And is that a good thing?
Everyone that spent some time on Hive knows that content discovery for new content is almost nonexistent and search options are pretty bad. And that is not that great for the platform itself but is it maybe good for users?
A lot of you probably heard or watched The Social Dilemma, most of us here had some idea of what is going on, how it all works but some of the details you probably thought "really, they go that far to keep us on the platform?"
I was just listening the Joe Rogan podcast and the guest was Tristan Harris. He worked as a Google Design Ethicist developing a framework for how technology should “ethically” steer the thoughts and actions of billions of people from screens. And he was one of the people that spoke in The Social Dilemma.
One of the things they are talking about is how all this big social networks are trying to keep you on their platform as long as they can, (that is probably expected) how they use algorithms to show you recommended posts, groups, videos, and how those influence people. We all had those youtube lost in the rabbit hole moments, when you think "how the fuck did i ended up on this video and this topic?"
Hive has non of those things. So it is not doing its best to keep you on the platform. And that is maybe the reason of low retention of new users. But could that be an overall good thing for people? I know that i heated when instagram changed the feed from chronologically order of people posting to what ever instagram thinks i want to see. But they thought that will get me stay for longer on the app, and after a while, maybe it worked.
Hive probably needs to have some kind of help in content discovery, but maybe it should not be oriented to "we want to make you stay here as long as we can, so we will recommend you this crazy things" and maybe be oriented to "we want to show you more quality articles of the things that you were just looking at"?
I mean, i know nothing about this, but if frontends and developers even decide to do something about it, should it be done in the different way than what is the norm now?
Just a stupid rambling, have a nice day.
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As a self-taught learner, I must say that in Youtube I learned almost everything I know about photography, watching videos I decided to do things I hadn't thought of, and that helped me advance, its algorithm showed me what was interesting for me, so I did spend a lot of time on the platform and it worked.
What makes the new ones leave is that they see that their effort is not rewarded, because let's be honest, many receive rewards without effort, for what they did years ago, and many new ones make an effort and do not receive anything in return, an investor wants to make a meme and receive a reward for it, instead he receives a downvote to erase his reward and then he goes somewhere else.
Honestly I am against the thought that a post must be long, very long, almost like a magazine to be considered "good to receive reward" we live in a world where everything is fast, wasting half an hour reading a post is not something that goes in the right direction, the fast content is what attracts, at least in social networks where people are.
the photography example that you gave is a example of somewhat good work of recommending algorithm. But i bet you had that youtube experiences where after 40-50 minutes you are watching something and you have no idea how you got there.
i will give you an example of my father. he recently got into the rabbit hole of facebook and youtube. and especially in facebook (i think he uses it more than youtube) he joined few "harmless" groups and all of a sudden he is recommended all kind of crazy things. groups about immigrants (almost all fake as i started fact checking them to show him how he is manipulated. old photos, fake news, manipulated narrative...), 5G covid things and all kind of craziness. And i know for sure that he was not searching for it, it was all recommended. And it is in lenguage that facebook corp. does not care about nor understands.
On the rewards thing. I am here almost 3 years now, and i felt the thing you are mentioning, but also i seen a lot of people on youtube and instagram that i thought to myself why the fuck are those people up there and so popular.
Also Jarvie mentioned a lot of times (as he sees the analytics on peakd), if you would see how much you get in rewards for the views that your posts get, you would not believe it (as there is no place on the internet that you would get that :) )
And as someone that used a lot of social networks a lot of them pretty consistently (maybe not long enough) i know how hard is to get any traction, not to mention any money from it.
i would be really happy if some of those people at least came back to share where that somewhere else is where they earn more :D
all jokes a side, i do think some people are overreworded and some yes for sure there are people that have some quality and are skipped, but hive is still small enough so relationships have a big impact on the mechanics. because i will scroll through some communities but i will always give a bigger vote to someone that i have some kind of relationship even if (for example) his photo is not that great as someones that i never even exchanged a comment.
This is longer than my post :D
Interesting perspective.
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i am still thinking about it, it was the first thing to poop in my head. also still listening to the podcast, there are some interesting stuff and also some that i don't agree. they are talking a lot about regulating and enough about what would the solution be (because banning things is not a solution)
I’m going to check out that Joe Rogan video for sure! I saw Social Dilemma and it did feel like a wake up call.
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Content discovery is up to front ends, not the base chain, and none of them have the balls to step even an inch away from "if vote big, it go top" dogma that STEEM set and HIVE is perpetuating.
peakd has a most viewed option for sorting. it is interesting to see what gets views but it is not really accurate as it is only views on peakd (not on other frontends) and if you use brave with shields on, they can't track that.
how do you check that out. im not seeing that option
when you go to Explore you have an option Most Viewed
I am not sure that we need to compete with other social media. I see it as icing on cake. We need to think about nice second layer (HMT.SMT.HAT whatever you like to call).
Build something on Hive that people can use it daily ,spend and burn hive and will able to fund it by their blogging.
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Lots lacking in the marketing dept. here, or do we even have one? ;)
Marketing is not just getting people in, what about getting people to stay...
no marketing dept. here, move along :D
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