at your convenience. I assure you the discussion won't end just because your participation in it does.
Regardless, I do appreciate the opportunity to discuss the matter with you.
Flagging Hive users other than spammers and scammers is opinion flagging and censorship. Censoring Hive users is bad for the platform, and bad for society. People depend on free speech because it provides safety signals that can be a matter of life and death. Censorship kills.
You can censor on numerous platforms where it is expected by those using them. Hive is not such a platform. The value of the platform to it's users is largely determined by it's censorship resistance, and by flagging Hive users that are not spammers, you are degrading the platform and reducing it's value to the community.
Please do not do this on Hive. The current token price is artificially suppressed precisely because of the censorship that has been undertaken here, and the denial that is commonly resorted to by the censors who have refused to use the actual definition of censorship and claim a plethora of excuses to justify that censorship that are seen as duplicitous by ordinary users of social media. This causes them to not come here and post, which would benefit all Hive users if they did.
If you cannot restrain your urge to flag and censor, go ruin some other platform.
Thank you.
you're already downvoting me, and you've already explicitly refused to explain exactly what your demands are, so, what the heck do you want from me?
Absolutely nothing!
Good luck!!
Legit question...what is it exactly that bothers you so much about people wanting to question the mainstream narrative on the hive blockchain? I totally understand you and others don't agree with the idea of corruption from within governments but does that make it ok for you to be such an influential adjudicator? I've come across quite a few of your interactions on this subject and besides coming across as a bit of a bully, I have to say you seem a little arrogant. From where I stand it seems @logiczombie is asking reasonable questions and being quite restrained while doing so. I think the least you could do is try resolve this issue or just agree to disagree, because the longer this sort of thing goes on the worse it looks to everyone looking in. Please also remember that nowhere on hive does it inform people who sign up that there are certain subject which are not allowed to be rewarded.
If you are “reasonable” I will give benefit of doubt, and assume positive intent.
Unfortunately logiczombie is around for a long time and knows all the nuances, at least should.
You however someone I do not know. So if you have a question I will answer it to the best of my ability.
You are correct it doesn’t say anywhere on hive that certain will not be rewarded.
Mind you, it doesn’t promise any reward either. Only says your content may be of value. It is judged whether it is of value by cumulative votes which are stake weighted. That’s it.
Most people who are complaining are farmers and want money for their shitpost which won’t be worth anything in the real world. We reward a lot of that. As collectively people don’t use enough downvote power. But there is only so much we can tolerate and a line have to be drawn and I have drawn my line to the best of my judgment, and logiczombie is currently on the wrong side of the line. That’s all.
I speak politely due to the fear you have created by your overbearing actions. If I’m honest, the way you and yours conduct yourselves is quite offensive to me(which is just life so no real bother). I wouldn’t normally speak out like this but on this occasion you seem to have downvoted this post purely because you disagree on a personal level. Downvoting was never intended for that and has always been sold as a way to combat abuse. What has been created is akin to watching children squabble in a playground.
I think you and I see Hive quite differently. I won’t speak for you but the way I see hive is like an auction or a garage sale where people pay what they think is a fair value for something they like. In that respect, we do not sit in the auction room waiting for someone to bid on an item only to step in as some middle man who adjusts the agreed price for no other reason than he/she doesn’t like the product being sold. There is a place for a middle man but that should to protect the auction against buying stolen goods. If people are selling shit then I understand the need for a watchman but much of what I have seen is a blatant attempt to control what’s on the trending page and therefore what’s visible to others(many of whom might like that content).
I find it quite telling when you use the term “we” as if you all have nominated yourselves as the opinion for everyone. You do not speak for me and I find value in much of the content being downvoted by those you refer to as “we”. In the end there is truth to be found on both sides of this argument and people should be able to make that judgement for themselves without feeling the need to punish, especially when some wield much larger weapons than others. We all came together to create hive due to someone wanting to control the platform and I imagine you were one of those who joined in this action. It seems quite ironic now seeing the same people attempting to do something very similar if not worse.
I mean no ill will towards anyone on here whether I agree with them or not but I do find this whole situation very tiring and reflective of the social media sites we strive to evolve from.
Peace be with you @azircon and I hope this can be resolved.
I am not in charge of your emotions. Also I can’t fix your misconceptions on science or facts. You have to go back to school for that.
You can see whichever way you like to see hive. I have no control over it. I see hive exactly the way it is described in the hive white paper. I say “we” because I help write it. I helped creating it at the time of its inception and so did 100s of others.
https://hive.io
https://hive.io/whitepaper.pdf
I speak politely to you because I am naturally polite. I am also reciprocal, if people are impolite to me, they get the same treatment.
I’ll take a look at the white paper, thank you for the link. I’m not going to debate the science or “facts” with you as this is a point neither of us will budge far from. However, I will say that much of the info on hive that gets downvoted is created as an opinion derived from reading the work of scientist who are renowned in their field. These people know much more that you or I ever will on the subject and they deserve to be heard. Just because you have chosen to disagree with that side of the science doesn’t make you right, and the same goes for myself. That would be arrogant of us and very ignorant of a past which has proven that corruption exists within every industry.
Getting back to the point of all this. As someone who stands on the outside of the flagging war, I would ask that you reconsider your tactics and find another way to manifest your opposition.
I appreciate the hard work you and others have put into creating hive and I’m sure you have all been very well rewarded. However, that doesn’t mean you should have a disproportionate control over what gets rewarded(at least to the point where you can zero someone’s rewards).