THREADS & WEB3

in LeoFinance2 years ago (edited)

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Expectation?

Okay so I've got to be honest...

When the Threads alpha-testing site launched recently I was very skeptical. I've been skeptical for months actually. I was even priming up some trash talk in advance. After all, what's the point? A "social media" website derivative of Hive? Micro-blogging? Who cares? Already Hive doesn't have enough users... and obviously Threads would have even fewer users by default. Far fewer.

And then the long awaited PROJECT BLANK had arrived!

What grandiose title awaited us at the end of this WEB3 arranged-marriage? Oh... just... "LEO" then? The Everything App? Threads?

Kind of reminded me of watching Lost or Game of Thrones only to get to the finale and realize the writers had no idea what they were doing the entire time and just hoped to figure it out by then.

Spoiler alert: they... didn't.

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The entire purpose of being on Twitter is that it connects all of the crypto communities + all others together on a single WEB2 client that everyone is using.

Traditional social media sites are defined by their ubiquity. The only way for WEB2 to work in any capacity is to lure millions upon millions upon millions of users to the platform under the guise of "free service". Of course we all know it isn't actually free. They turn their users into Matrix batteries and monetize the data in every way possible.

And now Elon Musk is taking it one step further by charging people to get 'verified' and get boosted on the engagement side of the algorithm. Talk about WEB1 strategy.

You know who else seems to think it's a good idea?

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LoL are you kidding me right now?

Now Zuckerturd wants to charge people on Facebook $12 a month for the exact same stupid bullshit? Seriously these greedy kumquats are doing all the heavy lifting for us and sealing their own fate. What better way for WEB3 to make an appearance on the scene and get their foot in the door than to pivot in the exact opposite way? Pay people within the attention-economy for their attention vs forcing people to pay for an artificially scarce algorithm to boost the numbers... hmmm.... I wonder which side they will choose, anon.

All of these developments are giving off extreme streaming-subscription vibes. Remember when Netflix was the only game in town? Everyone was so stoked to pay their $10 a month, cancel their cable TV subscription, and call it good. Now we have Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, HBO Max, YouTube Premium, Paramount+ & Showtime, Hulu, Apple TV, Peacock, AMC+, ETC ETC ETC!!!1!!!1!!!1

Wow

That trade sure did get cramped quickly, didn't it? Within the last year or so I've seen all kinds of remarks on Twitter talking about canceling everything and simply going back to Pirate Bay to get it all for free all over again. That EXACT SAME PATTERN is happening to social media right now. The giants are tightening their grip and trying to squeeze blood from a turnip during a recession, and the people are going to slip right though their fingers as products like NOSTR and HIVE gain adoption.

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Speaking of Pirate Bay...

Would you go to some random website that's been known to crypto-jack computers that access it? Would you go to some random website that might feed you a file with viruses or spyware on it? Many of us are willing to take these risks, once again, in order to get "free service". Free movies. Free video games. Free data. Free whatever. Unfortunately there are zero incentives that allow such a p2p network to scale.

However, what if there was an alternative?

What if the SPEAK network had a similar file for download but it cost you 0.01 HBD to get it? Would you pay 1 cent for the file? What if the file was signed by reputable people on the Hive blockchain and you were much more certain that there were no viruses or spyware encoded into it? Is that worth 1 cent? What about 10 cents? What about $1? I'd pay a $1 for a ripped ReLoaded video game if I was 100% sure there wasn't any stupid bullshit encoded into it.

The point here is that even though WEB3 is pay-to-play, we are creating a system in which the players are both the clients and the servers. The players are the ones paying and the players are the ones getting paid. It's the first version of pure-capitalism we've seen since before the industrial revolution. Everyone is a producer, and everyone is a consumer. Competition is not only allowed, but welcomed and useful for all parties concerned.

Do you have a permit for that?

Yeah, it might cost something to get what you want on WEB3, but what many aren't realizing is that this service is provided by infrastructure that rewards anyone in the community willing to help. I think this post was supposed to be about Threads though. Oops. Rant over.

https://alpha.leofinance.io/threads

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Threads Reality

While I was skeptical of this launch and was really worried about how it would be received, I've got to admit that I'm actually blown away by how well it's going. The LEO team is in extreme crunchtime right now and they are doing a great job keeping it from falling apart, as many alpha-tests tend to do.

