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RE: The Ins and Outs of OCD Curation

in OCD3 years ago

(7) No politics, no religious posts, and no crypto-related posts.

I think that people have every right to post those too, and get rewarded for it. There is freedom of speech, no censorship.
These (and any other legal, original) contents should not be excluded from curation in my opinion.

Under rewarded means below $10 as pending payout

Then what does below $1 means? Because no matter what I do, what I post, what I write about, most of my posts usually earn much less than $1. Most of the few exceptions are boosted either by me, or by someone else.

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You have every right to publish anything you want in Hive, just as any curator has every right to set their own curation rules. Invest in Hive, become a curator, and set your own rules. Complete freedom, no censorship. 🙂

The simple answer is just making your own curation group, buy stake and setup the curation criteria just as how you want to run it, thus has been done by other curation groups and ocd isn't the only one you'd try to fish for votes.

The second part sounds like crying for an audience. Earn it and make content that grabs who you're writing for, you know, like a real content creator, or just make a lot of friends to scratch your back and make you feel good about posting.

I do not try "fish for votes", nor "crying for an audience".
I am just stating a fact based on years of personal experience. Look around.
I should have wrote the second part with a general description. Most of the Hive blockchain posts are ignored, not just/only mine. But my posts does not even count. I mostly gave up putting work and effort into my posts, because it is not worth it. People usually ignore it. And sometimes, when I write a short post, they tell me to write long posts, but when I write long posts, they tell me to write short posts, so nothing is good. With a few exceptions.

I do not try "fish for votes", nor "crying for an audience".

You certainly are making new records now.

Most of the Hive blockchain posts are ignored, not just/only mine. But my posts does not even count. I mostly gave up putting work and effort into my posts, because it is not worth it. People usually ignore it. And sometimes, when I write a short post, they tell me to write long posts, but when I write long posts, they tell me to write short posts, so nothing is good. With a few exceptions.

Sounds exactly the kind of thinking what everyone else is doing. You're confusing scribble posting vs content creating. When someone says their content is something they worked hard on, I go look to see and then see stuff evident on why things aren't working out for the account and it's not really content alone that dictates why votes come from.

Even content creation is a targeted conscious effort to be consistent at a focus niche target. When I look at someone posting multiple interests on a single blogging account, I just see scribble posting, bunch ideas tossed here and there that aren't necessarily bad by themselves but it makes a less cohesive blog to look at as a content creator.

The hard truth is that most people aren't wired to think like content creators but rather content consumers. If you care more about the rewards and less of the comments your targeted posts are receiving, reconsider where you're lacking in effort and that's self marketing.

You certainly are making new records now.

Thank you. Spin it. :D

The hard truth is that most people aren't wired to think like content creators but rather content consumers.

Ah, okay. That completely explains the lack of interaction in general on the Hive blockchain, sometimes even on posts with more than 100 upvotes.

Oh wait, it does not.

Dunno, started using the blockchain years back and the first week was enough to tell me it's all bots running the digits. There was a feature to display how many organic views a post gained and it showed how many people are really interested in what others are posting. Take a good guess why that counter was removed.

Point is when you're making a post that isn't niche targeted your chances of getting some traction is less compared to some general feel good life is great post people still attempt once in a while.

Going to ask you a serious question, do you think of yourself as a content creator? and if so, what kind?

There was a feature to display how many organic views a post gained and it showed how many people are really interested in what others are posting. Take a good guess why that counter was removed.

Probably that feature lasted less than a year. I registered on the Steem blockchain on 2017.05.17, but I have not even heard about that feature.

My "good guess" would be "to make this thing business based".

Going to ask you a serious question, do you think of yourself as a content creator? and if so, what kind?

Yes. The kind, who nowadays post random content. What I like (or what comes in my mind) at the moment. I have tried to post specific content in the past, but that did not went well. Nowadays not much people are interested in amateur radio. That is one of my hobbies.

Probably that feature lasted less than a years ago. I registered on the Steem blockchain on 2017.05.17, but I have not even heard about that feature.

My "good guess" would be "to make this thing business based".

Maybe, or it was just pathetic to see a trending post with less than 10 views because some few accounts with stake get to decide which posts to take to trending sort of thing. It's a shame to see a post trending with only few views and lack of commenting but that's what the norm was and still a persisting norm today.

