So you'd like to pull the rug out from a tokenized community because tokenized communities are the future. Interesting.
And my investment? It can just go away? I'm better off going to hide in some segregated portion of the internet and buying into an unproven product that just sits around and talks about itself all day?
Why not simply enjoy doing the things you like to do without running interference and attempting to take away from others and what they built?
And why work to be more relevant in crypto when most of the world doesn't care about crypto and crypto is trying to make itself more relevant to the world?
Are those tribes truly working or is that just a group on discord that seems to be a few steps ahead of everyone else every time something new comes out? Meanwhile members simply stack tags making each tribe or community nearly identical...
Why call the content here "blogging" when much of it isn't even close to "blogging"?
Let me know when your wallet becomes zero because of it.
We can keep maintain a status quo that doesn’t quite work.
Yes, you've all been saying it's going to zero since the first day I arrived. Based on the same logic, all these tribes are going to zero as well, correct?
Why not simply flip the business model? Instead of catering to giving free handouts to what you describe as something worthless, in so many words, why not focus on consumers? "Nobody will pay out of pocket for content here..." Correct? Even though people all over the internet do pay for free content, getting ripped off along the way. The tribes don't even sell their content. Why is that? Do you know? Why is something that typically generates billions annually treated like an expense here? Could it be because the crypto crowd doesn't understand the business they're in? I think so.
And thinking the internet is only about content is why we are still stuck.
It’s about things to do.
Stop pigeon-holing everything into one and we might get somewhere more fun. There can be creators and consumers but not everyone are them.
Games, nfts, yadda yadda yadda. It's all content. And of course not everyone is a content creator. That's why you'll see one instance of content, like a video on Youtube, with 100k views. That's 100k consumers. Everyone is a consumer of something online. No denying that.
You mentioned viral content. Do you know what makes it difficult for content to go viral these days? The fact several instances of the same content are plastered all over the place. If I post, let's say 100 view on Hive blog. So from that group only a few will share and that link will only travel and spread as far as that group can take it. Same with the PeakD. That group can only send the the peakd link they shared so far before that too stagnates. Then say I used a tribe tag. Same thing. That group viewing on POB as example can only share that link so far. An article or Youtube video goes viral because there is ONE instance surrounded by ALL consumers who then share that one instance which travels further since the market wasn't fractured. Take those characters who post their bogus 'news' junk on every crypto platform they can find. Notice how not one of them ever goes viral even though their content is "everywhere"? That's why...
Doesn't matter. Name one piece of recognisable content where people are like "that was from Hive".
It does matter. You always need consumers to be around and share. I brought up how some pay consumers to not consume and how the fractured markets play a role in preventing content from going viral. Those are problems that can be solved. Blaming the content creators in a sense for things beyond their control is flawed logic.
All of my content is recognizable and people know it comes from Hive. So I named several and it was easy.
And what's wrong with some people enjoying the content like videos, art, music, articles, personalities, etc while others enjoy games or investment opportunities or whatever. Nobody is forcing everyone to do all the things. For instance I don't give a shit I can't use the LEO tag every time I post and I don't feel like I'm losing because my content doesn't fit. For the most part I'm not even interested in crypto but you don't see me telling those people to shut it down so we can make this all about content creation and consumption.
People can do whatever the hell they want here. What's wrong with that? Nothing.
I don’t know what the hell you are arguing about but keep typing.
You seem highly offended by the idea of each community having their own token and think that would somehow dilute your HIVE when it wouldn’t.
If it did, ETH would have failed long ago with ERCs.
I'm not offended. This is just what happens when people try to have a conversation. You probably think I'm trying to 'win' the conversation but really all I'm doing is offering my ideas.
To be honest I don't even know where you get that idea from. I have no problem at all with community tokens and only talked about ways to create demand for them, and I included Hive as well since it's a community token.
Ah okay. My mistake.
Such is the limit of text-based communication.
If I'm a consumer and my goal is support/buy/subscribe to some form of content I enjoy, have I spent any money if I move funds from my bank account to my Hive account, as example? No. I've simply transferred value from one place to the next meanwhile there's no risk since the goal was to throw that money away anyway, but this time it's still in my possession, and I'm free to tip, daily, with votes, as my money grows, rather than never seeing it again.
That's how sell the content here.
What's hilarious to me is how a magazine with ten daily contributors can provide an entry level salary to each one of those contributors with only 20k subscribers that all have a vote worth a penny. Very small numbers, very minimal 'investment' that technically doesn't cost the consumer a dime, making whatever content one wants to sell an even easier sell. And because of how crypto works, it becomes incredibly difficult to hit 'zero' with all that added buy pressure. Scale this up further with several communities or magazines or whatever label you want to attach to the superficial nonsense part and it's almost impossible to not see the potential. And it's funny to me because I've been talking about this for years, not many can grasp the concepts even though its sitting right under their noses for several years now, and people are still scratching their heads, wanting to turn this potential into just another cryptocurrency that people use to hope for miracles and flip for profits then move on to the next one leaving it in the dust. It's hilarious.
You say that, but I find people a lot less generous on Hive when it comes to tipping.
Most do not want to tip anything other than upvotes.
At the same time, why? When you can earn 100x off of some speculative bs? It’s all a numbers game.
It’s all rehashing by this point.
Voting is a form of tip. We are tipping, we just call it something else and pretend we're not tipping. Tipping compared to voting is a total ripoff. And a content consumer willing to tip over time with votes rather than all in one shot with money they'll burn and have to replace by working or whatever; that's not the same as a 'crypto investor'. The crypto investors here are the ones who offer potential consumers a reason to be paid to look away from the products and generate money from doing nothing, while the content goes without views, then the crypto crowd sits and thinks there's something wrong with the content, even though it was the crypto crowd that paid people to not look at it.
That’s why making investors curators is a bad idea.
HIVE is a token being used by too many different roles and they eventually conflict.
Consumers can be investors. It's not a bad idea at all. In a sense, that's how business usually works. You'd see far more interest in a tribe token for instance if the concept was sold to consumers. What investor would be disappointed with interest in the token they've invested in?
One can sell their product by technically charging nothing. That concept can be applied to any product and work just fine. And its funny to me because all people do is argue when I bring it up, instead of being able to understand what I'm trying to tell them, as it sits directly under their noses.
I think what most fail to understand is when you have a product like content such as videos, articles, games; you're not looking for crypto investors, you're looking for paying consumers who just happen to be using crypto, making them an indirect crypto investor, yet being an investor was never their goal. Attempting to convert or force consumers into being crypto investors, following that script, will spell disaster. Each individual in a community plays a role. The potential of each role should be realized and respected.
Anyway. Good talk, I guess.
It is good talk. And yes, consumers can be investors.
I guess when I'm thinking of investors, I was aiming at the ones who don't care to be consumers, but have overwhelming stake (not that it's a bad thing by default).
And trouble comes when they try to impose their agenda of profiteering because there aren't things built in place to mitigate certain ideas (bid bots come to mind).
I know PeakD has recurring transactions and 3Speak is going for the subscription model. When they are more fleshed out, I hope @lordbutterfly pitch those in as part of the marketing campaign.