Discussion: Why are new users not sticking around?

in #hive4 years ago (edited)

Exhibit A

Hive has a constant influx of new users (even if not large), including new active users.

Exhibit B

Active user numbers have been flat for several weeks. Authors and curators in particular.

A + B =>

New users are not sticking around. There are as many active users leaving for the last few weeks as are joining.

Why?

The trending page is not so bad now. So why are users leaving?
The rewards are decent and fairly widely distributed. Farming is relatively under control, so why are users leaving?
We have lots of apps and there's no Steemit ninja mined stake any more. So why are users leaving?

Median post payout has been hovering from $0.60 to $0.80. That's surely pretty good. The vast majority of Medium posts and Youtube videos make literally nothing.

Engagement is also pretty good at 2-3 comments per post.

Please discuss in the comments. The rewards on this post will be 90% burned and 10% gifted to @peakd. Graphs by @arcange and @penguinpablo

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I was just saying this to my friends. I have been on boarding new users on the hive blockchain and atleast i have brought in 12 users in the last two weeks. Out of the twelve, only five of them are active. As a matter of fact , i jad to meet one of the discouraged one's and i asked him why he stopped. He said his post were not getting attention and he was discouraged. I asked another person and she said the site is quite hard to navigate.So i started following the new ones up and i had to even chat up one of the moderators to help see the problem and why a quality post is not getting curated.
Finally, i think on boarding people is not the problem, following them up so they can finally addicted to hive is the goal. As a matter of fact i started giving some of my newbies task such as commenting.

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This is what i do everyday to keep them woeking. I had to go to this guy to get him back on board because he is a good content writer. Luckily for me the post had an up vote from curie.

I also help them format their post , that's what is on the whatsapp picture.

Mentoring is needed on this platform and there should be a nice way if welcoming newbies. If a person is going to get comfortable with athe place, he needs to know he is welcomed.

I want to specially thank you for upvoting most of the people i have brought on this platform in the past one week. You have been a motivation. I would keep on bringing people and trying to follow them up hoping they receive a nice welcome.

Don't expect any rewards until you have 200+ followers. You get them from commenting on other people's posts. Insightful, interesting, or funny.
Add value, and you'll train people to smile and click, when they see your name.

True words....i am already seeing the positive effects. I think that's why it's called a community. Everyone has to participate and communicate. I am a testimony

I comment a lot ... And that is what i tell the people i bring to hive . I participate in the engagement league and i have been in the rop 20 for two weeks in a row. I know the power of commenting . Thank you for your feedback .i will definitely relay this to the new ones coming in .

Mentor hope i am learning well☺

This is an interesting question which I don't have an answer about. In my opinion, it is like living a sudden disbelief on the whole crypto that is affecting also Hive.

I think new users might be leaving simply because their expectations of the money they think they'll make isn't what they have gotten. Hive is a whole new adventure and people especially new users needs patience, time, making attempt to know how the system works. That's why I don't sell hive using the promise of rewards alone to people. It's of course better now. Distribution of reward isn't as bad as it use to be on steem but then people needs more effort and patience.

Thanks for this second thought question. I will of all answer this question in two ways.

  • So many newbies are attracted by the reward feedback and at some point they fell cheated upon even when they try their best to create Original content and their expectations were not met at some certain peak level. So they had to quit and leave for other Crypto alternatives.

  • Many newbies see their growth and future on hive shaking because they have little or low tutorial on how to get started, how to increase their communication skills and even gather more audience through commenting and joining more questions and answers forum. Also engaging in competitions, yet they create good content but no reward to show for few days and after that, they will post maybe once in three days , from there it turns to once in seven days till they feel like they are wasting their time. These was part of what we discussed few days ago by our hive members when we had a group meeting here in Ilorin Kwara State Nigeria. #happyHivers.

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  • sources of images are from my mobile phone infinix Note5. Location: Ilorin Kwara State Nigeria.