Yes. The kind, who nowadays post random content. What I like (or what comes in my mind) at the moment. I have tried to post specific content in the past, but that did not went well. Nowadays not much people are interested in amateur radio. That is one of my hobbies.

Don't misunderstand me if I sound indifferent but I get where you're coming from. I had that same mindset on pursing a type of content and it wasn't paying off, then I just said fuck it I'll go with posting the hell I want which happens to be the same line of content I got and with some effort to consume other people's content and get involved with what goes on the blockchain, I gained some following and friends.

I don't think my content is all that. I just happen to be lucky in building relationships and etc. Just made me realize that content isn't the only driver for votes and it's mostly just getting interested on what's out there. Now I just spend less time creating and more time interacting. Get interested in people and they may get interested in you too. That's the basic currency of this platform, attention and content becomes secondary. To me it works that way.

 3 years ago  

Why are you equating censorship with exclusion from curation? Those are two different things.

Then what does below $1 means? Because no matter what I do, what I post, what I write about, most of my posts usually earn much less than $1. Most of the few exceptions are boosted either by me, or by someone else.

I don't understand what's the point of bringing this up. What are you trying to get across?

Why are you equating censorship with exclusion from curation? Those are two different things.

I would call that curation censorship. At least heavily discouraging certain types of content. We know that the upvotes are affecting the visibility of the posts on this platform. Less upvotes means less visibility. And besides less mood to post those kinds of content.

I don't understand what's the point of bringing this up. What are you trying to get across?

The fact that most people (including me) earning cents with their posts.
Many people would be happy for a $1 payout on their posts, let alone $10.
A pending payout on a post close to $10 is actually very good. Many people do not earn that much in a week.

 3 years ago (edited) 

It's not curation censorship it's the curator's discretion. Those aforementioned topics can be divisive and contentious. Rewarding one view on any of those topics could be seen as supporting from bias. To avoid any conflicts of interest it makes sense to support and foster the niche communities and topics that are being supported.

Curation is a choice just like posting is a choice. I was in the position you mentioned making cents per post. I started back in 2017 and i never complained about not getting exposure or traction... i just kept plugging away with a focus on the topics that interested me. I definitely never told others how to curate and what would be appropriate for them to do with their own stake in the blockchain.

If it's not worth the time or effort to put forth in your own posting then why is it important to criticize one of the biggest initiatives on the platform that rewards smaller accounts for their time and effort? There is literally a whole team of curators that scavenge this blockchain for undervalued and quality posts.

OCD has been one of the biggest supporters of fledgling communities and accounts. I curate more than two different incubation communities and countless accounts have been rewarded and growth has been fostered within those communities adding value to the whole platform. My own posting has suffered because of the time i spend to help find and encourage newer users. I believe the time and effort is worth it even at my own expense!

I guess we can all be entitled to our own opinions based on our own personal experiences. I wish you all the best, rather it's here or somewhere else.

I started back in 2017

This is mutual. I registered on the Steem blockchain on 2017.05.17.

If it's not worth the time or effort to put forth in your own posting then why is it important to criticize one of the biggest initiatives on the platform that rewards smaller accounts for their time and effort?

I said it is not worth it, because people usually ignore them.
Putting hours or work into a post just/only to earn a few cents and no (or only a few) comments is not worth it.

And since English is not my native language, what more, it is far from it (my native language is Hungarian, which is not even Indo-European, like English), I put double work and effort almost into anything on this platform. Just try to understand and write a Hungarian sentence. And if you feel that the challenge is easy for some reason, then try it with the Old Hungarian alphabet (traditionally written from right to left), not with the latin alphabet.

Putting hours or work into a post just/only to earn a few cents and no (or only a few) comments is not worth it.

Isn't that part of content creation? not being guaranteed that you'd get positive, negative or no reception? Seems like you're not really using that time and effort effectively if that's the results you're yielding. And what's with the language challenge? I'm sure your native language has it's own set of rules for communication but isn't that argument a little bit off the mark when some people that thrive on the platform aren't even native English speakers?

Isn't that part of content creation? not being guaranteed that you'd get positive, negative or no reception?