It actually sort of reminds me of when this network hardforked to make downvotes free and I thought that change was going to ruin everything (clearly downvotes would be sold to the highest bidder). Wow... how wrong I was, right? Free downvotes and the dev fund are the only features left from that economic-incentive hardfork boondoggle. And if I'm being honest, testing failed experiments like the convergent curve and 5-minute curation trails was worth it in the end. Look how far we've come. Now we know better.

This is progress.

So I was using threads and I took some random notes:

  • no caps on hashtags
  • no emoji
  • no polls
  • pic exploit
  • exposes new accounts
  • anyone can make a frontend or change the algo
  • Twitter and YouTube embeds + links
  • clicking away from thread
  • 10% default vote
  • 12k notifications

Unfortunately...

This is a very basic-bitch alpha test, and I know that a lot of the features that I think should be added are already in the pipe. For example:

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link

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So polls might seem like a really trivial thing...

But they really aren't... especially within the context of a Twitter clone. The ability to throw out a question to get answered by random people on the frontend is something Hive hasn't had before. Sure, we've been able to post a link to a poll from our blog posts, but that takes users to an entirely new site dedicated just for polls. It's simply not the same thing, especially when considering UX.

I also have some super random complaints like not being able to capitalize hashtags, use emoji, or change the default upvote from 10% to 1%. Also I think it's cool from a UX perspective that users can see their comments getting upvotes in real time... but for me personally I have 12000 notifications and I don't need to be seeing that as a power-user of the Hive blockchain. I'd like to be able to customize my notifications more by being able to remove anything but actual p2p interactions.

  • There's also a picture bug that allowed a very long and skinny JPEG to dominate the feed.
  • After responding to someone's thread I click to the side and nothing happens so I have to scroll up and hit the 'X' to exit. Small UX details like this can have a big long-term impact across a large audience.
  • It would also be nice to get links working and even Twitter and YouTube embedding if possible (like Peakd.com). YouTube links work on LEO but Tweet API is lacking still.

Significant points of note:

One of the really cool things about threads is that it exposes me to a ton of accounts that I would never be exposed to otherwise. It will be interesting to see how the LEO team develops the algorithm and how content is curated on the platform.

Speaking of algo...

Remember when Elon Musk took over Twitter? He said he was going to open source the algo. Free speech for everyone! Hurray. Yeah, he's since pulled the exact opposite stance and taken away API access in the fight against bots. The point here is that things on Hive like Threads will be truly open source. Bots won't be a problem because resource credits will price most of them out of the ecosystem. Anyone can make an algo. Anyone can make a frontend. Collaboration wins. WEB3 wins.

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Darkmode is the only mode; fight me.

My reach on twitter is not good at all. I was thinking there wouldn't be enough people on Threads, but actually I don't get exposed to that many accounts on Twitter either. I've been hardcore shadow-banned and echo-chambered on the platform... and I only saw what it was like to not be caged for the first week or two of Elon's takeover when he just decided to turn it all off (lol). Now I'm fully back in my conspiracy/crypto bubble instead of getting 5-10 follows a day. Lucky to get even one after being memory-holed.

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"Does it work now?"

The entire purpose of being on Twitter is that it connects all of the crypto communities + all others together on a single WEB2 client that everyone is using.

Luckily the foundation of WEB3 is the exact opposite of this.

While Threads does not have the users to justify any kind of WEB2 value, it does have a lot of potential and doesn't seem to need millions of users like a traditional social media to be useful. I find it useful already and it's in a very sad alpha version. Surely the upgrades will come in quite quickly during this crunchtime phase.

Conclusion

Been trying to write this post all day but so much is going on all at once it's been hard to retain any kind of focus. In any case I feel like it's all coming together for WEB3 and decentralized social media. WEB2 is going to far as to even sign their own death warrants with this ridiculous algo-boosting subscription model. Not hard to compete with that when you're literally giving money away.

Threads is going to be great for onboarding. I know if I was coming to this network for the first time ever like I did in 2017 I'd of been thrilled to have access to something like this. It's very hard to get noticed on Hive when you're new, and it was much easier to get noticed simply reading and commenting on other posts that actually were getting eyeballs within the attention economy. I see Threads as an extension of this concept. It makes the UX that much more streamlined and it takes away the pressure and performance anxiety from the 'quality content' aspect of the platform.

I was pretty skeptical at first, but it seems like Threads has a pretty exciting future on the platform. The alpha test is going much better than I would have expected and everyone seems to be having a nice time. Onward and upward.

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Edicted is bullish, we’re going to the moon!

monthly active users in the alpha are 50% higher than production

Production has been live for 2 years. Alpha has been live for 6 days

Craziness. Growth is happening despite being - as you described - an early-stage alpha, proof of concept.

