There is a lot of turmoil going on right now, especially within the social media realm. Unless one was living on a deserted island somewhere, it is impossible to be unaware of the purge that is taking place on social media. Accounts are being banned in massive numbers.
Facebook and Twitter are the main culprits here. They are flexing their muscles and operating as they see fit. The question is whether they will pay a price for this?
The actions they took have caused many more to close their accounts. It is something that is not going unnoticed by Wall Street.
Here are these two companies charts over the last month from Yahoo Finance.
Facebook:
Twitter:
Naturally, these could be short-term pullbacks. The market is often not telling the story. We will have to see how this progresses over the next couple of months. Initial market moves tend to be overreactions that quickly correct.
Nevertheless, this is something that is to be concerned about for investors. Loss of users (customers) is never a good thing for any business. Sure, companies often "fire" a couple customers here and there; those that are a major pain in the rear end and not worth the headaches for the revenue that they provide.
However, something like this could be a big hit from Wall Street's perspective. If there is a 10%-20% drop in users, this will affect the advertising. All of this rolls to the bottom line and that is where Wall Street often lives. Put up bad numbers and the stock gets killed.
Which brings us to our corner of the Internet.
Many want Hive to pick up a lot of the displaced traffic. That makes sense since the story is out there. Of course, it is easy to want to just in and scoop them up while being unprepared.
This is where the builders come in. Those communities that were pushing things forward all along, following a plan, are going to be able to grow and expand. They will provide the tools to get people to come here. Many call for marketing but, at the end of the day, it is up to the communities and applications to get the word out there.
It is an area that Hive has fallen short on.
Nevertheless, all is not lost. We are in preparation and this story of banning is not likely to go away anytime soon. The stir that Big Tech caused is only going to grow. People are not going to forget. It struck a chord with some very powerful individuals.
Take Angela Merkel's, who certainly was no Trump fan, response to what took place.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel blasted Twitter’s decision to ban U.S. President Donald Trump.
“The right to freedom of opinion is of fundamental importance,” Steffen Seibert, Merkel’s chief spokesman, told reporters in Berlin on Monday, according to Reuters.
“Given that, the chancellor considers it problematic that the president’s accounts have been permanently suspended.”
We recently saw the introduction of @threespeak's client available for download in its discord group. It is the first step in a multi-phase process that will allow for decentralized storage of videos and pictures.
When this all goes live, it will be a major step forward. It is a move that seeks to remove the single influence of large cloud companies, at least as it pertains to this content.
Microblogging is another area that is tuning up for a big run. Some are already taking steps to make this come to light in a major way. We see there is an already upset target market who is seeking an viable alternative to what they are familiar with.
It is getting to the point where it is becoming obvious how we need to start blending Web 2.0 with Web 3.0. Thinking of simply replacing what is out there with the ability to monetize activities has not worked.
Essentially, we need to provide what they have and then some. Having a better mousetrap is a vital part of the process. That still does not mean victory but it gets one in the game at least.
Few communities took it upon themselves to branch out, based upon the numbers at least. We are missing one of the most powerful aspects to decentralization, the ability to operate in a "Helter-Skelter" way, hitting up many different markets simultaneously.
Of course, this is not what happens. Most spent time in their cocoons on discord, chatting about whatever it is, while not putting stuff on chain. There are tens of thousands of messages of day going through the different groups, most of it chatter that could end up on chain.
Then we get the number reports from the likes of @penguinpablo and we see a total of 15,000 on chain posts.
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This is what people see from the outside world.
People want activity. They want excitement. Certainly, they do not want to come to a "dead" community or website.
Those that end up growing by being active, reaching out, and fostering engagement will end up excelling. That is what building is all about.
Unfortunately, there will be many that sit back and expect others to do it. They will post a video or an article each day and that is it. Many will not even answer the comments in their own posts.
Microblogging is going to change all of that. It will allow for millions of "comments" each day as word starts to spread. People will be engaging a great deal more than they are now. This is something that is truly missing from the Hive ecosystem.
A while back, we put out a challenge, if you will, to post 10 comments a day. There was a fair number who took us up on this but most did not. It is truly sad how people will put more than that on Discord in an hour, yet claim they have no time to engage others online. How is that supporting their communities?
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Why isn't Hive in general growing? Because in many areas, it is without activity. Think about the old forums in the past, maybe a decade or so ago when they were popular. When you arrived at one with just a few posts, what did you do? Most likely the X on the tab was clicked and you were off to somewhere else.
The established social media has the numbers which means they have activity. This is well known. Most communities on Hive do not have the numbers, hence it is up to the ones that are there to provide the activity.
Instead of picking fights on Twitter, start posting in the relevant communities of interest. Leave a dozen or so comments a day; people on here are doing it on Twitter and Discord daily.
