Mind Punk'd

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To mark the start of vacation last night, my wife suggested we head into the city for dinner - with dinner being a place where we all ate salads. We are trying to be a bit healthier. It is a funny thing though, as I feel better after eating a salad than I do eating something a little more trashy, but still.... not as satisfied in the moment. It is one of those short, mid and long view conflicts.

Often, we favor the short view on things, the instant gratification, immediate return. It could be in regards to food, where it tastes good right now, makes us feel a bit sick sometime later and if we continue doing the same consistently, make us quite ill or in poor condition down the track.

It is the same for the way we use money too of course, where the short view might be a spontaneous purchase that makes us feel good now, but in the mid range the feeling will fade to nothing and in the long term, the cost of the opportunity-cost of these purchases heavily outweighs the feelings we had in the moment we made them.

The problem with the gratification timeline is that humans are very much programmed to instant gratify without a lot of thought for the future, especially in regard to resource allocation and usage. Plus, this is further negatively compounded, because we are also very bad at judging how we are going to feel about our future conditions. This is why so many people favor the short term and say,

"live in the moment"

Forgetting that, future moments are going to be lived as well.

Our own genetic coding punks us.

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No matter how shiny something is in the moment, everything degrades over time, which leading with this assumption means, what makes us happy right now, is going to face "happiness degradation" as we go forward. However, this isn't quite the same for investments, where what we invest now, can see positive return, appreciation.

And, not being very good at thinking about how we feel about our future positions, means that this works in the positive and the negative. We overweigh our current "feel good" moments, but depreciate our future "feel good" moments, believing that the instant gratification return now, is going to be worth more than the future feelings of that moment. But, for anyone who is financially struggling to make ends meet will likely say,

It'd be nice not to have to worry about money constantly.

What I have personally found in my own experiences and interactions with others is, the people who value the present moment consistently higher than their future experience, tend to also be the ones who do not have future experiences that they are happy with. But, because they keep valuing their current experience, they don't look back in time and the role they played in getting into a position where they are struggling.

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And, the other thing I have noticed is, the people who "live in the moment" and criticize those who invest for the future, don't seem to realize that it is possible to live in the moment and simultaneously invest in the future. They think "living" is using all resources possible in that moment, without acknowledging that living in the moment can also be a process of building now, for that future.

And in my own experiences with others who take the live now building for the future approach, they tend to have a far greater appreciation for their current moment, because it is not entirely a consumable, there is a purpose.

“It is not that we have so little time but that we lose so much. ... The life we receive is not short but we make it so; we are not ill provided but use what we have wastefully.”
_ Seneca

If the purpose of life is to live only the moment requiring no future result, that is the simplest thing - because that moment can be the very last moment of life, and it is a life of purpose fulfilled. No other consideration is needed and, it doesn't matter what that experience is. This means that a person can live each moment in absolute agony and, be grateful for it.

Sounds awesome.

Are people who say they are "living in the moment" truly subscribed to this idea? In my own experiences, not at all - because as soon as their "moment" feels negative, *they complain and want a different experience, a different moment. This means they aren't in that moment anymore, they are in their head wanting something else.

Oops.

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But, the happiest people I have met live a hybrid life of moments, where they have decided upon some kind of future result to aim for, which gives them purpose and then, work in the moment toward that end, reflecting on their past behaviors, current position and adjust their future accordingly. This means that they can enjoy the moment whilst investing into their future position, making it a win-win as well as bring a consistency to life and making those pain points valuable, because there is a reason to learn from them.

This is something that the "live the moment" people again seem to omit from their position, because if the goal is to maximize the moment, there is no reason to learn anything for the future at all. Learning is a resource that considers what will happen down the track and if there is no down the track, there is no reason to waste time learning - not to mention, retaining what is learned.

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But, it is because people subscribe to pithy sayings without putting much thought into them, that they end up living their conditioning mindlessly, robotically, by default. The investment mindset is not one that is automatic, it is one that is learned and has to consider the past, the present and the future in order to be able to have a chance of making decisions that are more probable to get us to where we want to go.

But, we as a society encourage instant gratification and consumption, without considering if what we are satisfying ourselves with is adding to our purpose at all. So, we overvalue the immediate positive feelings at the expense of the future, which is more likely to be felt negatively, because we did nothing to position ourselves for conditions that would enable us to feel joy.

And, this is the goal of investing, isn't it? Don't we all want to live a more joyful life, one where we feel that we have a reason to live and that what we do matters? As social animals, doesn't that reason include others into our equation and what we do should in some way improve the experiences of people outside of ourselves?

Not for a moment dwelling hedonist, it doesn't.

In my opinion, it is not only possible to live as an investor into the future as a form of instant gratification, but preferrable to live that way. Because, not only does it satisfy our current momentary needs, it also builds our potential for alternative experiences in the future and can help others improve access to possibilities for others. If there is no one investing into the future, there is no one improving the conditions for others, as everyone is trapped in the moment. This doesn't mean things don't change, but are they likely to change for the better, or degrade?

Last night, I was happy that we went out for the evening meal to "mark" the start of vacations, but once we were in the car, the ulterior motives of my wife became apparent. There was a band playing that she wanted to see, but didn't have a ticket, but the venue was one that could be walked up to. So, after the meal, we went to this place and she stood and listened to the music for a while, as Smallsteps and I wandered around the little harbor.

My wife was thinking ahead, so she could enjoy the moment.

That is an investor mindset.

Taraz
[ Gen1: Hive ]

Oh, the pictures are from the harbor - an old steam engine from a boat and my wife filming through the venue window.