Shit is gonna get wild

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It's going well for sure but pace will need to now be made to keep hype levels up while there's still a lack of understanding. For the most part it's primarily all hive users so they simply get it. The next is going to be promoting it to non hive users and that's going to be the true test.

The one thing that still worries me about housing everything under one roof is a classic business notes. When a business tries to do everything they greatly fall short in ALL areas of their business. A successful business is one that focuses and crushes the competition in the sector.

It's why I'll never be a fan of the everything app. Because people are still going to use other applications that do it better and they like more instead of trying to do everything from a single app. Time will tell though but what I see is LEO not being an everything app and with this new UI it pretty much only promotes threads like twitter and that's it. You don't really see or ever notice the blog side anymore or is there really any mention of it so far in the Alpha stage. So maybe in reality the focus really is just a new UI that's like twitter which is what project blanks idea was all along.

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These are very valid points but it may be a big mistake to compare crypto business models to legacy business models. Legacy systems are streamlined and centralized. They have razor thin profit margins and high overhead costs. They have a clear-cut hierarchy of leadership. Crypto has none of these things.

Crypto is built on flat-architecture, and thus the concept of an "everything-app" makes more sense. Development spreads outwardly on the ground floor and pyramids are hard to build on top of shifting sands. It is 100% necessary to have focus and make sure we build things right, but the differences between these two "business" models have so much contrast that it's hard to justify even calling crypto a "business".

Welcome to the Dark Side. lol It's definitely early with lots to do but to me this is proof-of-concept and so far it's been a smashing success. I still have the original Leo open and I do my regular posting and curating from there for now, but I'm certainly enjoying being active on threads. As you say, lots of different people and content I would never get exposed to on the regular site. Plus, once they get the expedited log-in features going, I can finally point my friends and family to it to at least get a taste of what Hive can do. That is where the biggest potential lies in my opinion. Things can't go viral until word-of-mouth can make it so.

Hm yeah I saw your post about the frustrations of onboarding.
Would be crazy if LEO allowed users to buy via credit card.

Yikes! Yeah, that ain't happenin' any time soon. KYC and all. Plus, although HIVE is fully decentralized, LEO is NOT at this point. So, I don't think khal is ready to jump on that grenade yet. lol

To be honest, I am not worried at all about features. It will be done in due time. The main point here is to establish thread can be a working concept where random conversations happen among community members irrespective of their age in chain, reputation and affiliations. In that sense, the platform is pretty impressive.
Also, the platform allows users to act human and not bloggers. The focus here is on conversations and that's the fun part of it :)

I was too and I also feel that the alpha is lacking but its just that an alpha, since I got into Hive less than a month I was always thinking well post have to be over 1000 words or its no good, then found D.Buzz but its laggy and not many ppl using it and now comes Threads thats suppose to get more attention although the concept is the same, sometimes marketing makes the difference, if they can pull a simple way to get users sing up like Ecency does, I think threads can be the main weapon for those already in Hive to get more users involve, thx for sharing ✌️

Summary made by ChatGPT prompt by @reko:

The author @edicted expresses skepticism about Hive's new Threads alpha-testing site and its title "LEO," but then delves into a comparison between WEB3, WEB2, and traditional social media sites. They highlight how traditional social media platforms require millions of users to succeed, turn users into monetized data batteries, and charge users for artificially scarce algorithm boosts. In contrast, WEB3 is pay-to-play, with players as clients and servers, rewarding those who contribute to the community infrastructure. The author suggests that services like the SPEAK network, which allow for pay-to-play downloads, could represent an alternative to risky, free-to-download P2P networks. They end by praising the LEO team for how well they are handling the alpha test.

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Are you AI? This sounds like a "review this article for me chatgpt". lol Good summary though. :-)

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I was going to ask the same lol

Yes it is indeed but edited by me:)

These natural language models are changing everything as we speak and its seems we got an exponential curve...just remember...hold on to your hat!!! :D

I'm still a noob using text-to-image and chatgpt and the likes but I must say they are really empowering in so many ways and we are just scratching the surface...check my blog for a sneak peek on sone prompt engineering...much more to come though so stay tuned...

The author is not @leofinance & pay-to-play downloads is the SPEAK network.
Other than that: good summary.

done, correct now? :)

will edit, ty for the feedback! :)

Wow!, thanks for the post. This is very nice news!. For years i wanted to use a twitter type of site, but decentralized. And this is looking like it!. It's amazing how this network has improved since the steemit times. Keep up the good work!