Good question. I was wondering the same thing: so many new accounts but no uptick in users. That's why I even questioned if these accounts are real.
I can come up with 2 reasons on the spot:

  • Hive is a little confusing, even with peakd, and newbies don't find their way to the proper Discord to ask for help.

  • Not being able to properly interact because of a lack of rc makes the first impression frustrating.

Feels like we need integrated chat and help. Like, if you're on peakd.com and you haven't worked out how to proceed, it should strongly direct you to somewhere you can ask existing Hivers for help. Without needing to log in.

Also, more delegated Hive Power for new accounts.

If anything, peakd is more intuitive than hive.blog. Peakd is the worst name ever though, seriously!

I remember how bad the experience was when I joined and had less than 50 HP to work with.

Lack of RC should not have to be an issue. There are plenty of people who will delegate to new accounts. Only needs a few HP. People can apply to @giftgiver.

But nobody being new will know about that, no? Or how to go about it?

How about a bot that comments on posts or does a transfer message to new users with no HP? There are other bots that welcome them.

That's an idea to be had. Another thing to add to the to do list.

I would hope someone could help to set it up. We cannot afford to lose users just because they cannot get a delegation.

Lack of RC is certainly true! I need to look into the Hive referral program more as there is potential there!

So far I have delegated 25 HP to new users when I found them in a Discord complaining. That is a high hurdle for a new user.
I remember that the experience was terrible when I joined and had less than 50 HP.

I think user-friendliness and easy of use is a big thing. I don´t find it so easy to use, nor do I find to so userfriendly. I joined recently and that is the main issue I am having. How do I find the content that I like? What are key words I need to use etc? Interface wise I think there is still a lot improvements to be made. Twitter and FaceBook are rapidly becoming censored social platforms, but to be able to attract users from these platforms to hives I think it is all about ease of use. All the other mainstream platforms work, the main problem is censorship. So for Hive to be successful it needs to close the gap in these areas to attract more users. Hive really solves a problem: social media censorship. It needs to be ready to take on new users from the main platforms. I hear a lot of people are moving to Parler, which is also a company so it is likely to be prone to censorship in the future. Just my two cents. :)

As a newbie on hive the problem i am facing is no proper guidance and as a result it takes alot of time to navigate your way around. But i still want to thank @bhoa and @nathanmars for the help they have been rendering and lastly i also think not everyone wants to welcome you into their community

Personally, i think many new users come in with the wrong ideas. They get signed up not for the right reasons; mostly for the financial rewards. Introductory posts are usually well supported and these users get financial rewards but after, most users earning go down and get them discouraged.

I believe new users should be introduced to hive with concepts like engagement and zero-censorship in mind. Also, the blockchain should be more fun. Most posts are either about the blockchain (which is understandable), crypto, various communities. If there are more fun-centred posts created around topics like comedy and humour, music, movies, games (there's quite a handful of this) and others, the new users will stick around.

Also a good point. The concept of "free money" warps the mind and raises wrong expectations

Very true

On the start (Steem) in 2017 I had no clue how system works. But I liked to see different kind of articles, more open to new ideas and blogs about their own thinking of the world around them. I also did not get a cent when I wrote my first small blog. And I also did not understand why that happened.

Because we are used to see the others around us and we expect same results and bonuses without showing a respect to others. And I thought that writing blogs would not be a time consuming thing. I usually spend hours to write it. But on the start I took like 45 min, without any expertise and expected same result. Well, that's not how it goes.

It's a good question and one really need to address. I think we lost a fair few users due to the Steem/Hive split as some were not happy about that. I have been keeping an eye on the user stats and we have lots lots of minnows and dolphins. Bigger accounts have obviously powered down.

A falling Hive price will not help matters. What we do have is a more attractive platform that Steem which has turned to shit lately.

I am supporting a load of new/small accounts to try and keep them going, but I cannot be engaging with them all the time. We could build support groups around communities. If they can at least get comments it may encourage them to stick with it.. Rewards will be a bonus to start with.

