What is SARS 2?
Why would we exclude nursing homes? Are they not humans?
You should be careful to claim you know the answers of CFR and vaccines based on a little light reading.
SARS - the original - had a CFR of about 2-3% to begin with. After it passed and years of analyses went through, more accurately it came to about 7-9%.
In the case of CoViD, anyone who claims to know, is wrong. It's impossible to tell when the range of symptoms reaches from death and chronic, prolonged suffering - such as some of my friends who have been suffering deeply for 8+ weeks - to completely asymptomatic.
How does one count this, exactly?
And, given that each nation counts differently, from those who hdie with related illness, or directly virus related, or excluding ones who didn't do tests, excluding entire regions who can't afford to get the data... it's a total fabrication to come up with some specific number without stamping on the end 'our estimation'.
This number is going to change for years to come, and we may never get a complete answer. Sometimes, some things are just impossible and you have to accept that.
Saying we don't need a vaccine is coming from an extremely privileged position, as I'm sure you are aware. You are free to get sick as much as you want, but the second you shake hands with somebody else, you are deliberately responsible for potential death, as that person spreads to their grandmother or even their mother, or they themselves whose immune systems are weakened.
And it's not all about death either. As I said, my friends, and a growing number of reports now, enough to grab the attention of mainstream media just recently, are suffering chronic illnesses, some of which will end up permanent, with lungs destroyed, capacity for breathing reduced to 20%, and so forth.
But hey, no vaccine necessary because you, personally, are a healthy young individual.
Hmm.
As for the rest, No, bill gates has not ever stated anything about forcibly vaccinating everyone. I mean, I'm sure he has mentioned that opinion at some point; that's hardly unusual, there are entire states in the US that enforce it, and this kind of process is largely supported around the world from academics and low-information citizens alike.
I'm citing the CDC when I report the CFR of .26%. Is there some expert you prefer to the CDC? It appears now that early reports of higher CFR were incorrect, according to the CDC. You mention a lot of numbers, and your personal opinion, but you cite no sources.
I'm sure you'll agree your personal anecdotes aren't relevant to anyone but you. Anecdotal evidence isn't statistically relevant, which you should agree with.
Mine. I am only responsible for me. Whoever I am shaking hands with is responsible for them. Or do you consider them property and without either authority over themselves or responsibility for their actions?
If you're implying that I somehow own whoever, and am responsible and in authority over them, you're wrong. I own no one. I am the only person for which I am responsible or have any authority over.
Do words just come out of your mouth without you having anything in particular you intend them to mean? Because you just said the opposite of what you just said, and you claim you're a scientist who would know the difference between saying one thing or saying it's opposite, and should know better than to say both in one breath.
I think you've been living in China too long, and caught the Communism.
I could cite a totally different number from 3 weeks earlier and 3 weeks later. they are current results. The results change as more data becomes available. You should know this. It's not about how reputable they are.
Ok, cough. Bump into, touch a door handle. You name it. It was just an obvious example that applies to thousands of similar scenarios. Picking at straws here.
I don't know where you get this ownership concept from. If I murder someone, I'm responsible for their death. It doesn't mean I own them. Not sure where the confusion is there.
I never once claimed I'm a scientist... who ever said that?
Again, you're picking at straws. Obviously I said one thing, then considered an exception as I typed that doesn't necessarily derail the first point, but ponders the potential that somebody would say such a thing in general conversation. Like how I might say all kinds of various extreme things in passionate moments, or with something I conceptually thing could be good but would never work in reality (such as the communism pipe dream).
Come on, this isn't how to debate. You might as well start correcting my grammar
Yes, it does. You are exercising the right to dispose of your property as you see fit, as if they were cattle. That's why murder is a crime, and selling steaks is not. People are sovereigns, and cattle are property.
I recall you claiming to work in some field involved in research. I must miss recall. Apologies.
Saying the things Bill Gates has repeatedly publicly said regarding vaccination, his decades long massive focus on vaccination and recent public speaking tour, and his political clout gained at the point of immense financial thrusts into the pharmaceutical industry, particularly vaccine development, is not the equivalent of casual conversation over cocktails.