Positive reception: Fine.
Negative reception: Also fine.
Even neutral reception is fine.
No reception: Not fine.

Content creation on a social network is supposed to get some kind of reaction. That is why social.

If I want to write for myself, I open up some kind of text editor program. Or simply get a pencil and paper.

when some people that thrive

They have a lot of money. I do not.
I have multiple disabilities, and a low (approximately $250 USD per month), pension like income, which is less even that the minimum wage (approximately $550 USD per month).

Content creation on a social network is supposed to get some kind of reaction. That is why social.

Then are you consuming content of other people that create content here? how often do you check and engage with other members of the community? I think you have to earn your audience first before you start complaining why no one notices.

And also factor in the type of content you public. Would you read someone's thesis explaining complex algorithms without any practical use down to the finest technical details an expert could best explain with their respective field? I won't. It's not the type of content I would bother.

Is your content a popular topic relative to the type of ecosystem we have here on Hive?
If you're still having trouble answering that, then part of the problem is not getting that part.

They have a lot of money. I do not.

You'd be surprised if you bothered to check that some of the leading earners aren't that loaded and just struggling as much as you do.

 3 years ago  

I commend you for having such a command of English being a second or more language for you. Hungarian is extremely difficult. I think you do quite well in expressing yourself in English.

My encouragement to you would be to take time to put as much effort into your posts as you do your comments. Share photos that are in focus and maybe post less but with more effort and quality. In many cases, less is more.

Topically, not everyone will be interested in the same things as you are. But if you find a community that is and your content is relative you will probably find more success with that approach.

As you know, the text editor is much better now that we don't have to code our posts. In my opinion, something is better than nothing. To get something for Any effort is a much better prospect than doing it somewhere else for free.

My advice to you, not that you asked for it, would be to take some time to reaccess your approach and modify your posts accordingly moving forward. You have a decent following and i do know that if you powered up your rewards more often your vote would be worth much more.

I am sure that you have been around long enough to know what works for others. Success is something that can be adopted into your own strategies. I do wish you all the best!

Thank you for your encouragement and for the suggestions, but I must mention the fact that most of my followers are inactive nowadays. They left the platform long months/years ago. And gaining new followers feels like close to impossible, despite constantly/regularly interacting with others. Probably I am not wrong, if I say that being on the 16th position in the engagement league is not that bad.

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 3 years ago  

When did you say it's not worth it? I got curious and checked your posts. I'm just wondering, if you're a curator, would you upvote your posts over others'? What makes your post special that people should care?

I'm not belittling your posts. I hope that should be clear. I mean that as a content creator, if you consider yourself to be one, you should think about your intended audience. Else, if you just want to share your mundane day-to-day life, don't expect people to care because their lives are already mundane as they are.

The reward pool and people's voting power are limited resources. You can't expect people to vote anyone and everyone's posts. So it will always be a competition. That's how a meritocratic system works. You are not censored or barred to post anything that you want to share. Just don't expect people to care about you or your posts. Don't mix things up.

Every upvote, tip, or comment is freely given. And you should be grateful if you receive them. Just don't be entitled and expect them. It's always a curator's discretion to recommend posts for an upvote. That's why you need to definitely determine if your post is worthy of an upvote or not.

I'm just wondering, if you're a curator, would you upvote your posts over others'?

I stopped self-upvoting long time ago, so no, I would not upvote my posts. I support others.

What makes your post special that people should care?

What makes other people's posts special? A joke, a good (or even a bad) photo, an interesting story or fact, a discussion, or even a viewpoint, an opinion. It could be literally anything. It is totally random.

Every upvote, tip, or comment is freely given. And you should be grateful if you receive them.

When I get them, I am happy and grateful. But the comments are so rare (not just/only on my posts, but in general) that it is discouraging and disappointing.

There are plenty of other curation projects out there that will support the content that OCD chooses not too.

If you want to earn you need to find an audience. That can be in a community or you go out looking for them. There must be people who share your interests. Search and tags may be ways to find them. I would not try to rely on a curation project finding your posts. Getting more followers and responses to your posts can be the start of something. Try to make it fun if you can.

There's plenty of stakeholders or other curators that may look for such genre, we don't. How is that something to become argumentative about?