Those that take the bull buy the horn and build, whether it is from the development or user side, that will be what is successful. Reaching outside the ecosystem is wonderful but not if people who arrive find a dead place with no activity.
That will just cause them to click the X on the tab and move on.
Why wouldn't they? We all do the same thing when we are in their shoes.
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True, we are wasting a lot of time doing things much less productive than say leave a thoughtful comment on a post you enjoyed or replying to someone.
I think that as a community we need to understand that every post we write, every comment, every interaction represents a tiny tiny building block and that it's up to each and everyone of us to contribute as much as possible to making Hive bigger and better.
The more activity there is on the platfomr, the more attractive it will be for new users to join. And it's up to us to increase that activity.
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This is why I'm not on Discord much at all, I'm doing my engagement on the sites (when I can) but probably miss out on some of the latest as that's where all the "chatter" is.
Just seems funny that a place with a userbase preaching decentralisation uses a centralised service (Discord) to keep the chatter in 😁 it's why I like the way the Leofinance team have done it with an official page with official announcements about developments - how it should be IMO
Like you say, those activity charts would look a lot different if those conversations in Discord servers were on the hive sites. Combining Web3 with web2 is where it's at, too big a jump and it's an alien world and people will look for the x.
Yeah, I don't get it either. When you think about it, unless you're in a workgroup, and you're dealing with immediacies that have zero long term importance and would contribute zilch to a knowledge base, "chatrooms" like Discord are a total waste of time! In my opinion, of course. Look no further than Github to see why I think that, and how it represents the opposite. Why does GitHub exist? To store key information that is valuable and easily accessible. So we have the opposite in Github. Discord is for total crap that has no lasting value (in general), and a place like Github, well, it's a knowledge base, and has immense value, and is certainly worth the time. Why mention those two extremes? Because HIVE is somewhere in between. Imagine the value added in things like HowTo write-ups, and personal profiles for witnesses, and, hey, what about Witness Server setup docs, and things like that? Instead of wasting away the day on Discord? Those are just the most obvious examples, of things that would add lasting value, not just to HIVE, but to everyone's very life! And they just piss their life away instead?
Like I said, I don't get it either.
(Nobody take this personally, please, I've never been on Discord, so I have no idea who you are, and, given such, it would thus be impossible to be directing this at anyone in particular. 😉 )
Honestly, that is probably the most beautifully crafted rant I've ever read haha! But I agree with what you said, pretty much hit every nail on the head there!
With announcements, yes. But, the fun is still happening outside of Hive. The posts on leofinance are not fun (in a true sense :D). They are informative and long reads. The post mortem and promotion of those long posts happen on Discord. People are networking on Discord. Only if we can bring a part of that fund discussion on the platform somehow.
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Well it seems like I miss out on 95% of the fun then haha! If there can be chat functionality similar to what's on Discord integrated to Hive front ends then that would probably be key.
Probably the leomicro will be a big step towards more interaction in the public domain, I don't know. I'm just an end user at the end of the day 😁
Microblogging certainly will change that completely.
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Funny how on Steem and early HIVE everyone was against microblogging.
Just shows you can't stop what people really want.
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Commitment to engaging and commenting on the chain is a must, in-house chat within communities is sorely needed not on Discord.
When you join a social platform you wish to engage openly, sometimes require that DM for private or semi-private messaging structure. Have heard rumbling of this coming to Hive, dearly look forward to it. Stop distracting people having to find information or assistance on other platforms.
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PeakD now has that chat functionality so Discord isn't needed as much anymore (if at all) should someone want to reach out in private
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I think one problem is the search rankings for the HIVE blockchain. When I first started, I found it hard to find information about the blockchain. I started with Splinterlands so peakd was the front-end I started with, but googling peakd wasn't exactly bringing the most relevant results. Also, the number 1 search result on HIVE blockchain is something different entirely. Some users might be turned off given the hard time getting information before deciding to stay or not.
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The internal search engine basically doesn't work, to not simply say that it doesn't work. Practically the only way to find something specific on HIVE is by googling it from Google. But this is being dealt with. It's a high priority issue for the Devs, I believe. Correct me anyone if I'm wrong.
But do you think you could find that info someplace that's easily accessible to begin with? At least some sort of hashtag convention, like, #server-docs, #update-docs #roadmap-docs, you know, what would there be, 25-30 major categories that would only be added to when someone was putting up additional, new knowledge. Not sure though, there's no admin control over something like that. Might be better to think of setting up "communities" like that, where an admin could control the junk, and only keep what's good, and what's up-to-date. Imagine a "knowledge base community" only for #new-users. I imagine that would take a while to get built!
Search with blockchain is difficult in general. Plus you bring up an added issue that none of the front ends really rank high on Google. It is a challenge.
That is why word of mouth and vibrancy is vital. We need to encourage those who do make it here since there are the issues you noted.
