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RE: The main excuse for malicious down-voting is "Over-Rewarded Content..." What about the account making $10k+ PER DAY in spam comments?

in LeoFinance2 years ago (edited)

At this point it just looks like they're grabbing onto any opportunity to attempt to make themselves look better while shilling their new token they've created, it'd almost be funny if it wasn't this sad.

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And funny that it is a "hive-engine" token and there are 1000s other tokens :)

I can create a hive engine token in 5 min :)

But, they also created a front-end that shows downvoted posts on trending! You can't say they didn't put their heart and soul into it!

But, they also created a front-end that shows downvoted posts on trending!

"They"?

That would be one person: @ura-soul

Are you going on some crazy conspiracy theories again? Is ura really just berniesanders and Dan and Ned and me all put together?

Is everyone on Hive the same person, except you?

Kenny,
You don't have enough HP to DV. :)

You should have stayed with your regular posts. You were earning good money. Now you get into this and see where we have arrived.

Your call, man.

I enjoy the game. And I enjoy hive a lot.

You should have stayed with your regular posts.

These are my "regular" posts - Everything I've written & video'd over the years has always been whatever was alive for me at the time, whatever I was excited about or researching.

You were earning good money.

If you'd ever read anything I wrote, or watched any of my videos, you'd know that money is the last thing I'm concerned with; as you can clearly see from my 5+ year history on the chain, I post less the more my posts are making - because money is a disincentive for me.

Now you get into this and see where we have arrived.

This is the most fun I've had on Hive/Steem in many years.

I'm no longer worried about putting out regular content, or content at all.

I'm no longer spending hours every day answering questions and on-boarding people to Hive, playing along with the fantasy that this place is even remotely decentralized.

I keep giving the totalitarians like yourself opportunity after opportunity to show people what you're really like, and y'all keep digging your hole deeper and deeper.

Your call, man.

Yep, and I'm going to keep posting little bits and pieces, to help show people who are new or haven't dug in much, just how centralized and controlled this platform is, until the moment that it stops being enjoyable to do so.

Cheers! Man.

If you don't worry about money or rewards then you have no reason to worry about downvote. Think about it, it just removes and redistribution of rewards. When I DV you or anyone else, I don't make any money.

But when you know a post will be downvoted and you vote with a curation tool, that tool lose money for the delegators.

The content of your current post, both BT and Smooth explained clearly what HBD and Hive inflation protection is, I have nothing to add to that. But since you don't care about hive and leaving (as you mentioned) it has no impact on you. So regardless you are cool, and I really do not see any conflict personally.

So I like to wish you happy holidays and happy new year.

Cheers again!

If you don't worry about money or rewards then you have no reason to worry about downvote. Think about it, it just removes and redistribution of rewards. When I DV you or anyone else, I don't make any money.

As I've made abundantly clear at every step along the way - this is about what I see as malicious and censorship-seeeking downvoting of a variety of users (many of whom I knew nothing about until I started calling this out.) - not about my rewards, or downvotes against me.

If I cared about down-votes on my content, do you think I would be continuing to post about these things - knowing that every post will get massively down-voted.

But when you know a post will be downvoted and you vote with a curation tool, that tool lose money for the delegators.

I guess that sort of thing matters for people running delegations schemes, and trying to maximize APR.

My goal is, and has always been, sharing the stake that I have the keys to as widely and efficiently as possible.

But since you don't care about hive and leaving (as you mentioned) it has no impact on you.

I did care about Hive - FAR TOO MUCH - for many years. It has been amazingly freeing to be so fully disillusioned, and to actually be having fun here again for the first time in years, because of it.

So I like to wish you happy holidays and happy new year.

You as well, many blessings on you and your family!

I'm not involved in creating anything on Hive-Engine, or the HiveAlive site.

Nice job having a fake conversation that doesn't have anything at all to do with the post.

I have no clue what you are talking about here. There is a new token on the way, which I have briefly mentioned when people accused me/us of doing nothing to try to improve the situation for content creators who are counter MSM narratives. However, no-one even mentioned it in this or any other relevant threads and I haven't seen anyone shilling it. I think your accusation here easily applies to you more than anyone else here.

Huh? I heard there's some token in the works to be traded for pob or something, sorry I don't care enough to check what exactly you're up to. What token may I be shilling? POSH which I've only spent my own money into to drive more traffic to our front-ends? You know, something you guys haven't managed to do in 5 years?

I wasn't saying that you are shilling a token. I was referring to:

At this point it just looks like they're grabbing onto any opportunity to attempt to make themselves look better

The VYB token is nothing to do with the people of informationwar, it's a project run by @trostparadox. I am happy to promote it and boost the chances of the success of the experiment, that's all.

FYI, most of the people I know in the informationwar space have brought quite a lot of people to Steem/Hive over the years - myself included. How many of them are left? In my case, probably none - why? They tell me themselves that it is due to the cost/benefit | risk/reward ratio not being high enough for them. I work with some of the best known people in Europe on this topic outside of Hive, but they gave up on Hive quite quickly. Given that the main 'truther' whales on Hive (I don't like the term 'truther' as it has an absurd negative connotation that seems to have been introduced by people who reject truth for their own reasons) are the ones driving BY FAR the most traffic to Hive (via Hive Engine and Splinterlands) it is quite bizarre to hear you make such false claims here.

Where are those people, mate? All of the content I've seen has close to 0 interactions, literal newcomers get more traction than whatever you lot have been rewarding over the years. I'm not even going to mention how close to none of you have any stake left so not only didn't you bring in any people that chose to stay but they all fucked off as well with the value they most of the time got unfairly seeing as close to no one cared about their content.

Hive is an investment, the risk to reward ratio is in speculation and many who aren't morons see that and don't think short term and have done well for themselves. If literal immutability of text isn't worth their time since that's the main reason they cry over getting banned in random places then I doubt showering them with rewards no matter what value they may actually bring is going to do Hive any good and it shows it hasn't after years of "uninterrupted(lack of downvotes)" unfair rewarding.

A comment was left on the whitepaper post. I perceived this as "VYB is boring, I can't be bothered to read about it", which is fine, although the transaction of attention was made and interpretation of the comment could go other ways.

https://www.proofofbrain.io/proofofbrain/@acidyo/re-vybvyb-r319xd

I heard there's some token in the works to be traded for pob or something

Maybe he was going on about another token that will synergise with the POB/VYB token, I'm sure there are a few. Not sure which token though, I'm only aware of VYB being available for direct POB exchange.

ps. rowan is a legend.

@acidyo muted me many moons ago (which is a shame as his input about curation could be valuable, if he unmutes I'll reach out), replying to your comment and theorising feels like a good opportunity to rebuild a bridge.

Hopefully, layer 2 can continue to create opportunities for discussion like we can see here in this post thread. We can identify the pitfalls and hazards more easily when more experienced Steem/Hive accounts weigh in.


All the best for the year ahead @ura-soul, best wishes!


while shilling their new token they've created

Haven't created any tokens... you're just publishing things you know to be lies, again.