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RE: Hive: A True Digital Nation In The Making

in LeoFinance11 months ago

Hive is far from a digital nation. One of the defining characteristics of a network state is that it achieves diplomatic recognition. Hive is far from that. And likening communities to cities is outrageous. Some Hive communities don't even act like communities. The City of Neoxian is probably the closest thing Hive has at this point, but it really is just a community.

To see what a true network city looks like, check out Cabin.

Of course, none of this is to say that Hive can't become a network city, or even a network state. But it needs to quit acting liking a platform, and Hivers need to stop patting themselves on the back on the basis of dreams and actually achieve something as a community first. So far, it's nothing more than an echo chamber of Web3 enthusiasts, and that's coming from a Web3 enthusiast.

Instead of looking at the mountain and saying, "I can climb that!," how about actually climbing the mountain and showing the world that we can?

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actually achieve something as a community first

Forking this chain from STEEM was something achieved by the community.

Borehole projects in Ghana are achievements by this community, bringing clean water supply to hundreds of people.

Tell me what are the Cabin's achievements?

And why do you think that we have to narrow what we define as a network state to what is described in the network state book? We can form our own kind of network state without satisfying the criteria in the book. The book is not an authority on what a network state is.

@mrtats, thanks for the response! Here's my retort:

And why do you think that we have to narrow what we define as a network state to what is described in the network state book? We can form our own kind of network state without satisfying the criteria in the book. The book is not an authority on what a network state is.

The book to which I linked (titled The Network State) defines what a network state is. Nobody talked about network states until Balaji Srinivasen defined what that is. If you're going to call yourself that, you should have a decent respect for the person who came up with the idea. Calling yourself a pumpkin doesn't make you a pumpkin.

As for Hive's achievements, get familiar with my work. I'm a big fan of Hive's. I've praised it in many places as the best example of Web3 social media decentralization. I'm also on the record as saying it is my favorite Web3 social media platform. In my newsletter, I tell the world why Hive is so good and why they should use it, on a regular basis, going so far as to include monthly reports on my earnings here (where I earn more than on any other Web3 social media platform).

So, you see, I'm not anti-Hive.

The STEEM/Hive fork was accomplished by the witnesses, not the entire Hive community. Sure, the Hive community was supportive, but unless you're a witness, all you did was watch passively and collect your free airdrop of Hive tokens.

The Borehole projects in Ghana are great achievements, but did they involve all of Hive or just one regional community within Hive? By the way, I've written about Hive Ghana and the great things that the Hive Ghana community are doing. But their achievements aren't exactly driving mass worldwide adoption. And need you ask what Cabin has achieved? I pointed that out in the comment to which you responded. They've built a real network city in just two years! In other words, they're not just talking about it, but they've actually done it!

My comment above was not a criticism of Hive. I was addressing the constant barrage of over-optimism and self-congratulatory praise that takes place on a regular basis by self-appointed Hive evangelists like the author of this post. I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just pointing out that a more sober-minded approach to discussing what makes Hive great may be more effective. Perhaps?

The book to which I linked (titled The Network State) defines what a network state is. Nobody talked about network states until Balaji Srinivasen defined what that is. If you're going to call yourself that, you should have a decent respect for the person who came up with the idea. Calling yourself a pumpkin doesn't make you a pumpkin.

There were people who came up with the idea of heliocentric solar system before Copernicus, but we mostly attribute it to him today. Being first to an idea doesn't make you an authority on it and I disagree with Balaji Srinivasen's view of network states. I don't have to give respect to someone who was first to a logical conclusion of crypto communities and economies.

The STEEM/Hive fork was accomplished by the witnesses, not the entire Hive community. Sure, the Hive community was supportive, but unless you're a witness, all you did was watch passively and collect your free airdrop of Hive tokens.

If community did not support the move, Hive today would worth didley squat. See BLURT and other forks.

The Borehole projects in Ghana are great achievements, but did they involve all of Hive or just one regional community within Hive? By the way, I've written about Hive Ghana and the great things that the Hive Ghana community are doing.

Yes, since it is getting funded by multiple people that are not part of the Ghana Community. Even if people outside of community were not directly involved, all of Hive is contributing to every project on Hive by providing and generating value. If no body here provided and generated value, there would be no bore hole project.

Also what Cabin has achieved is not something hard. Building a few cabins in the woods, people did that before Cabin existed. I own an apartment can I declare it an apartment on Hive and create the first ever apartment of Hive? I don't think so. Show me the economic output of Cabin then we can talk about their achievement.

To be clear this is one of the parts I disagree with Balaji Srinivasen, in my view a network state is not required to own physical assets. A network state can be formed virtually, and be represented by its members in the physical world.

My comment above was not a criticism of Hive. I was addressing the constant barrage of over-optimism and self-congratulatory praise that takes place on a regular basis by self-appointed Hive evangelists like the author of this post. I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just pointing out that a more sober-minded approach to discussing what makes Hive great may be more effective. Perhaps?

I did not say you were anti-hive, if I did it would have been an oxymoron. Since you are here and contributing value to Hive. What I said was that you are stuck on a narrow band of view.

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I believe the title says "in the making".

Does that mean that it is here now? No.

Okay, fair enough.