Your comment was completely self-contradictory, the latter part utterly refuting the former. Other than that you derided my own statement that Gates intends to forcibly vaccinate everyone in the world, I would be unable to ascertain what your position actually was.
My sense is that you will gladly line up to get your DNA altering vaccine. I assure you that after you are a GMO, you will no longer have sovereign rights. You will have become property. This is proven by case law in which Monsanto repeatedly and successfully seized the assets of farmers whose crops were pollinated by pollen from patented GMOs owned by Monsanto.
If you allow your DNA to be modified by Gate's patented vaccine, you will become property of Gates. Worse, those farmers didn't choose to pollinate their crops with Monsanto pollen. Monsanto dispersed that pollen across their fields, forcibly pollinating the farmer's crops. You'd choose to become the property of Bill Gates by voluntarily accepting DNA altering vaccine.
Early in my life someone I know was murdered by agents of the state, in order to take assets which they subsequently sold.
That is when I learned that murder is a form of slavery.
This seems rather unnuanced and twisted. for example, there are several degrees of murder. One of which is premeditated, another is more heat-of-the-moment. I don't think anyone in a passionate murder is thinking to themselves 'i consider you property, thus I can dispose of m y property as anything else' - no, they get emotional.
Where in any legal document does it say murder is illegal for any reasons related to property? I mean, I could be wrong I'm no lawyer, but I find it excessively unlikely. humans just don't typically think on that wavelength when they take these actions.
Even if that was the case, how can you extrapolate from that to 'I own the person I murdered, murder is a form of slavery'?
Your sense is somewhat correct, in that I don't consider GMO a bad thing at all. You are probably aware that almost everything you consume and enjoy, including any pets you might have, are GMO.
Jumping from being sovereign to not, based on a vaccine, sorry it's just totally nonsensical. how does that connect to Monsanto and farming crops? how does that 'prove' the previous statement that once I get a vaccine, I lose my rights?
Your rights are a privilege and those privileges can be taken away if ever needed. You could kill yourself first, but if they get to you before you manage, then you're screwed. If you think the only thing threatening your freedoms is bill gates, then you have a very optimistic view of your situation. Any country can - and has numerous times in the past - moved from a free state of human rights, to an oppressive regime with zero rights, and there's nothing the citizens of those countries, or their children, could do about it, other than dying.
So, I would worry and obsess less about absurdities with no proof such as vaccines removing my right to vote, and more on political reform assuring a government lacks military and legislatural powers to do what you're so afraid of them doing.
Probably impossible though.
Also, [Citation needed] - for the bill gates forcing comment. Again, I said he didn't say it, then I simply pondered that its feasible he could have said it under some context. The idea here was for you to then present me with evidence backing up that claim. Instead, you are just picking at the fact that i was typing in a stream-of-consciousness. That ain't an argument
Once you have been genetically modified and are a patented life form, you, as precedent has been long set in the courts by the predations of Monsanto, become property of the patent holder.
Plus, what could folks know of the modifications that are engineered into the injections? Mayhap covert research has enabled them to love their subjection after a bit of tinkering. You may be happy to give up your humanity itself for the blessing of the favor of the opinions of your fellow cattle, but free and sovereign persons will not.
Each of us is born with our inherent qualities, our fingers, the color of our eyes, and the solitary option to will themselves to act. No one else has that power to work their limbs, to decide for them what to do or like. Those inherent behavioural qualities are their sole right to undertake, not privileges granted by the agreement of their neighbors.
Yep. You caught the Communism.
You do not, nor does anyone else, grant me the inherent qualities and the power to exercise them at will I was born with. Should you try to enforce that false claim, you will see just how false it is, because I will not accede, nor grant you any such privilege to command me whatsoever you may claim or think to intend, good or ill.
That is freedom, and I commend you to it's tender mercies, far more tender, though perennially hard and severe, than those of masters like you suffer in Beijing. Better to die than be enslaved, though only you die free.