Hey everyone,
it's been a while, here's an update. The DeepHive idea was buried due to a lack of traction, but I'm confident that the concepts will be implemented by the big interfaces sooner or later.
There has been an ongoing discussion on Discord about the need of a wiki, but all attempts to implement one used centralized solutions. So, I wrapped my head around the options to create a hive-powered wiki software, and decided to start building. If you're interested in that, keep an eye out for follow-up posts.
Another topic that was discussed quite intensely was downvotes and HiveWatchers (HW). I've been supportive of HW for a long time, and there are some similarities in what curangel and they downvote. What gave me the final push to rethink my approach was seeing the amounts that these downvotes accumulate to, and in comparison how much goes to projects and/or automated posts through self votes or huge whales.
So I have decided to switch focus from small-time abuse to the big guys for curangel. We won't be able to make a big impact due to our low VP, but it'll do more for the pool distribution than what we did the last months. I also dropped my support for the HW proposal - while I think the tools they provide to detect plagiarism are important, I don't think the impact they have justifies the high daily cost.
Last but not least I would like to ask you to check your witness votes and if you're not voting for me yet could you please give me some support there? It would mean the world to me!
Thank you for your trust and support, and see you around!
I'm surprised we haven't had a wiki by now. We are repeating the same things over and over, it would be so much easier to just point to a resource, and have it listed on front ends.
There used to be a Wiki of a kind back on
Steem. It didn't have many contributors, though.Yes, believe it was run my someguy123. It is just helpful to answer a question well once and have a place to point them to. I see the same questions asked over and over again in discord.
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A Hive wiki software would be amazing. But we also need a Hive entry on Wikipedia. As I understand it, we had one, but one of the overzealous editors on there removed it for some reason. I haven't dived into the discussion pages, but I can imagine they didn't see the need to have a separate page from Steemit. I and a few others have discussed drafting another one, but I have no experience editing for Wikipedia so I fear it could just be auto-deleted again. As large as Wikipedia is, however, I think we do need to figure out how to get one there.
I am a big fan of wikis and we definitely need good reference material for Hive. There is this one that uses Mediawiki, but a decentralised one would be even better. I'm not sure if it's possible to make it so that multiple people can edit the same pages. That could open up a few possibilities.
There will always be abuse to deal with here. I just want to see those who do it act fairly so that we do not drive good people away. Every person who 'rage quits' tends to spread bad vibes.
You're doing an impressive work here, the Wiki options are actually amazing and I'll keep eyes on updates about that...
Getting myself and friends to vote you for witness @pharesim
Thank you for the kind words, appreciated!
A decentralized wiki, sounds like a great project idea, do you plan to allow all hive accounts to update it?
Just sent you my witness vote, it would be great if you could send me one back.
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Hi @pharesim, great idea for the wiki, thank you.
I agree with your assessment of Hivewatchers and I welcome the change in @curangel's downvote policy. I think it will help create a greater sense of fairness.
Do you have a discord handle? Many thanks.
I'm @pharesim on Discord too
Ah, found you. Many thanks.
Keep up the great work 👍
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Great idea, decentralized wiki, and think downvotes don't work as intended but can lead to downvote wars and negativity. Filtering illegal content probably will need to happen on the frontend side or on an individual basis through mute/block lists rather than by downvotes.
Downvotes are still super important. It just doesn't make sense to pay $350 a day to have them downvote a few $0.10 posts.
good point, have summarized the pros and cons of downvotes recently, highly political topic, but think the current system is not really satisfying.
https://peakd.com/hive-199963/@vikisecrets/vienna-hive-meetup-content-moderation-on-hive-pros-and-cons-of-downvotes-next-meetup-sept-28th-2023
Impressive work, Looping for more updates on this. Thanks
I'm curious if you will be coherent with what you wrote :)
There are few well known actors that use several posting key accounts to self upvotes, sometimes more than 50% of the well rewarded post is self votes and of course the 50% of curation also return to the accounts that self vote, it's a win win 💪. I will not mention them because if I see you also see, it's all in the Blockchain. Anyway I already posted about this subject.
I'm not going to do deep analysis myself, but I might add the one or other post I see while browsing to the downvote script from now on. If you are interested in helping utilize the VP well, hit me up on Discord.
I respect your efforts if they are fair but I'm the guy that would prefer 100% that those guys, that are not new here, that even are somehow kind of moralist with others, realize that it's not fair what they do with all the posting keys of big accounts and stop doing (rule by example instead of rule by stake no matter what, even this is a dpos Blockchain, would be great and healthy to all), instead of me acting like a morality policeman. I'm able to name them and say they are wrong but I don't have a profile for the police nor do I want to.
I have little time following you as a witness and admiring the Curangel project, but it is enough to know that the creation of a Wiki by your team is a great option for Hive, in fact to heed and take action after these internal discussions says a lot about the seriousness of your work, I will humbly support and hope to see this flourish soon. I will humbly ask my friends and family to consider voting Witness, even though most of them are just red fish 😅 I wish you success in your projects 🙏
I'm a big fan of the idea of a Wiki, so I'm really glad this is coming up now!
You are exactly right, of course, information about Hive is scattered all over the place and people end up repeating the same thing over and over and over again. Having Hive information as a central (not centralized) resource that can be easily accessed from all front ends and projects would be a great asset for the community, and certainty is a step towards making the Hive environment more user friendly.
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I'm looking forward to this Wiki, would it be something like @LeoGlossary does?
I like the idea of decentralizing the wiki starting with hive info that could be sort of a reference guide for new people. Rewarding the collaborative effort to assemble and maintain this info seems to be a perfect model for the structure and community we have started here.
I use Wikipedia to cram or get up to speed quick on certain topics and people but imagine not being spammed to donate through desperate popups and having the storage and rewards based funding taken care of as part of the model.
Curious to see this manifest and see where the community takes it. Not perfection out of the gate, just progress.
Hello.
Thank you for your support throughout the years..
We don't use tools to detect plagiarism. Online tools are more or less useless. We have been always investigating manually by use of different search engines.
Some investigations are hard to crack because a lot of plagiarized content is a transition from another language than the language in the post or content is spun/re-worded.
I sent you a message in Hive Blue.
I would be happy to explain to you how our investigations work with some examples if you are interested.
Great idea, congratulations! Before the hardfork I was a @someguy123's wiki contributor and proposed a way to automatize rewards distributions: https://hive.blog/utopian-io/@wagnertamanaha/an-idea-of-a-mediawiki-extension-to-connect-with-steem-blockchain-and-its-content-reward-system About onchain wikis I remember the Lbry project and Everipedia, launched on EOS blockchain now changed its name to IQ Wiki. Keep safe, thanks and good luck again!
I haven't thought a lot about monetization yet, my interest comes from the technological side. Upvotes don't seem like an option without spamming the chain with new posts for each edit. Maybe a tipping system can be implemented.
I remember SteemWIKI sent a tip for those who submitted/edited entries. It wasn't much, and it still required a centralized entity to approve and curate entries and rewards.
Great! My original proposal included options of daily to weekly posts with aggregated edits just to avoid spamming, other way could be by the sum of minimum edits or bytes. I wrongly mentioned Lbry as a wiki project, the correct name was Lunyr.
I also think nowadays the wiki system was revived by the success of Notion. Recently I found this Monetize.link feature that allows users to set up a token or nft gate on Notion pages: https://www.monetized.link/campaign/add-payments-to-your-notion I believe that wiki with web3 really has huge potential.
I'd love a wiki. Searching for old posts without a search is tedious.
that is amazing idea, that will help new hiveans and a place to find all needed information