The JUNO Whale Saga, New twists in the Story

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The Ongoing Saga of the JUNO Whale.

If you saw my post from a few days ago, you will be familiar with the saga of the JUNO Whale. In case you missed it, basically one entity had multiple ATOM wallets at the time of the JUNO airdrop and gained a huge number of tokens (over 10% of total supply). There is a governance vote for JUNO stakers underway to forcefully remove the stake from the whale via a chain upgrade. Since my last post, new details have emerged, the Whale has come out and plead their case, and signs of internal division amongst the core dev team seem to be emerging.

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Getting up to speed.

I'll drop a few links here for those not familiar, if you wish to get up to speed with this situation.

New Developments.

Since my last post, much has happened. The Whale has identified themselves as a kind of fund manager (for lack of a better term) for a group of Japanese investors . These investors are people they bring into crypto, focusing on ATOM, and they manage funds for them for a 10% commission. All of these activities pre-date any talk of Cosmos airdrops, and particularly this JUNO drop in question. They provide details of two validators on the Cosmos Hub they run, and attempt to explain the lack of transparency around how they have managed JUNO and OSMO airdrops.

My impression is that their statement is a little shady, and a lot of their plans are being developed/altered in response to being called out. It is unclear, but in my opinion doubtful, whether they had intentions to distribute these funds gained from the drops to the rightful owners, their investors. in any regard, the "intentional gaming of the airdrop" narrative has largely been discredited. It is clear these wallets where in place way before the JUNO project even existed, and indeed many of the wallets held 100K ATOM each in them, which was double the whale cap imposed of 50K.

Still, something does need to happen, however forcibly removing these funds via governance and a chain upgrade feels like the wrong solution to me. I feel that negotiations between the Whale, the core team, and some respected validators to find a peaceful solution. Surely there is another way, one that will recognize that the drop design itself was flawed, and also the Whale's actions have been shady, but that compromises can be found that will be acceptable to all parties.

Signs of division.

The most concerning thing in this whole saga for me, apart from the willingness to alter the chain state to remove funds from a specific wallet, is the emerging signs of division at Core-1 (the lead dev's behind JUNO). Early on in this saga, it was Wolfcontract who lead the charge on Prop 16, and they have been to my mind the most visible member of Core-1 team. The proposal text indicated that it came from Core-1.

However, just under 24 hours ago, Multichain Maximalist, another prominent member of Core-1 released this detailed tweet thread. I won't go into all the detail here, but will drop one quote from the thread that causes concern:

Most annoying to me personally, is that the proposal says "Proposed by Core-1", and yet it didn't come from the actual core1_official multisig.
If it doesn't have the signature of the core1_official multisig, it did not truly come from Core 1.

Next, with barely 24 hours remaining on the vote time limit for Prop 16, the official Core-1 account releases this tweet thread basically calling for people to switch to a "NO" vote on the prop. The tweet thread has caused much confusion and further division in the community, with many declaring they would not change and committing to retaining the YES vote.

One final twitter thread of note come from Wolfcontract, who returned to twitter a couple of days after saying he was done with it. In this tweet he simply reaffirmed that his personal vote and his Validator vote (SG-1) was remaining as YES. He also released this thread in response to discussions around contacts he had with the Whale in question.

Where to now?

The now infamous Prop 16 has less than 24 hours to run. Currently, the YES vote looks like it will still prevail, with just over 50% of the vote. One impressive thing to note from this whole saga is the turnout, with over 93% participation in the vote. The thing to note ultimately is that Prop 16 is merely a signaling proposal, it of itself is not immediately enforceable. The likelihood is high that now there will be further votes, and possibly proposals from the Whale themselves, for solutions to this. Also, the final upgrades required to implement prop 16 into code will likely need a vote, I think.

With so much water already under the bridge, there is still much yet to play out in this saga.

I think the one thing that is clear is that the internal workings of the Core-1 team needs tightening up. For one member to put out a proposal claiming its from the team, only to be contradicted by another speaks to a clear need for roles and responsibilities to be clarified. With the JUNO chain now having shown so much potential, and already having grown so much, the dev team behind it need to ensure they are clear, rational and considered in their communications.

Thanks for reading, feel free to express your thoughts in the comments below.

Cheers,

JK.


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My opinion remains the same, they should have given consideration to cheaters, pre airdrop, not post.

