Hive Is Much More Suitable For Onboarding Regular People than EVMs...

in LeoFinance27 days ago

... and yet everyone is flocking over there, mainly because that's where the money is and most people in crypto are gamblers.

That doesn't mean Hive doesn't have its flaws because it does.

But during the INLEO AMA yesterday I was reminded of a regular scam that runs on EVMs, on top of the usual million-dollar-worth of rug pulls, LPs being drained due to flaws exploited in the smart contracts, and so on.

EVMs and Scam Tokens

What I've been reminded of yesterday was scam tokens, often received as airdrops.

Everyone who used an EVM chain for a significant amount of time received such tokens. I have around 50 tokens on Polygon alone, some of them are already identified as spam or suspicious. In fact, I currently use only a few tokens on Polygon, the rest are either remainders of tokens I used in the past or tokens that are potentially dangerous.

On the list of my Polygon tokens, on polygonscan we can see something like this:

Note the label they receive on the right.

The way that scam (not spam) tokens work on EVMs is they entice their recipients (that's you, if you fall for it), to swap them for a more well-known token or something you want to add to your portfolio. That's why they usually have some nice dollar value, to draw your attention toward them and make sure users attempt to swap them.

I don't know the inner workings of EVMs, but I know when you approve a swap, you allow the smart contract running the token to make a transaction of a limited amount from your wallet. Those contracts usually set the limit very high, so they can steal funds from your wallet. Most people won't bother looking at the maximum amount they allow when approving a transaction, so they fall for it. In fact, the best protection against such tokens is to never interact with them at all. If you don't know where you received a token from on an EVM and can't find clear details about it, leave it alone, even if the dollar amount appeals to you. Alternatively, if you only have a few tokens that matter in your wallet, before you interact with it, move them all to a different wallet. Then, even if it's a scam, it can't steal anything from your wallet.

Hive and Hive-Engine More User Friendly

On Hive L1 you can't do any of the above. So nothing like this can happen with HIVE or HBD, as far as I am aware. One reason why you can't do it with HIVE and HBD is because Hive doesn't have (and probably never will have) smart contracts at the base layer. If they are at the second layer, they can affect what is on the second layer, but not the base layer. That, on top of scalability issues of smart contracts at the base layers.

On Hive-Engine, which is still the only highly-used Hive sidechain, some bad things are possible, but for example, you can never be worried that by swapping two tokens you can lose funds from your account as it is possible on EVMs.

Since swaps are a regular operation, if users don't have to worry about them is a great deal. Not to mention swap fees on HE are very good for small transactions since they are on a percentage base (0.25%).

That being said, spam tokens exist on Hive-Engine too, but they are harmless, and can be sold without worrying. A H-E token is not protected from rug pull or changes to the tokenomics from the owner, as is not on EVMs either (although on EVMs they found the solution to automatically delay the time when a contract becomes effective after being published so that people can take action before a malicious change can be introduced, via timelocks). Unlike EVMs however, on Hive/Hive-Engine, owners have a social reputation, which they will harm if they start getting involved in shady things.

User Experience

I've been involved in various ecosystems in different degrees. I can honestly say EVMs don't rank well on user experience. That includes many of the UIs, but mostly, the fees and pitfalls that the unsuspecting user can run into. Like the one with scam tokens, which opens the door for stealing funds from the user's account by exploiting a feature of the blockchain.

EVMs do have interoperability, a big set of developer tools for their impressive development community, and tons of money. That keeps them on top of the game, despite other drawbacks.

Hive doesn't excel on user interfaces either, with very few counterexamples. When you have an ecosystem that is much better suited for onboarding regular people, UI and UX should be a priority. And slowly, we can see a few examples where they started to become one. We also have onboarding systems that counterintuitively act as bottlenecks in bringing in many new users. But maybe we figured out a form of lite Hive account that is really powerful. We'll talk about it another time.


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I have heard, seen, and experienced a lot of scams and rugpulls in BNB and Polygon that I don't want to recommend them to new users. I think Hive is a better alternative. The social aspect is more relatable, and they can appreciate the advantages of crypto and blockchain.

Oh yeah, I've experienced a couple of rug pulls too. But I also made some profit during the defi craze. Overall, like you, I wouldn't recommend them to new users, because they are likely to run into bad actors more than on Hive. The social aspect of Hive has more benefits than for interacting. You have fewer bad actors (or they don't have a reputation and they are looked upon with circumspection to begin with if they try to "sell" something), they are more easily discovered, and the word spreads out quickly.

Yeah that's true. The reputation system is a good deterrent.

I agree that the scams happen quite often in the EVM space. It's crazy to see how much just approving a contract can allow that platform or person to extract from your account. Hive is much better because you tend to have to approve everything with your key. It's safer.

I don't know if they built it this way because of smart contracts at L1 or if they had something else in mind, but that's fertile ground for easy scams, and people not familiar with EVMs will fall for that.

We will see how things will be once we have our own smart contracts. But at least they'll be at the second layer. And they surely add lots of benefits and potential to an ecosystem.

Thanks for this timely information! Recently, I've seen new tokens appearing on one of my crypto wallets and I'm kind of tempted to swap them for more valuable tokens. I think spam tokens are less harmful than scam tokens, knowing how to recognize both is a needed skill to have.

You're welcome! Yeah, don't swap them unless it's a clean wallet and there's (almost) nothing they can take from it.

I think spam tokens are less harmful than scam tokens, knowing how to recognize both is a needed skill to have.

Unless a scam token is disguised as spam. I wouldn't touch any of these tokens you have no idea what they are on EVMs.

Not just with EVMs but with L1s such as Solana too. Getting a lot of mysterious tokens sent to my wallet there. Just need to be careful and like you said, not to interact with them.

As for UI & UX, chains like Solana and Cosmos are miles ahead of Hive in that sector. Most dapps on L2s also.

That being said, Hive is a safer play with less opportunities and more issues and complexity. Still, gotta love it hoping it'll improve some day!

Yeah, I meant for both security and being relatively safe from the proliferation of scams' point of view and from the usability pov.

I don't know enough of Solana, but from what I've heard it's not the UX it lacks. When it comes to Cosmos, I agree. They have good or great UX and good interoperability between the ecosystems tied by IBC. It is a bit complex to understand for someone who doesn't spend enough time trying to understand the various types of networks that interconnect using IBC and are part of the broader Cosmos ecosystem.

On Solana it is endless scam NFTs being dropped too. I can't believe there isn't a way to filter this garbage out.

Is it the same risk of your funds being stolen by using them like on EVMs?

I think so, I don't interact with these scam transactions.

It’s just better to invest on Hive tokens so one can have peace of mind
That’s just the way forward

I don't know about investment. But selling or swapping unknown tokens you receive on Hive-Engine will never pose a risk to users.

It is a fact that there are many such projects in the market which deceive people and disappear, so one should never invest money in such projects which have been working for a long time. And we know many things about them, so we should invest on these platforms.

Scams are everywhere. Crypto, non-crypto, online, offline. Where there's a potential gain, there will be people willing to scam others.

Just like that, every person is engaged in taking money from others.

I hope not every person. That would be sad.

Hope so.

I would fall for that for sure, it's very tricky unless you are a crypto expert

I was lucky to hear about this risk early. I think many users would assume it's safe to swap them when it's not.

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