Hopefully the new layer on LeoInfra will offer a solution for future search.
From what I understand, it is not easy.
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Yes, I found this post informative.
Thanks @taskmaster4450.
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It's been a while since I inquired about this so I'll ask again. Is there an easy way for a new user to sign up for Hive yet? I know a lot of people that would probably like to join, but the sign up process has (in the past) scared them off.
Yes. Communities and the development/apps should do the talking. Nobody wants to join a dead party. They want to have fun and start a dialogue in this age of vibrant communications. At present, Hive/leofinance is like a place to post an article and most of the fun conversations are happening on Twitter and Discord. I am no one to guide others on what do but the 10% of the engagement we have on Twitter and Discord if happened on Hive, we would be seeing a lot more vibrancy here.
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Don't know, but you've commented six times here already. 🤔
Come on man, don't tell me you're not having fun! 😜
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I am having fun :P I am having a time of my life in the comment section. Thanks.
But, I also need to acknowledge your efficiency and meticulousness in logging the number of comments I posted :D Seems you enjoy this too.
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No doubt about it! 😃
If we get 1% the engagement that Twitter or Discord gets, we will be rocking and rolling.
Just consider how small a number 4,000 comments is a day with an average of 10K accounts daily active. Even if half are bot related, that is still 5K people.
So we average less than 1 comment per person.
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Yeah. Users are publishing posts but not commenting. There are users who only reply to their posts and do not comment on other posts. 5 comments a day on others' posts would bring life to the platform. Hopefully things will change with microblogging.
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ENGAGEtokens.A lot of users don't know HIVE, on the contrary I'm sure they would dive in without thinking twice. You have to make yourself known and then word of mouth will do the rest.
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That’s correct users don’t know hive, I found it myself from a game very recently.
But what taskmaster said is very accurate too. If I had found a “dead” place I would have left as fast as I came.
And honestly if I wasn’t interested by finance...
At the moment I think there is only Leo able to provide enough content that I can’t read everything (and I spend long hours on my computer).
If more tribes start creating as much content then it will be much easier to keep people here.
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Agreed. We need lively tribes that have unique visitors posting and commenting. We still have time but not enough. Apart from a couple of tribes on the chain, all the others are not properly maintained. Look at the sports tribe, the site looks like a page from 2014. And, the situation is same for other pages. I am not blaming but I wish it was trendy and sexy for new users to come, join and post.
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That is a big problem with the Steemit clones. They look bland and like something out of a decade ago.
One of the things I think each tribe needs to do is to create its own front end. Use that for a time but develop another.
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Big time. They should atleast show that the community is active and is being updated. There are many tribes where I posted without any interaction. Finally, I came to Leofinance (before the price hype :D) and stayed for the comments. I remember Khal replied to my very first post. I am not saying Leo is the only way but others should be more creative. Price is primary but that is not the only thing to attract users.
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Or a timeout on communities just like we're going to do with witness votes . . .
Well, I guess part of it comes down to whether someone thinks they have something valuable to share, to post, to comment, in order to become a part and contribute to building something up, whatever that may be (it'll be different for every individual, of course).
If not, then a fly-by, ticker tape, chat environment is perfect!
I guess it comes down to what each of us think about what we have to say.
Mere like a "bravo" comment would do :) Bloggers would like engagement and that brings additional earnings. There are so many sports sub-groups posts that are not being posted on sports tribe.
There are many users posting on general tribes like OCD and Gems when they don't know where to post the less structurally themed article that they have. @ctptalk is gearing up and I hope they find the right audience and the audience find them. But, you are right that it all depends on what users have to say.
Mere like a "bravo" comment would do :) Bloggers would like engagement and that brings additional earnings. There are so many sports sub-groups posts that are not being posted on sports tribe.
There are many users posting on general tribes like OCD and Gems when they don't know where to post the less structurally themed article that they have. @ctptalk is gearing up and I hope they find the right audience and the audience find them. But, you are right that it all depends on what users have to say.
Users do not particularly care about Hive any more than they care about Ethereum.
They care about what is on there and what it can do for them. For example, those who like gaming do not give a crap about a blogging platform. But the games that are available, that is of interest.
That is where the outreach needs to come from. We need more applications do their part to get their type of users.
We have a lot for many different people but it is not a one size fits all.
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I can’t say lightning will totally turn the table but for sure we will see a large increase in comments.
I mean come on, you alone will double it ;)
But be sure I’ll do my part too haha
Let’s make this place a lively one.
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The delay in the site does slow us down, doesn't it? LOL
That is just one step in the process.
There will be more. In the meantime, we add all we can.
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Honestly I feel it but not such an issue when I go from one post to another.
But being part of the quick chats like tonight... now I feel I want more speed haha
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There are ways around it but it is still something that needs to be worked out.