Since they didn't they should move forward, not alter wallets.

I feel really strongly that once you alter a wallet for any reason is now everyone knows you CAN and YOU will, which makes the reasons.. Really unimportant in a secure world of blockchain.

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Yeah, I agree overall. My vote has remained a NO. Forcefully altering the chain state to remove peoples tokens, for whatever reason, is going to far. Fork (like steem/hive, or Eth/Eth classic) if you like, but flat out stealing is going to far.

A wise person once said "Stealing is wrong, mkay".

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The devs should have made the airdrop a smaller % of the supply + smaller caps if they were worried about this a situation like this, it is their own terrible planning that caused this and now they want to punish someone who may not being completely honest (I dont think they were going to give the airdrop to their customers), but it is extremely unlikely they could have planned this, as the airdrop detail were not announced until after it happened.

Totally agree. Once everyone knows its possible, it now becomes an option. That said, it does require a vote, which is how these decentralized things are supposed to work. In this case, however, I agree with you. These are things you're supposed to have in place before you have an issue. It's hard to fault someone playing by the rules as written even though they are gaming the system. Unethical? Probably, as they could have easily brought their situation up before the airdrop went live. But at this point it kind of is what it is.

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Yep, goes back to the basic point that teams running airdrops need to plan ahead, and do more research into who is getting the tokens, BEFORE the drop, not months later.

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All the reason for you bro, because if they try to remove the wallet they will use that backdoor to start a witch hunt that will end up affecting the whole system.

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JUNO devs have destroyed their credibility, and have basically committed suicide with this terrible decision.

Code is the law. If it could not limit the wallets from receiving airdrop, voting after the airdrop does not feel right.
I am more worried about the reputation of the project.

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I have concerns now also. My bag of JUNO (definitely not a whale size to be sure, but its notable in my portfolio) feels a little less secure in all of this. Division amongst the core dev team is a concern also.

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Yup, their rep is already dead at this point imo. Doesnt matter any more, this project will fail, people will bring this up again and again until it kills the project. If anyone holds this, DUMP everything ASAP.

This whole thing is just a complete mess. Most of the comments from the community concern me more than anything. Just the fact that the community is okay with stripping funds from a wallet truly concerns me that it will happen again. Just let’s me know I am going to just hold what I have for airdrops and sell staking rewards. No more. Still considering unstaking and selling but going to wait and see how it progresses.

I agree, the reaction from the community was appalling, so many people saying to steal the funds (yes, thats right, STEAL). A lot of the newbie kids only care about money now, and do not give a shit about the core principles of crypto or why it was created in the first place. Crypto was born as a means of ESCAPING banks and government's financial tyrrany, to instead have control over your own money, and have true financial freedom with online payments for the first time ever. This kind of thing betrays those core principles, and should be shunned by the crypto community.

Yeah, it’s a weird irony with the kids today… a bunch of communists that only care about money, lol.

Now Just wondering if this whale sell all his stake in one go, crashing JUNO and buying itself in Crash?

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They are trying to push through this "upgrade" before the whale can dump. Their tokens are all staked, with a 28 day unlock. They are selling around $300K per day of staking rewards, but won't be able to unlock in time.

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Thanks for guiding us through the whole story. As someone that's not involved in Cosmos, I had no idea this was taking place.

It's definitely a complex situation but I do hope it doesn't come down to tokens being forcefully removed from a wallet as I believe this may just well be the worst possible outcome for this scenario.

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It looks like the tokens will be removed, with this vote passing. Likely to be another week of drama as now there needs to be another vote, with the actual code to implement this chain "upgrade".

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Great post, thanks for the updates.

I want to dive deeper into ATOM tokenomics and understand how it accrues values/earn fees from the cosmos. Do you have good links on the subject?

As I'm doing my research a lot of the posts on the subject are old and do not cover updates that happened.

I did this post a little while ago:
https://leofinance.io/@jk6276/getting-started-in-cosmos-atom-beginners-guide

A lot of the recent benefits around holding and staking ATOM have been the airdrop's. The biggest thing coming for Cosmos chain itself is interchain security, which will come soon. What this means is that Cosmos validators will be able to validate other chains also, and then their delegators can earn multiple tokens aside from ATOM.

ATOM at the moment isn't really capturing much value from all the growth in the broader eco-system around it. Each chain is separate, and ATOM isn't like Polka Dot where the linked chains are auctioned slots.

