The hive blockchain is SAFU, so this is punishment.
My main issue is who was punished and who escaped. The dials and levels were twisted and pulled to make a very specific subset of individuals who would be caught in the net. By the time the fork had been announced the damage had been done. Actually, the most damage was done by the people who initially voted for the puppet witnesses, not the idiots who kept up the stalemate.
The exchanges, Binance and Huobi,were let off the hook due to the methods decided to punish enemies of decentralization. This is because many innocent victims would be punished in the crossfire.
This tells me it is about punishment and not about protecting the blockchain. Further, I think some people are sucking up to CZ binance as we speak to get Hive listed there. Hypocrisy?
Let's just sweep this under the rug and give them an airdrop. What's the risk? In theory,they can just buy it back and attack up again.
Why are you talking about politics? That exclusion list was never about politics. You can have your beliefs, but it's not about beliefs either. There's a post above you talking about an error in the code. Some of those people felt 'punished' and thought it was because about 'beliefs', and they were wrong, and I bet some will still continue to feel like they were being punished due to beliefs, even when confronted with the facts. And a lot of that has to do with how some of you folks spin it and turn it into politics and beliefs.
There would have never been an error if the exclusion list was left to the steemit accounts originally blocked during softfork 22.2.
More accounts just had to be added. Why were those with less than 1000sp safe? Why was it maximun 2 fake witnesses? Isn't 17 required. Face it a lot of these decisions were not technical. So what does that make them? Centrally decided by people who created Hive is my best guess.
From a technical standpoint, none of these accounts needed their Hive removed, as just removing Steemit stake would have shifted the balance more than enough to get 17 proper witnesses back and make it expensive to launch another attack.
Even if technicaly difficulties remained, it could have just been held back for a few months until we could fix things.
Someone carefully selected the additional targets and made the punishment permanent for reasons that aren't related to the technical workings of the blockchain. To say there were no political elements or beliefs involved is at least equally as deceptive as saying it was mostly bssed on that.
Even with the criteria explained within the post linked within the post above, you'll still continue on with your beliefs and politics? I find that behavior to be quite peculiar.
What could be more damaging? The facts? Or an opinion that denies facts?
To be clear I'm happy they are recieving their airdrop because of a computer code error. I just think it was a mistake to deny them and the other non-hive accounts an airdrop in the first place.
How does this opinion deny the facts?
The exclusion list was never meant to be interpreted as a final decision. Want to know how I know?
The included appeal process.
I wonder if there would have been hiccups in the code if accounts were voting for accounts in a position that no longer exists. Those sockpuppet accounts. Why include those and the voters if you're removing that hostile takeover element?
Once the dust settles, those voters can then appeal for the airdrop. Many deserve it and would receive it. Especially when someone like you votes for that decision, since it's what you want.
There's no mistake. Was it messy? Sure. I'll say it was handled poorly, but mostly due to a lack of proper communication. Far too many impatient people. Far too many twisted narratives. It made it damn near impossible to actually explain this all without the words sounding like they're coming form the devil. Even now as I try to explain to you, I've been having trouble getting through because of the wall of beliefs you've placed between us.
Fair enough. It isn't perfect (which is actually what I want to help with) and I do wish they had announced a timeline of...say 13 weeks. However infairness full details of the appeal haven't been made public left, which is also why I want some of my opinions considered or heard.
You could be right about hiccups in the code, and that would help explain a lot amd support your argument that it isn't about punishment. If anything, maybe it was easier and not worth the risk in finding out.
I'm glad no one is disagreeing with the right to appeal. There are a few concerns - does their future stake count towards yes. Also is there a NO side to beat so we can record positions? I'm hoping there is at east a no side and if it is razor thin, we consider their forfieted influence.
I do agree it is messy and complicated. The decision was made in haste amd for good reason. Now is a chance to tryband clear up confusion amd misunderstandings. I'm not here to make factual events confusing. I'm here to make people question if no airdrop is justified (punishment fits the crime). If the bloclchain is still under threat, yeah don't do it, but I think we are safe now.
That one cracks me up. LOL!
Wait for the dang facts! Then form opinions. Jeez you guys... What good is hearsay and gossip leading to conspiracy theory? Twisted narratives combined with the 'guessing game' is what got us all in this mess to begin with! Silly humans. When will you learn...
Have a good day, dude.