Carbon Footprints

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Yesterday I went to pick up the diamond ring I bought for my wife, to commemorate the birth of our daughter. It is not the one picture here, this is one that was in the display while I was waiting for them to bring the other - which is a thin band lined with diamonds and made from platinum, to match the engagement and wedding rings.

When the attendant came, she opened the little box for me to check it and after I approved, showed me the card that has all the details on it, which is mostly for insurance purposes, put them all in a bag, handed it over and wished me a good day.

I should probably pay for it.

When I ordered I put a 50% deposit down, with the rest to come when picking it up, but it seems that she didn't know this and was going to let me out the door without checking if it had been paid for. When I said that I should pay, she was pretty thankful that I mentioned it, and then I joked that I don't mind not paying if she prefers.

It wasn't cheap.

But, what I was wondering is what would have happened if I had walked out. I assume that they would have realized the mistake and called, then I would have had to explain that I had "forgotten" that I hadn't paid and then have to go back in and pay, as if I was in the wrong. That would suck.

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Finns are pretty trustworthy people for the most part and they pride themselves on it, but what I have noticed is that when there are even small amounts of money on the table, they don't mind doing what they can to make it theirs.

For example, an ex used to work in a corner store and the amount of people who would try and steal small-cost items was incredibly high. When she first started, she didn't notice it, but I would pick her up from her late shifts and sit there early reading and having a coffee. As people would come in, I would motion to which would steal and almost without fail, I was right. Perhaps it is because no one is watching for Finns to steal, but they aren't very good at hiding it and due to my own retail past in Australia, I had practice looking out for the signs.

I was talking with a friend last night about this, after he brought it up from the perspective of sales, where he works. He was saying that even for small amounts, sales people were willing to "steal" from others if they could - and these people were otherwise good people.

I think it isn't the money or the value of it, but I think Finns have a culture of highly valuing "getting something for free" to the point that they will break laws at times to get it or, jeopardize their personal relationships to get their high. I think it is a dopamine kick, a gamified experience of a kleptomaniac that kicks in and compels them to chase the next high.

It isn't only the Finns though and I think this behavior is pervasive all through society across the globe, but I wonder if it is getting worse, now that we are less connected to each other personally. Are we more likely to think about what we can get out of something, rather than what us getting it out is going to cost us. To me at least, it feels that the more we get disconnected from a stable community, the more selfish and greedy we become and I think it might be because there is less accountability and consistent responsibility - we don't have to save face with a community, because we are members of many and often our faces are insulated digitally, so we feel less exposed to repercussions.

This is probably what drives so much of the negative interaction online too, where people are looking to "score" against others by any means they can, without caring at what cost. It probably also makes people more blind to being scammed also, where the need to satisfy personal desires makes people less likely to identify risk factors - like all that scam spam on discord.

Even if I walked out of that store and never got chased for the money, I would know and that wouldn't make the ring sweeter, it would instead it would ruin its history for me. Rather than be a memory of my daughter's birth, it would carry shame every time I saw it, or my wife showed someone. No matter how bright the diamonds shine or clean the platinum, it would forever be tarnished dulled.

It is funny though, because I know people who would likely feel the opposite. That getting one over on the jeweler would make the ring worth more, because they got away with it. I understand the sentiment to some extent, especially if it is in regards to some authority, but when it comes to a small, private and local company or a friend - is there no shame?

It takes all types to make this world though and because of the variations, there are a lot of opportunities that arise. While homogeneity might be easier, it leads to low innovation, because there is no risk. Risk makes us develop to mitigate those risks and as a result, we end up building more robustly and systems that have backup systems. It is one of the reasons that blockchain technologies have arrived and why they are improving and must improve - because the more value they hold, the more they are going to come under attack, as we have seen recently.

People see the hacks as a failure, but what they end up instigating, is a strengthening. While an individual chain can fail, the decentralized system becomes stronger, making it antifragile - the more pressure that is applied, the stronger it becomes. Black swan events will happen, but due to the diversity of the system, none of them are going to be cataclysmic and those that die, will provide knowledge for the improvement of the survivors. At some point, it is diverse enough and strong enough across so many points, that it is near unassailable.

