It would be a miracle if the proposal passes.
Downvotes are equally as important as upvotes and are far more important in practice to be used because currently, they are drastically UNDERUSED. We need to normalize downvoting, as we would give a "thumbs down" on any content on web 2.
https://peakd.com/pob/@theycallmedan/proof-of-brain-theory-and-further-optimization
Read some solutions of dan and smooth with counter talks. It will really help you understand a new side of picture.
If you wanna dive more, learn about L2 burn to get L1 votes. I am not even talking about club100, hawk, beetoons,or tdtv.......
(Will this provides insurance if all the votes they got were inorganic cause of delegate, hold and burn methods? It can reach upto shocking number of 30$+
Also, some were allowed with 1 ratio 1 (which I was also against) but they implemented cheap tricks to take L2 burns to get L1 votes to 1 ratio 3 by adding tribe votes like #tribes bee token votes. Now these offers are highly exploitable with bot farms. Even a 0.001 hive difference of profit can trigger it and we are talking about 1 ratio 3.)
Also, there was a known project freezepeach recently got closed. I liked their approach and aims although not many delegated to them.
In short, there are many sides of stories. One's wrong can be right for someone. While I respect your thoughts, I want to add what you saw or observed is just a tip of the iceberg.
Starting any conversation with a negative comment is rude.
This post is about helping tiny minnows when they get a 2.57-cent downvote. And because of that downvote on a wonderfully written post, the lady that wrote the post will now be getting 1.57 cents per the posts payout in 7 days -the curation rewards.
And when she misses that 1.00 USD, she will not be able to eat FOOD or pay RENT and might end up homeless.
You can take all your numbers and facts and figures and shuffle them around and write your heart out about how downvotes are needed on the blockchain. To which I agree, by the way, and have been hit by HUGE downvotes and small ones, but this post is about the LITTLE GUY.
The ones that come and become great writers. The ones that bring others that become great writers. The ones that, occasionally, need a little kindness and understanding from fellow humans and not numbers thrown in their faces. Because you know what? No one can eat numbers. Numbers written in a comment do not feed or pay go to college. With the money they earn on Hive they take that 2.00 USD a post and make a better life for themselves.
I do not think that is asking too much.
Crowdfundedwhale or cfw was a project a bit similar to this but had different aims. It didn't got passed which makes me believe this one will not too. While I also gave an alternative solution:
I have no problem with downvotes that are used with consideration and I think many people are fine with them. I think the problem that we are talking about is downvotes that are simply used to counter upvotes without manually overseeing if the posts actually deserve it.
I think people are losing sight of the actual problem.
This has nothing to do with normalizing downvotes. This has to do with the collateral damage caused by whale wars that do not involve anyone but the two whales.
That is what this proposal is seeking to do. Assist people who have been adversely affected by a whale war, that has absolutely nothing to do with the quality or content of their post.
I hope that makes it more clear 😊
(and if this proposal doesn't pass, that's perfectly fine as I stated in the post. My hope is that it pulls people out of the talking mode...and into the problem solving mode. then maybe we all win! )
Who makes the call? The people who gets pressure cause they will loose their funding if they don't listen to lords aka admins. Xeldal and marky both r right in their own CONSIDERATION.
If both parties claim they manually view it (there is no current way to find out nor asking for this information makes sense). Even in this case of xeldal and marky it's too hard to draw a line, atleast for me based on my knowledge gathered from dark habit holes. The people who will be incharge will end up not doing favours but politically pressured cause of capitalist POV, resulting in favours by any means possible.
Unless it's a more decentralized and solid concept, that's a no from my side.
We r talking about decentralization here but always end up with centralized ideas like HW while mostly don't even know about hivedownvoterewards, curangel, freezepeach, watchingthewatchers, hiveminds.
Your thoughts are beautiful but......
I guess I could ask you who makes the call now?
who made the call to downvote all those posts that were decent posts, right?
I didn't say they were wrong....i asked Marky if he has actually read Deraaa's post to see if it was worthy of xeldal's upvote.
He said "I was merely countering his upvote"
Does that seem like consideration went into evaluating the post? or just an automatic counter?
I'm not sure how to keep the focus on the fact that this was a whale war, and the downvote has nothing to do with the quality of her post.
it was a counter to an upvote... regardless of the quality of the post.
That is the collateral damage that is happening to many people because two whales are arguing.
This is not an issue of someone using a downvote. It's a matter of two people warring and damaging other accounts that are uninvolved.
Good luck 🤞
I have peace about whatever is decided, hehehe so no luck is needed for me.
I am actually hopeful that whales see the bigger solution is actually much easier than this whole approach.
STOP COLLATERAL DAMAGE FROM WHALE WARS
The only people that can truly and EASILY end that are the whales themselves.
So we await that....I think THAT is where "luck" is needed 😉
A whale like marky was also a victim for last one year. Not many were interested cause it wasn't ALOT of peoples rewards. His fault was loving hive and protecting the reward pool.
I really wish you all the best but a centralize solution is not what Hive needs and especially with beneficiary and delegations plus funding involved in my pov. I wish all hivers will think together but not starting from xeldal counter votes but from beetoons days slowly coming towards tdtv and then currently going hawk.
Everyone has been a victim of bad behavior.
It never excuses us to react poorly ourselves.
I wish that people would realize that we are all accountable for our actions and saying that we have been abused is never a good reason to abuse others.
I appreciate your opinion, and I also appreciate that you would prefer to pass on this. I'm perfectly fine with that 😊
I do hope that others will not make excuses for poor behavior but offer better solutions that appeal to the community so that we stop having collateral damage from wars that have nothing to do with our content.