The network effect is strong, but ATOM is kind of the safe, low risk play in the space.

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thanks for all that. But I also understand there are fees paid everytime a chain interacts with the cosmos hub, am I correct?

The whitepaper says fees are for spam prevention and validators earn them, is that true? I can't find enough details about fees in block explorers for some reason.

At this point, only a Juno / Juno2.0 fork would solve the issue. Let the whale keep the Juno's and give him significantly less Juno2.0's... see which chain takes off.

Probably the only really fair solution. But it does not seem likely to go this way. This prop is just a signaling prop, and it is still open to negotiation and the implementation remains to be seen. Still time for a peaceful compromise, if all sides are prepared to negotiate and compromise.

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This is quite concerning. At the end of the day the person was entitled to the airdrops? Or did they try to do an anti whale approach and limit how much was distributed?

This was always a flawed approach and anyone can establish multiple wallets. If there are loop holes people will exploit them.

Scary thing to be altering peoples wallets though, Juno will lose points.

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Yup, nobody will trust this coin now. I would not put a single cent in a project like this.

From "the outside looking in" ...

"For one member to put out a proposal claiming its from the team, only to be contradicted by another speaks to a clear need for roles and responsibilities to be clarified. With the JUNO chain now having shown so much potential, and already having grown so much ..."

... this stands out to me @jk6276. Misrepresentation is just a fancy word for something worse ... It does not speak well for the "powers that be" behind JUNO.

No matter how this vote turns out, but especially if YES wins, I would be very surprised if the market doesn't "judge" it as unacceptable (or at least very uncomfortable) and the price tanks ...

Thanks for keeping us informed on it. Looking forward to the "post mortem!"

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You are right, I have seen this happen before over the years, it will absolutely destroy the project if they steal the money from him.

Stating again I have "no dog in this fight" @jk6276, I have now read the latest message from this "whale." Successful in 5 industries over a long professional career, I am now retired. From that experience base, simply from reading what they have written, I personally think they have made a compelling argument in their defense.

In life, it is always good to "step back," as much as humanly possible, and do our best to try and "see" from the perspective of the other party. While it may not completely "close the gap" in perception, with good intentions it almost cannot fail to help ...

Key to their argument is blockchain technology provides a largely "open book" to prove or disprove claims. I am a strong advocate for being innocent until proven (beyond a shadow of a doubt!) guilty. And the "prosecutor" bears the burden of that effort ...

My input is the CORE-1 "mouth" that got all of this started (along with misrepresenting themselves ...) has a lot of work to do, to refute what this "whale" has stated in their defense ...

Ohh, wait a minute ... This is all going to be "over" in less than 24 hours ... Glad I am not invested in JUNO ...

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Vote ended up passing, with sufficient YES votes. Impressively, around 98% of tokens voted, an incredible turn out. So now the more detailed "Prop 17" is being much more carefully worded, and it will actually be the implementation of the wishes expressed with this vote. So likely to be another week of drama to come around this issue.

Slowly lightening my JUNO bags, wary of a community so willing to seize funds. I totally get that they should not have got the airdrop, but they did, and taking it off them months later seems wrong.

Anyway, it's an interesting case study into POS governance and it's practical implementation. Will be interesting to watch the long term impacts on the credibility of the project.

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Thanks for the update.

"Will be interesting to watch the long term impacts on the credibility of the project."

No question!

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Hmm, I am thinking about the reputation of this project, because we are so confused about the whole thing now

There are thousands of coins out there, do not waste your time with ones that have bad reputations like this coin now has, it will increase your risk and lower your potential reward exponentially.


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Juno Network’s future is uncertain, and the situation may have broader implications for token governance and redistribution among crypto communities.

I will add to this… I am now officially unstaking my JUNO and selling it. This community is so full of crap and I won’t have thing else to do with it. This is a flip flop nightmare on all ends. The community is being heavily divided and the people saying yes, are obviously only worried about their portfolio than the fundamentals of crypto.

My impression is that their statement is a little shady,

Unfortunately they have the grounds to bring about whatever valid reasons they can muster, thanks to the erroneous airdrop.

I smell a chain split coming

Damn this is turning into a Netflix TV 📺 Series.

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I like my Juno and indeed all Cosmos investments. Will be looking on with a bit of apprehension as to what will happen now though!

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a pragmatic approach is needed..

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