Diamonds are made under pressure.
Not all carbon becomes a diamond.

Taraz
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"Even if I walked out of that store and never got chased for the money, I would know and that wouldn't make the ring sweeter..."

I suffer from that damn honesty is the best policy curse also. Buy I have learned to live with it.

I wonder what the percentage would be of the millionaires. That also have this curse, vs. The ones that do not..?

I'd suspect that many have it, because they often need to have trusted relationships to build their businesses.

This reminds me of a scenario:
Many years ago there was a massive fire at a resort where I worked, and one of the Duty-Free Jewellery shops was saved from the fire but lost everything to massive looting by staff.
A colleague walked me to her car boot to show me a chest of expensive jewellery she looted (I'm talking thousands of USD worth).
My naive response:
"... and how do you feel about the jewellery knowing that you stole it? Do you still see beauty in them, or does it ride your conscience every time you look at them?"

She asked me what nonsense I was talking about...

Years later she came to beg me for money. I asked her if her jewellery sales did not bring her a lifetime of wealth she had anticipated. She responded that she had fallen on hard times...

Rather than be a memory of my daughter's birth, it would instead ruin its history for me. Rather than be a memory of my daughter's birth, it would carry shame every time I saw it, or my wife showed someone.

Sadly, only a minuscule of persons still believe honesty is the best way.

I've attached this song; I use it as a compass for different scenarios regarding human behavior, especially this line:
"...the only difference I can see, is in the conscience, and the shade of the skin..."

I hope you'll rock to the tune of it...It's one of my all time favourite reggae songs that has resonated with me from I was a little girl:)

Thanks for the song!

You know, it is a funny story you tell (sad) as I have seen the same thing with people here - they have proudly talked about various benefits they got, selling at the highs etc, but when things really took off, they complained that they don't have anything, they aren't supported. Not that they have acted like criminals, but there is a mindset of gain in there somewhere that holds them back from really benefiting.

"Hard times" seem to fall on the same people again and again, no matter how many opportunities they have to improve their lot in life.

There's nothing free in life, everything is a trade-off. That includes stealing even if it were accidental.

Yep. I don't believe in Karma, but I think we tend to know right from wrong and even if our intention was otherwise, we tend to punish ourselves.

The Soul suffers under injustice, even if you are the perpetrator

we don't have to save face with a community

From my experience with online communities, you kind of do. Even with particularly large communities around popular things, it's not unusual to have several of the same people in several different places, so if you persist in being stupid in one community, others in other related communities will hear about it eventually.

It is one of the reasons why a lot of us are pseudonymous (we're not using "real" names, sometimes very obviously so, but whatever name it is, is consistent, like in my case, this username/avatar combination on other websites is probably me, and I have been this particular username/avatar across various websites for the last...20 years or so x_x).

It probably also makes people more blind to being scammed also

Hm, that would make sense, and a deadly combo coupled with the smug absolute certainty that they're extremely intelligent and could easily spot any scam.

People see the hacks as a failure, but what they end up instigating, is a strengthening

Who are these perfect people that have never made a mistake or failed anything before? O_O

Yeah, with some communities for sure - especially the ones where there is a skill to sell or present. On Hive we have seen many people burn their account to the ground through poor behavior, even if no one knows who they are IRL.

I see all the scams - no one can fool me! ;D

Who are these perfect people that have never made a mistake or failed anything before? O_O

Those who have never created anything that has got judged.

Being a drama llama could get you booted out of some of the communities I was in, and there were a lot of them (drama llamas not communities XD).

Edit: missed the last bit. So they never even got stuff wrong at work or when learning things? Damn O_O

I think it is a form of self-actualization now...
The way of the Dalai Drama Llama.

They know they got things wrong of course - but that was justifiable.

but I wonder if it is getting worse, now that we are less connected to each other personally. Are we more likely to think about what we can get out of something, rather than what us getting it out is going to cost us.

The more we spend time alone, especially during the pandemic the more we tend to think what we do alone is right, moral or ethic. As you said we might get selfish, emotionless towards the situations we face. I don't mean stealing something, but at least I feel that I would have not done some things I do now in the pre pandemic era. I can say that I have been a liitle bit more reckless for two years.