We are at a point where growth is starting to be near and this is not going to be acceptable.
I am glad they had it up yesterday and now the bugs are being worked on offline.
The next test will go much better I am sure.
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I thought it would be live today when I woke up. But not yet :)
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I so much find this post so inspiring and also of great virtue to the whole users on the blockchain.
You don't Plant a seed without watering it and expect it to grow. With each user activity everyday either by posting or Commenting, we are watering the seed(hive) to grow everyday.
I'm not so big on posting but I think it's time things change and get back to the drawing board.
Thanks for getting this message across to everyone.
I'm sure there's room for improvement
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And not everyone can post. That is the reason for the @leomarkettalk chat each day.
Give a people an opportunity to be active without having to post blogs. Just throw up whatever is on one's mind.
Here is todays:
https://leofinance.io/@leomarkettalk/leo-talk-1-15-2021-come-join-our-chat
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I don't understand why Hive can't follow the Leo Finance model, at least in terms of comments. It is obvious that some changes need to be made to boost the interaction. Copying the Leo model seems to me the simplest and fastest action and then, of course, other changes specific to each community can be made.
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Well there is an issue in that they are two separate animals.
Leofinance is very specific to its content focus. Hive, on the other hand, is a large collection of a wide variety of interests. Even among one's follow page, there could be a vast difference in what people write or post about.
But for the tribes, it is key. Most have little to no engagement. The posts do not get a lot of comments and there is no back and forth between the users.
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But let's remember, when there were neither Hive nor communities. As far as I can remember it was an interaction, there were comments.
Now that there are so many communities, most of the Hive members are in them. Does each community have its own degree of interaction, let's talk about comments, are they counted only for the community or for Hive? I wonder if members of a community, for example Leo Finance, are also active in Hive? Do they read and comment in Hive? If not, hasn't Hive lost because these communities have emerged?
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I think you're on to something there! True decentralization leads to "Helter-Skelter" creativity, engagement and success, on all levels.
Now, if we can just show people how much more useful (and efficient) it is to do things on HIVE and not on Discord . . .
If you have an idea, I am sure we are all open to them. LOL
That said, we do have a post going each day on Leofinance that allows for the type of engagement. We will see how it goes.
Stop by if you can.
https://leofinance.io/@leomarkettalk/leo-talk-1-15-2021-come-join-our-chat
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I get a sense that comments are picking up on Hive.blog too. I'm subscribed to LeoFinance, so I see what comes through there (things like this excellent post) as much as all my other communities. Hive.blog works as a pretty good "clearing house"!
Well said as always. Discord has its purpose, but I agree it does take away from Hive conversations.
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Engagement on discord is something ive never found my way around, whereas on here I even juggle engagement with 2 account, this(curation account) and my mistakili account. Perhaps it takes getting used to for those who are reluctantly engaging, anyhow, like you've said, it is the people who build that will have the front
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Still doing the tldr shit posts I see
I'd feel better about it if those two recent downtrends in fb and twtr correlated with a big green candle in HIVE. :)
we need more people to find out about hive and when i say hive i don't mean it as a blogging platform only. About the potentials, the low fees the tribes, the tokens, the games that are based upon it etc etc
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This post made me think that until a few years ago I wasted so much time with useless social media options.
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Well said, engagement on the blockchain is the basis for marketing hive.
Yup. You got it. This is exactly it. Why would anyone stay here if there’s more excitement and activity elsewhere. Promotion is important but we have actually got to be making things happen here on Hive for people to catch the vision and feel welcome. I couldn’t agree more.
Thank you for the rally call @taskmaster4450. I’m going to continue to spend most of my effort using and building on the Hive Blockchain. 🙌
Indeed, the LeoFinance microblogging is going to be a game changer as far as socialmedia usage is concerned. I am seeing a Twitterkiller emerging from the Hive blockchain. I just hope that all themes would be acceptable
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I came to this community in November- I spent alot of time confused by all the apps- how to access it. I eventually realized Peakd.com was the easiest way to interact as a newbie. But I think onboarding was waaay to hard for average users.
Also- you may not want to pick up too many refugees- one problem other platforms have is how politically coded they get. It would be best to avoid that situation and focus on real healthy socialization.
No they did and they really wont.
The social sites you mentioned are most quick hit sites, Hive, for the most part is still a blogging site. How many celebrities do you know that blog? Does Biden? Trump? Lady Gaga? There might be a few who write long form content but the big social media platforms excel at short snippets. Even YouTube, most of the stuff as it relates to celebrities is a quick post of a NBC clip of a political speech or some quick thing they throw up. In fact, I bet most celebrities use Instagram for their video activity because it is short and sweet.
So I dont think in the end, it would be of benefit to get the celebrities you discuss at this point.
I agree about the DAO. Very little spent out of there was for much useful.
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