I agree with elements of reform needed in anti-abuse efforts broadly, with HW being the obvious big fish in the mix.
In this list of various growth initiatives (relevant part: user retention via more structured anti-abuse), I suggest that we need:
Anti-abuse efforts
- [Docs] Definitions of abuse
- [Docs] Processes for reporting abuse
- [Docs] Hive’s philosophy re: censorship resistance
- [Tech] Systems (public or private) for detecting abuse
- [Docs] Processes for appeals
- [Docs] Fairness oversight
- [Docs] How anti-abuse coordinates with onboarding efforts
- [Data] Key performance indicators (measuring anti-abuse effectiveness)
Curious to know your thoughts.
There is very little abuse on Hive and most of what there is I am taking care of. The real abuse is trending and the DHF.
Savage. True
The rules are pretty simple and all that however Hive watchers is only one part of the larger toxic group... The ones that own hive in entirety.
They can bully everyone and everything and suck the rewards from the community without providing ANYTHING but toxic behavior to the block chain.
However now they can do this with impunity.
During the Free speech wars people tried to fight back however that ended up with Kenny's kitchen who was arguably able to do something? He went full stupid. Lol he's self-destructive and left after trying to destroy the entire blockchain.... Which was the only time that since the fork that the entire community banded together and all the whales downvoted him into leaving....
We need to completely different group to do this that's community-based and educates people about the rules and how to follow them with minor punishments instead of full nuclear warfare and blacklists.
Oh there is absolutely no community beginner outreach that teaches people the rules. No community support Network...
Although @freecompliments is trying. But we will see.
Obviously now it's to the point where the entire blockchain is threatened. I'm pulling up what I've got and I'm leaving as well. Well I'm just not going to be super die hard saving and investing here on the blockchain for a future that isn't happening.
I'm not saving and investing in more communities because they keep getting destroyed! Bullied!
Core infrastructure of hive? Bullied and they fold instantly instead of trying to defend their years of hard work.
Oh me? Smashed because of somebody didn't like the words that were coming out of my mouth because they were that true.
The abusers of Hive on the blockchain? Own the blockchain and circle jerk each other and bully everybody else....
Look around. Where's all the community?
Sorry you feel that way! I've been making connections all over the place in Hive, and while there is certainly concentrations of power I've yet to come across anything deeply malicious. Yeah, some snarky and standoffish attitudes for sure... but also a lot of genuine and inspiring work towards helping make Hive a great place.
If you've time to share any links to incidents or issues that'd be swell (always seeking to see more sides of the story). Here, or privately if you wish.
Nothing formal, no, but there are groups in OCD and places like TheTerminal that are helping onboard people in friendly, positive ways.
Very curious about this story—can you share more?
I'm part of a few, like Hive Pizza, Scholar & Scribe, DreemPort. Most of the major games have legit communities (with all their ups and downs). InLeo is a huge frothy community with exciting things going on. Liketu has a bunch of cool communities and support for them. And there are loads of non-English communities that are thriving as far as I can tell.
So I mean, it's here. Most are largely independent, and it'd be great if more could band together for the greater good of Hive—but that takes time, leadership, will, circumstance, incentive... a tough recipe to get right and maintain!
No it's mostly owned by acidyo and ocd. And that's another part of the abuse... Which has recently happened to me.
No group of people on the block chain are successful in standing up to them.
Yeah I'm pulling out and cashing in. It's my right. I'm homeless. Hell out of anyone one i deserve it for helping to build communities and helping others out.
Hive engine and second layer tokens... My idea. Pizza and beer tokens... Me...
Hmmm.
On anti-abuse efforts ... Well, I do not know you, but ... I will stuff my "smart remark" initial thoughts ...
There isn't anything on your list with which I would disagree.
Until the root issues I have attempted to cover in my last post are addressed, I do not think any other details matter. They will be ignored. Or worse (see the hypocrisy brought "out in the light" in the comment just above) ...
There is certainly... governance inefficiency here at Hive. Part of it is the nature of decentralization, of course (leading to diffusion of responsibility). I also suspect many stakeholders just are simply not equipped to deal with matters concerning the success of a big tech platform like Hive. Ideally you'd have perfect market research and seasoned, morally pure executives calling shots—but that's a fantasy even in the centralized world.
Forcing Witnesses and other major stakeholders "into the light" and getting conversation happening often and persistently is a pathway, I believe. So thank you for your efforts in that regard.
If anything remotely close to that is ever reached ... As it is now, a very small number of accounts control much of what you are experiencing.
Including (again see comment above) whether or not this post is even visible to those to whom my appeal in this post was made.
I appreciate the thought! 🫡