People talk about it not meeting their expectation of rewards, but making anything is better than nothing. Even if you just do Actifit posts you can make a few cents. There are plenty of challenges and competitions to inspire posts.

I am disappointed with the lack of growth over the 4 years. You have to wonder what you need on top of 'free money' (well not quite) to attract the masses.

I think its a similar problem as there was with Steem in the fall, when you are here it take a lot to find a community. Sure the trending page isn't full of garbage, but it is hard to curate a page, from scratch, that will have interesting stuff from people you like when you log in.

Search is shit on all front ends.

Most front ends don't have features like lists, etc. But lists are only good AFTER you find people.

If there was a way to search AND filter such that you can find recent content on the subject you're interested in, consistently OR find like minded people that are active, then I think we would have a better time onboarding.

I know for me, the topics that I enjoy to interact with are NOT active here. The communities I belong to are mostly dead, or they are too popular.

My suggestion? Put more focus on communities and think of them like sub-reddits. Become the blockchain version of Reddit. And focus on community discovery and possibly tweak the rewards in a future HF to encourage community engagement.

I had great hopes for communities that they have yet to fulfil. They ought to be something like reddit so people can find content they like. The Hive userbase is still pretty small and so many interests will not be well represented yet. There is the opportunity to build communities by bringing people in if you can find sponsors who have enough HP to make them work to start with. I know @slobberchops is trying to do this with urbex (urban exploring).

It is up to all of us to find ways to bring people to Hive if we want it to prosper. If it can take off in niche areas it may have a chance.

but making anything is better than nothing

We have to be prepared to acknowledge the possibility that setting up the expectation of making money and failing to meet the expectation may have more negative value than the positive value of earning small amounts.

We need to set the right expectations. I would never tell anyone they can get rich from Hive.

Network effect is just not here. You can't get real attention base here. Only reason to stay is to make money... but it's not much even if it's more than YouTube.

Also UI (all of them) sucks. Password management is pain. Usability is a big problem overall.

Mentorship, having fun things to get involved with and relaying information about the right communities with specific interests for newcomers to start with will make it feel like they are part of something.

I've managed to help a couple of people who posted for the first time and read their intro post to see what their interests are and point them in the right direction in terms of communities but obviously the comments required are customised depending on what that person is interested in.

I found that made a big difference and being around to comment on their posts for the first couple of weeks as they "bed in", leaving some information in the comments was a good approach.

Probably knowing where to look and ask for help is the biggest thing, especially when you stumble in to this place for the first time, otherwise, it's off putting and a negative first impression sticks...

It could just be because people compare it to other social media platforms - this place isn't 'busy enough' or 'convenient enough' - on mainstream social media, there is A LOT more content, and it's really easy to find links to interesting apps and threads that just work.

I don't think we have any of that on Hive - if this is the case it's a catch 22.

Personally I think Discord is our biggest asset - take the eXode game - there's a lot of chat in Discord, which encourages people to post, I think we can say the same about a lot of communities.

Just a theory - it's not a 'live' platform is it - also on Twitter and Facebook, I can easily find people I know. Be they friends, colleagues, celebrities - there's none of that here.

I think we need to consider what is a new user?

Is a new user simply a new account?

Surely someone who is hitting the reset button because they got busted cheating is not a new user.

Some people are just creating alt. accounts hoping to use it later.
Others create them for their ideas that never take off.

Still, some just sign up with little to no intention to ever use Hive. I don't know how many websites I've subscribed to.

Finally, we have the biggest portion of new users, the quick buck crowd.

How many people from countries where they have large disposable incomes (ie. subscriptions to stuff they don't need to survive like Netflix, Spotify, paying to buy in-app items for mobile games, etc.), invest in crypto (not just airdrops) actually sign up? I'm talking about the people who can bring money in...not just take money out.

I generally consume content produced by already rich, very unique, highly-skilled, talented people for the most part. This doesn't describe the average Hive content creator who is for the most part just producing average social media content. I'm not saying I don't enjoy it...but am I, are hive people not super niche?