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They'd rather risk being penniless at 60, than risk getting hit by a bus tomorrow, with a half full loyalty card. YOLO.

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I remember being this way back when I was a smoker. "That cigarette now might cost me 20 mins at the end of my life, or whatever the figure was; but lots could happen between now and then; and then I'll have missed out on the nicotine buzz right now, for nothing."

Thought that was some type of engine or brake component! Lol

Yeah living in the moment is good but what many people don’t realize is that many people that are successful struggle for a long time through the difficulties to knowingly enjoy things later on in life if they are able to attain success. It’s not guaranteed for sure but dedication and commitment can go a long way to goals, as long as those goals aren’t too lofty in most cases.

We too have started to trim the diets a bit to lose a few pounds. I’m 6 or so pounds more than where I want to be and normally are and 15 pounds from my best weight ratio. I’d love to get back there if I could but one thing is for sure, the diet is a significant part of that! Walking and exercising more certainly helps too lol but those things are hard because things like donuts and all that are tempting! :D we live near a donut shop that makes fresh donuts every day it’s fucking brutal! Going for a walk and smelling them making donuts lol

It’s not guaranteed for sure but dedication and commitment can go a long way to goals, as long as those goals aren’t too lofty in most cases.

And I think that the lack of "guarantee" is what so many people fear, so they choose to diminish the future value, to get the guarantee now - even if it is a lesser result.

It reminds me of the joke of God creating mana and woman and having two attributes left. He asks, "so who want to pee standing up?" and Adam jumps in first and takes it. Then god says, "So Eve, you get multiple orgasms".

6 pounds only? I would be ecstatic! :D

I think I am about 30 pounds from ideal athletic - but would be happy to lose 15-20.

Fresh donuts close by would kill me!

Good luck on the journey - it is worth it, when it happens :)

The problem with the gratification timeline is that humans are very much programmed to instant gratify without a lot of thought for the future...

It is not like that for me. I also think of the future while I am doing something. It is like I think of the next step before the first step.

everything degrades over time.

I can call this diminishing marginal utility. Wishing something very much in the moment makes us quickly bored of them after owning.

I think that is the "normal" approach, where people do consider the future. Those that don't, tend to be the ones who struggle the most so, likely see the future as a negative to avoid.

Wishing something very much in the moment makes us quickly bored of them after owning.

Everything becomes disposable in the moment it is held too.

I learn something from people on Hive last year, after saving for a year the figures went from 300 to 5k hive this help many in its way, they get to improve their voting power and also have enough to look at for any very dark moment just like what Ukraine face now.
In addition, the price of hive last year in January is nothing compared to the price of Hive today so if you look at it that way nothing is that bad for its investment. and it keeps bringing life to you knowing that there is something you have and want to look forward to.

People are short sighted and if they haven't been through a few cycles and bought at the high, all they know is the loss. If they bought HIVE at 11 cents January 2021, they aren't that upset :)

they don't realize that it is possible to live in the moment and simultaneously invest in the future.

That is true with most people who I have encountered who live completely in the NOW.

Intersting take on this, comparing it to food! It's kind of what the poverty mindset does to people too... a future of wealth in out of reach, and so every week, the entire pay check must be spent for instant gratification.

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a future of wealth in out of reach, and so every week, the entire pay check must be spent for instant gratification.

Yes - and it will always remain out of reach, because of the belief it is. People these days don't seem to be able to find a middle ground, it is either on or off.

It's quite sad actually, but it's true. The mindset is what needs to be changed first! I can't stop learning, I love it too much.

We're working (perhaps a little late in life) on passive income and so far so good... I still have to work, but I'm learning and changing my strategies as I see fit.

There is no problem with working, but some people will never take that step to add additional streams of income and as a result, will find themselves having to work themselves to death.

We've been on that path for sure. Taking advantage of a 20 acre property, renting camp sites right now... it's amazing how much we make off only three sites!!!

ps: have a good vacation!

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what makes us happy right now, is going to face "happiness degradation" as we go forward.

This is a true fact that is really going to happen because how we enjoy a particular moment no doubt will experience degradation as been said sooner or later.

happiness never lasts.

I live in delta state nigeria where i school, due to the strike between the ASUU ( academic staff union. Of university ) and the federal government, i had to travel to my immediate elder brother side, who live in gusau in zamfara state, when i got there anytime i cook he will always complain that the food is not tasty,that i need to spice up the meal,but i told him that all those spice has effect on the long run, he say i will start cooking my own food seperately, what am saying is that we prefer to enjoyed the moment at the expanse of our future, you will enjoy it now, but your old age will pay the price of that youthful enjoyment,what you are saying is entirely truth, let try to live the moment at thesame time be watchful of the future.

Are the spices bad for you? I thought most of them are pretty healthy! :D

It bad,for now u won't notice it, because you are up and doing,but later it wil affect your eyes,joint and Muscle.


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Thinking ahead is always a good thing. From what I see, I prefer to take some pain now so my future is better. It's a trade-off and I'd rather not live paycheck to paycheck to live for the moment.

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No matter how shiny something is in the moment, everything degrades over time, which leading with this assumption means, what makes us happy right now, is going to face "happiness degradation" as we go forward. — in other words no condition is certain to be permanent. The earlier one recognizes and acknowledge this fact the better.

In my opinion, I feel living in the moment and living for a futuristic purpose are sort of interwoven . Living in the moment is unavoidably living in the present , what happens in the present sort of forms a foundation for what is coming next in the future. A balance just needs to be struck on what defines our attitude to living in the present and what we envisage for the future.