The isolation of the last two years has been compounded on the divide and conquer techniques employed to digitally isolate us behind screens for the last 20. It has ramped up our selfishness in so many ways, even against those we say we care about.

Here in South Africa we are in need of a lot of things, like hospitals, schools etc, but the high ranking parlementarians steel bilions of Rands and they think it is ok, and the want to justify themselves when caught out!!

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A theft economy. Russia is the same, which is why I disagree with countries taking the billions from the Russian oligarchs, because it isn't their money, it is money stolen from the Russian people.

All this steeling is ruining the country!!

For sure - it is rampant in SA - it is happening everyewhere....

If you had gone with it without paying, and maybe lay claim to have paid completely, I am not so sure, but there is a possibility that the carbon you left the shop with without paying in full could lead to a court case. One question; could being a jeweller be tasking for a person to not check the books to see if a jewellery to be picked was paid in full or not?

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It could lead to a court case for sure, but only if I refused to pay after. However, I would feel bad for walking out.

I don't know why she didn't check, but perhaps they are used to people paying the full amount at the start. I paid the half because I wanted to see the ring before committing to the rest.

I wouldn't be surprised if people just didn't remember and walked out of the store. Of course, the person who would get hit hard by that would have been the employee who didn't take the money or they might hound you back for the money. Either way, it's not nice and I think it's better to just settle accounts on the spot so there are no issues later.

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I wouldn't want someone to suffer because of their error in this regard and it isn't costing me, as I had already agreed to pay earlier - the money was already gone. What would be nice however, is if in these situations, they rewarded good behavior with a token gesture. Not that it necessarily should be, but incentivizing what you want to see more of in the world, definitely helps getting more of it. A lollipop would have been plenty :)

Integrity and honesty live lonely lives in a world of selfishness and entitlement. Morality has been on the decline for decades. Yet, it is still up to the moral to influence the world by setting the example and in so doing teaching others through this example of what is right and wrong. Hundreds of years ago, folks would get cruel punishments and even death if they were found stealing. I think today we are at the other extreme.

Integrity is frowned upon now I feel - as if unless you are doing something to maximize outcomes, you are a failure for having a belief system. look at the sports people who chose not to get vaccinated.

I love the story, the message and the way you closed it. Diamonds are made from carbon under pressure. But not all carbon becomes a diamond. The same pressure that brings out the best in some people can bring out the worst in others. Bravo Maestro you are truly a master of the word.

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The same pressure that brings out the best in some people can bring out the worst in others.

Exactly. So if we fashion the world to protect from the worst, we are going to limit our best.

Now the second part I hadn't anticipated, but it flows logically from the first.
It has a sense of symmetry and logic. I know we have downvotes here on HIve that people complain about, but your response has been consistently that they are a necessary part of our freedom here, they represent that freedom, and I see more clearly how that works.
Thanks, they will be easier to acknowledge as an important part of Hive.

It is unfortunate at times that they are needed, but they are needed at times. Yes, they aren't always used well, but for the most part from the larger stakeholders who care about the longevity and development of Hive, they are applied quite well.

The thing about Diamonds is that they are artificially inflated in price. They have warehouses where they only release a certain amount at a time to keep the prices up.

Yes, DeBeers controls 90% od the supply still. Of they release them all, they are worthless... But, they are still hard as fuck :)

DeBeers controls 90% ? wooooooot

Yep - it used to be 100 I think, but they had to give up some control. There is a reason that Diamonds aren't stock listed as a commodity.

What da hell, makes me really wonder

. I think it is a dopamine kick, a gamified experience of a kleptomaniac that kicks in and compels them to chase the next high.

Over here in Africa, this is called "being possessed by an evil spirit" 😂😂.

I would not compare the stealing the Finn's do with the ones done by Nigerians. It's a whole new level.

I love the way you paint the picture of hacking being a precipitant for stronger networks in the crypto space. But I would like to ask, pleas what is a black swan event?

Lol... Blame evil spirits on everything?

almost every bad thing has a spiritual cause. We are the most religious and superstitious folks on the planet. You don't want to hear somethings that Nigerians believe.

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Lovely story.

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