Hive will also never do well as long as it basically a ticket for poor people to make some money...or for niche people to produce and consume content. 5~10 bucks per day (not so hard if you post decent stuff once or twice a day) is less than an hour of the minimum wage for those of us in rich countries (ie. the lowest level/skilled quality of labour legally permissible), but an entire day's labour for others in poor countries (8-10 hours).

So that said, you have people from rich places saying meh...why would I put 3 hours in to write a decent post to maybe get 5-10 dollars when I can stay an hour extra at work for 60 dollars? And then you have people thinking I can spend 8 hours a day here, produce 8 okay posts on 6 different accounts and earn a decent living.

Well. I'm a newbie on hive and seeing this post makes me actually ask myself why I'm not active.
Truth is...
It takes time to understand the ropes here. You see yourself just surfing through hive and not really doing anything on your page. Just trying to understand. Next, newbies like me, need that guidance on the communities to join and who to tag in order to popularize whatever you are into.
Without knowing, days have past without doing anything.

Thanks for sharing this.

It is difficult, even after three years almost on Steem/Hive it still takes time to understand parts of Hive. If you have questions I will try to help and you can always tag me when you get stuck on something. You can comment on any of my post on any subject matter, some people do not like off topic comments on their post, me I do not care on my post, all comments on any topic welcome on my post. I do try to respond to all comments.

That 'off topic' issue can be a problem at times.

I've asked this question of several of my friends who have accounts on Hive, but who don't actively use them, although they are quite active on other social channels. There are two basic categories of answers:

  1. "My friends aren't here";
  2. "It's hard to imagine an 8-year-old using it."

"My friends aren't here";

I wonder do we need success in just a single geographic region first rather than trying to be global from the start. Facebook started in Harvard alone, then other colleges etc. It was very much geographically concentrated, as real world friends usually are.

"It's hard to imagine an 8-year-old using it."

That's true but hardly our demographic. The financial aspect of Hive will skew things older by default, even without the crypto element. Other social networks have done ok targeting limited demographics (and not teens) at first. Pinterest, Reddit for example.

Many social networks first became popular in particular geographical areas, not only FB, but also Telegram, WeChat and others.

Here at Waivio, we're launching rewards for Vancouver restaurants:
https://www.waivio.com/rewards/all and a number of guides learn how to use Hive and create new listings on the chain.

Waivio also offers guest access (Google or Facebook), so users can learn the details of Hive at their own pace.

We are currently working on an instant rewards withdrawal system, so users can be assured that rewards are real and can be used in everyday life, including payments in all other major cryptocurrencies (BTC, LTC, ETH) and even cashing out rewards via any Bitcoin ATM.

I can't entice anyone on even with the promise of support. For us this is second nature, for the Facebook crowd, I get the feeling that they can't be bothered as the audience is not large enough and they will know nobody.

Every now and again (like yesterday) I give it another go, hoping just one will bite. On this occasion, the promise of something other than ZERO has not worked. HIVE needs some kind of advertisement, outside of itself. It's a self-contained bubble here.

I can't entice anyone on even with the promise of support.

Me neither. I just don't get people.

For us this is second nature, for the Facebook crowd, I get the feeling that they can't be bothered as the audience is not large enough and they will know nobody.

That's why it would be best to focus on the early adopter set.

Every now and again (like yesterday) I give it another go, hoping just one will bite. On this occasion, the promise of something other than ZERO has not worked. HIVE needs some kind of advertisement, outside of itself. It's a self-contained bubble here.

Censorship resistance is key. Bring in a few people with large followings who got censored on mainstream platforms and nurture them here. Their followers will follow them.

New users or new accounts?

Well if we suppose it's just new accounts, that implies there are not so many new users joining at all, and perhaps we have a bigger problem.

Yep. I would say that most of the accounts generated in the 2017/18 run were alts - which means that the retention numbers are nowhere near as bad as the numbers tell. A lot of the accounts these days are created to play games also.

