We have the power to create good and evil into the world.
We are sold and buy into many beliefs that motivate immoral behavior.
So you agree then.
MORALITY / IMMORALITY is subjective.
Because all that you outline here in this post is dealing with human created systems.
Neither of the quoted statements imply in any way that humans create morality itself. They simply state we can differentially be moral or immoral.
Substitute the concept of velocity for morality in the above statements and they will be just as true, and reveal that neither speed nor direction is nothing but a human concept. They are aspects of the universe that we can differentially express in our actions.
Well velocity is ACTUALITY. Measurable.
My point here is that MORALITY does not exist outside of human psyche. It's not actuality. It's purely belief.
A belief cannot be objective.
How do you measure morality as one would measure velocity?
I have to point out that my incompetence does not prevent reality from being actual. Our feeble grasp of reality is no constraint on reality. It's a fact that our lack of understanding is absolutely real, and only an absolute fool expects to know everything there is to know.
Real scientists know that the more they learn, the more they learn they don't know.
You seem to believe your beliefs are flawless, and I am utterly incompetent to judge whether they are or not. I am however confident of my personal nescience regarding such things as history, morality, and etc., so am just as confident my judgment of morality is - at best - incomplete, if not bass ackwards completely.
Please don't consider my judgment of any import. It's a small thing to be judged by me, as I am a very tiny ambulatory bag of glop in a very big and mysterious universe. I hope you reasonably value your own judgment of such massive and complex questions.
Lol you've completely sidestepped the point in your usual, elaborate paragraph construction utilising words cleverly. That's not an insult though..
I've always respected AND admired your word usage ACTUALLY <--- (See actually. Meaning that the view I hold is based on evidence. Your very measurable ability displayed with your every comment.)
That's the difference I point out.
That subjectivity really has no actuality. We utilise so much (like good v evil) in our systems but this is out of necessity. We could not have become civil without introducing measures, checks and balances.
I don't claim to know everything either. I completely agree with you on that point that humans are flawed in thinking we (as a species) think that our sciences can understand it all.'What is CONSCIOUSNESS' is that thorn in our thumb which both ridicules that notion and also collapses the relevance of our sciences to understand "REALITY."
My view is that there are many realms that make up 'Our Universe'. This realm/plane where we exist however is primarily PHYSICALITY so that is the objectivity that we can measure. Such as velocity of energy.
I didn't sidestep anything. I stated directly that it is impossible to know the things under discussion at present. Stating knowledge of them is thus not factual, and I decline to do so.
But YOU made the assertion that morality is comparable to velocity. I then asked you how we could measure morality like we measure velocity.
You did not provide an answer.
The only similarity I pointed out between morality and velocity is that human beings are incompetent to completely characterize them. We have some handles on how to characterize velocity mathematically, but none on morality.
I make no pretense to have such competence.