Speaking of Pirate Bay...
Would you go to some random website that's been known to crypto-jack computers that access it? Would you go to some random website that might feed you a file with viruses or spyware on it? Many of us are willing to take these risks, once again, in order to get "free service". Free movies. Free video games. Free data. Free whatever.

Yes!. Just have to be looking at files with comments, trusted posters (those with the ☠️ icons), and that have a good number of seeders. Those are the files you want to get! 🤓.

My 2 cents,
Cheers!

Oh, and looking the download size of the files can also help 🤓. Theres also, depending on the download method/software, a file preview window of the download. And you should be able to see and tick / untick the boxes next to the files you want to download, like for example:

  • 📁 Pirate bay Movie (2024 / 720p)
    - ☑ Pirate_Bay_2024_720.mp4 (4,20gb)
    -◽️ Visitmyurl.html (3kb)
    -◽️ clickme.exe (250kb)

So in this case above, Just tick the .mp4 file that looks like the movie 🤓, and leave blank the other two files 🧙‍♂️

That is a lot of information coming from a lot of work being done here -- most impressive!

I tried the alpha test of this project blank and it seems convincing to me. with this application Hive will have a good microblogging platform

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I enjoyed reading this and following you down the random rabbit holes of conversation.

Do we have followed feeds yet or is it just newest blanks?

I like the chaos of seeing everyone together but when it gets more. Crowded it’s gonna be overwhelming I’m sure it’s in the works anyways

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The entire purpose of being on Twitter is that it connects all of the crypto communities + all others together on a single WEB2 client that everyone is using.

Extremely correct, Web3 wins!. Web3 can take room for communication around the world surface with lots of incentives to bring in ease life and global connection among users.

I stand with #Hive

Am looking forward to exploring alpha threads

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Did you mention arranged marriage ?
Naa friend leo threads feel more like...
speed dating !
By the way I did put your post into a leo thread
https://alpha.leofinance.io/threads/view/thetimetravelerz/re-leothreads-38suj61vu

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Thanks for the awesome read.

You seem to be advocating for a pay-to-play model that is more transparent and decentralized, where users are both the consumers and the producers. This is an interesting idea, and it's true that blockchain technology has the potential to enable this kind of system. However, it remains to be seen how successful such a model would be, and whether it would be able to attract enough users to be viable.

As for Threads, it sounds like you were initially skeptical about it, but have been impressed by how well it's been received. It's great to see that the LEO team is working hard to keep the platform running smoothly during the alpha-testing phase. It will be interesting to see how Threads develops over time and whether it is able to attract a large user base.

There's also a picture bug that allowed a very long and skinny JPEG to dominate the feed.

This should be easy enough to fix with an automatic resizer :) ...

I'd pay a $1 for a ripped ReLoaded video game if I was 100% sure there wasn't any stupid bullshit encoded into it.

Hive doesn't have any option to offer an exe file??? Plus, I think most people who are known by their actual name here / have business connections, etc might hesitate to use such a service? Pirate Bay tends to be anonymous if one uses a vpn. This is one case where complete transparency might not be welcome.

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I need to take my threading seriously. If this kick off the way everyone is describing it I might end up being the grand ma watching from the side as everyone has fun with it.

WEB2 is all about selling your data and turning you into a product. But WEB3 is flipping the script, and it looks like Threads is one of the pioneers.

Haha you scared me with new accounts exposed until I realized it's a positive note

Fully agree on your feedback points, there's some work to be done (another is the big empty space to scroll through after long form posts) but pleasantly surprised by the initial state, real smooth sailing

As most here I hate the new subscription ideas with a passion. We'll see if it's actually gonna drive many away (I'm guessing most people aren't affected but just bitch and moan about it anyway because.. social media)

You have anumber in mind that would make it a clear success?

You have anumber in mind that would make it a clear success?

Nope I think it's simply a sign of the times.

WEB2 is failing and it's only a matter of time before WEB3 takes over.
I'm guessing the landscape will look completely different in 10 years.
Completely unrecognizable.
Twitter and Facebook may not even exist (unless they add crypto and open source to model).

Yup, with you on that. although I'm thinking we'll start to see some drastic changes quicker than that time frame though, with all the things currently taking place.

But 10 years for sure will turn this whole thing upside down

And if I'm being honest, testing failed experiments like the convergent curve and 5-minute curation trails was worth it in the end

how is it rn?
where can one find information how to curate effectively?