Here's the thing, whether you assume most of the new users are alts or not - the flatness of the curve implies that even if most new active accounts are not new users - because the active author and curator numbers are not rising, either way most actual new users are not sticking around (or they are replacing older active users that are leaving).

or those that are leaving are alts that are falling into disuse for a number of reasons, including being caught for something like spam or plagiarism.

The chart shows daily active users. So such abandonments would have to be very recent (ie we'd be losing the same number of such accounts each day as we are getting new active users). Given no particular change, you'd either expect most such accounts to have left some time ago, or be cycling if alts/farming/plagiarism is still viable(approx self replacing).

To me it looks like "all active" has a 30 day trend from 16,000 up to 18,000 - with that 200 difference being through DApps - am I missing something?

New user and this is just beginning ...
Nice to meet you. where are you from?

welcome. Depends on the time frame - But I guess Australia originally :)

Okay coooooolllllll :D

Yup this was my thought. Most of the new accounts are people just going for horizontal expansion (pretending to be two people cause they reached the growth limit that requires 'skill'), or cheaters hitting the reset button, or people making alts for more benign reasons (games, hive engine tokens, communities, etc).

I think there has been a couple games launched in the recent months and people have learned that it might be better to use an alt

I wonder if there is a way around this such as sub-accounts or something? Someone else mentioned the filters and searches around here need improvement. I think it's more about not wanting to annoy their followers.

I think sub accounts would be a good idea, especially if they can be used separately but are obviously attached to a main. I think it would be useful.

Overall I'd say one of the biggest reasons is the fact that all their friends are still on Web v2 and Hive has an image of an exclusive club which they need to break into.
The lack of direct message does not help. As a social media to have to tell people to go to Discord for socialising seems silly. Luckily I heard this is being worked on because As it stands it feels that Hive is more like a bulletin board.
I also think the reward pool distribution still needs improvement although I do see it going in the right direction.
I still believe it is early days and if we continue building it, eventually they will come on stay.

The lack of direct message does not help. As a social media to have to tell people to go to Discord for socialising seems silly.

Yeah I think this has been an enormous issue since the beginning.

I think a lot of it could be like the new user I just found, and a few I have seen in the past. If you can not interact with the product then you do not use the product. It is like buying a brand new TV and the only way you can use it is to have a power outlet.

No HP, no ability to react or respond to the people that posted to their introduction post. Prior to my delegating 25HP her RC were likely pretty low, now she can at least respond to a few of the comments.

On boarding with out providing a temporary power outlet, is not going to help. I have seen all the arguments, let them spend 20 dollars if they want to use Hive. It was the same over on steem. If they want to play in our sandbox make them pay. That attitude obviously has not worked. Time for people to wake up to that fact.

I delegated to:

  • @quibquab they were brand new in discord asked about HP, I delegated 25 HP, and left a message about doing so, no post no replies, I left the delegation there for almost a month.
  • @the.muse same story as above, they did make a couple of comments, but after those they left, I don't know if it the comments were before or after my delegation to them. They seemed interested, were in discord asking about HP and I left a message and got no reply from either of them, people it seems still want at least a little bit of instant feed back.
  • @filipemarch still has a delegation from me, last interactions were about 2 weeks ago, they are currently powering down, they may be one source to ask why hanging up the Hive Hat.
  • @schmidi still receiving a small delegation from me still active. I saw their intro post commented, delegated to them. They may be one to ask why still active, what kept them active and learning.
  • @turner88 like above found and delegated to on intro post/day, still currently active.
  • @laurenluftballon the newest user, first post a couple hours ago. 25 HP delegated, as they had 0 HP just like all the above when they started out. One to follow and watch and see if they stay or give up the ghost.

Two of the individuals I delegated to I was unable to verify if they were even aware of the delegation and their ability to now interact, and they never did do any significant interactions on hive.

One individual who it seems just did not find what they were looking for.

