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RE: Mysterious viruses and how to find them? An exclusive with Veeru - the Virus facing existential crisis.

in StemSocial2 years ago (edited)

I very much appreciate this substantive and very informative post (as well as being quite far from dry and unreadable!) from someone with the specific skillset and professional experience requisite to virology. It has been sorely needed in the maelstrom of disinformation, misinformation, and propaganda swirling around the all too scanty real and factual information available during the last couple years of political trauma.

Given your expertise, I wonder if you would be kind enough to address some questions that I have, or have been asked of me my personal education has not enabled me to answer with certainty. If you can, I would be grateful.

Kary Mullis directly stated the PCR technique was absolutely not usable as a diagnostic test. He explained that simply by cranking up the cycles, PCR could be used to provide positive results for virtually anything tested for. I have read several sources that say 20-24 cycles is the upwards limit for reliable detection of sequences being replicated. Would you address the suitability of PCR as a testing mechanism for these parameters?

I have also read that PCR tests are cranked up to as many as 40-45 cycles, which Kary Mullis compared to the Buddhist philosophy that you can find all things in all things, he often cracking wise while he was with us. Because of this, and the CDC allowing tests contaminated with genetic material known to them to be certain to produce positive results, as many as 97% of the PCR positive test results are claimed to be false. These issues are perhaps best addressed in addition to the potential of PCR to be suitable at all for diagnostic testing.

There has been much claimed about Koch's Postulate and how it has not been met for SARS2, which you briefly address, rather indirectly. I have not yet read the link provided to the paper you mention that is claimed to show SARS2 viruses taken directly from a patient, but will read that, and if I have any questions as to whether it resolves the issue of proof that SARS2 is the pathogen causing Covid, I will ask them at that time.

I hope you can find the time and are willing to address my questions.

Thanks!

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I have not yet read the link provided to the paper you mention that is claimed to show SARS2 viruses taken directly from a patient.

No answer received. As so often, critical questions remain ignored.

I did read the piece you link below, and I was struck by, and strongly agree with, the sentiment you express there.

"Why all of a sudden all billion people are supposed to think equally for all billion people is something that no one can explain with reason."

I suspect you have heard of Matthias Desmet, and his explanation of why people do this, as a mass formation. Several conditions prime people for this way of relating to each other, perhaps the most salient is an inchoate anxiety, and second to that feeling disconnected and unfulfilled. As much as 30% of the population prior to the corona panic were so disconnected they reported not having one significant social contact, and most of us are driven to such inchoate sense of anxiety by the endless beating of the drums by enemedia of bad news.

When that enemedia rang the alarms and called everyone to action against covid, a great many people found fulfillment in pointing to covid as the source of their fears and anxiety, and an almost religious duty to do as told to counter it. They felt this fulfillment even if the religious observations were ridiculous, such as cloth masks to prevent viral transmission, comparable to highway tunnels stopping motorcycle traffic.

These people feel strongly connected to society, rather than to one another, yet that solidarity with society gives them a feeling of oneness with each other when they see others performing the same religious ablutions, lining up for the prescribed jabs, regardless of any harm such holy flagellation could do them or their children.

Some have characterized this formation as a psychosis, and it can certainly produce seemingly psychotic acts of cruelty and barbarism, as I have observed previously, after 9/11, when ordinary people advocated torturing people suspected of terrorism, even torture and rape of the children of suspects, because the government ordered it to keep them safe from terrorism - that the government itself committed.

Let us hope we do not see such deranged and savage barbarity against dissidents in the holy war against covid. There has already been far too brutal dismissal of our bodily autonomy, and even approval of the concentration camps that have been deployed in Oz, for example.

Thanks!

No, I don't know Matthias Desmet, but I would agree that people look for and need a task that marks them as "good" because they care immensely what others think of them.
Where it is easy to make a good name for oneself because it is accepted by the majority that "there is good to be done there", people jump up, I think that is obvious.

My thought behind this is what a person "in reality thinks of themselves", what image they have of themselves. Starting from an inferior self-worth, I would think, it rises proportionally in that person what others think and talk about oneself. The less a person sees him/herself as valuable, the more important the external image becomes.

The fact that such became a mass phenomenon in such a short time was a cause of concern for me personally, while for those who joined the "save the people" mission it had been more of a confirmation that there was now something "really significant to do". I was suspicious of this actionism, it made me sceptical, while others saw the exact opposite.

Once I asked a friend who joined the phenomenon if she thought it was realistic that all people without exception would join the measures without any further argumentation? She said, "Hm. No, that's actually not realistic."

I basically made this the core of my conversations. It's not only unrealistic, it's downright utopian to think, or even to want to have "all people on earth united" (share the same notion). It's for me not salvation, it's horror.

Yes, let's hope, the opposing camps find each other in better conversations and live and let live circumstances.

From a scientific paper of Max-Planck-Institute quoted:

The history of virus research in the 20th century is usually portrayed as a continuous process, as a history of progressive revelation of virus nature (see Waterson 1978: xii; Hughes 1977: 75 ff.; for a critique of this concept see van Helvoort 1994a:187).

However, our analysis of the case study material has revealed some things that lead away from such a view of history. In particular, it was shown that the refinement and expansion of experimental means and procedures, which is generally seen as a guarantee for uninterrupted progress in the knowledge of nature, had rather led to setbacks in the period under consideration (for example, in the development of virus classification) and had deepened the gap between the contending parties in virus research.

With the "filterable" virus, something had been discovered of which, according to the concepts handed down, which had after all mostly proven themselves in the research of infectious diseases, no picture could be formed which all researchers could have shared.

Very different interpretations of the nature of this phenomenon emerged and were put forward against each other. No experimental proof for this or that concept, which all researchers would have had to recognise, could be presented by either side.

This means that the decision as to whether this or that explanation most accurately expresses the "true" nature of the virus could not be "objectified" empirically.

Page 57 ff recommended reading (language: German). Source: https://www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/Preprints/P125.PDF

Also: read my post where I extracted it from: https://hive.blog/imformationwar/@erh.germany/what-fills-the-gap-if-you-don-t-believe-in-the-contagion-theory

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