Two still current and active. Did the starting HP help them decide to stay? Would they still be here with out it? Starting HP and ability to interact on Hive is a very much over looked part in my opinion.

Thank you...and no, not giving up the ghost ;)

It does take time to get use to Hive, and all the little things, at least you have a good group of mentors/friends to help each other out. @mammasitta is a great person, she helped me a lot when I first joined steem.

Hello, bashadow. I noted you mentioned me.
The point is, it is hard to get visibility here. So I am still not convinced if it is worth to stick on this platform, as I can see a lot of potential on YouTube, for example.
I thought on creating a new community specific for animations, but I realized it costs 3 HIVE. So I started to POWER DOWN, because I wasn't sure how everything worked on wallet, so I was clicking here and there, and I realized that HIVE POWER couldn't be used to create new communities. So I decided to POWER DOWN and wait some weeks to get back here.

One of the big issues as I see it. There really is nowhere to send new people to help them understand the system, so much is hit and miss and try this, just to see what works.

Now it seems I have quite 10 HIVE on wallet. So I think I can start creating communities on Hive. But I am not sure if it really is worth the struggle or if I should leave the platform. Have you experience on creating new communities? How hard is to get people on board on new communities? I wouldn't like to waste money if it is quite impossible to get new users on new communities. I don't know how people could find a new community created by me, for example.

It is as difficult getting new people in a community and building a community as it is in getting established as an individual on Hive. Right now there are a lot of communities on Hive, most have a hard time getting established.

An example is I follow 5 Photography Communities. They have from 0 active users with 140 subscribers, (the low side), to 291 active users with 1049 subscribers. Pretty small numbers when you see the amount of photography related post. The large catch all community of GEMS has 1656 active users, and almost 6000 followers.

Remember though Hive Block Chain has only been active for about four months, it is still in its settling in phase. As for getting your community seen, peakd has worked on getting a post promotion system working where you pay to have your post/Advertisement moved higher on the explore tags and feeds list.

I still see a lot of value on Hive. I just needed one friend to get in talk once in a while to get me some advice and make me confident on trying things here.

That will come with time. There are actually a lot of people that are willing to try and help out, both small accounts to medium and large accounts. Also there are so many ways and means of using Hive, that very few people can cover all aspects of it. I know a bit about the PeakD front end, however I could give no advice at all on how to use busy.org, or hive.blog, or eCency, or any of the other front ends.

but the real truth is, last month some people very important to me died due to coronavirus, so I forgot about Hive for some time... but I'm already thinking on some posts

Sorry to hear about the loss. Sometimes having something to do to take our mind off of tragedy is helpful.

Hive-steem have the same problem for user adoption, the learning curve is absurdly high, it is unintuitive and friendly for new users. Another factor to take into account is which was the argument with which the advertising channels seek to attract users, here I will put one of many examples:

a) whale or orca say that they will support initiative to attract users, it does so to maintain a status that is really involved, maybe it does so for love of the platform or really found a way to vote for itself with the smart excuse.

b) these initiatives are opportunities for communities "political parties" that have come together because they understood that operating as an ongs is lucrative, and that is because they rarely follow up on the funds they get with the excuse of managing community, users they attract by publishing with the support of the orca or dolphin. Such an initiative video always sends the same message "publish share and win and participate in our circlejerks", as a new user, you see those influencers making 20$ to 80$ in some posts.

c) This new adoption will spend months understanding what is blockchain, how to layout post, how to make a nice content, how it works hive-steem keychain, peak, follow a trail, participating in activities where they are manipulated as a sect, are used to appear masses, commenting and tweeting.

While that happens, the adoption campaign or initiative ends, why do they never show how many users the influencers and their campaigns attracted, and after 5 months how many they still publish? They will never do such honest exercises, the plan is to take everything they can and find another initiative to cheat and make money.


Another aspect to consider is how many initiatives are there to support quality content? how many whales and dolphins are there to create and support curation projects. https://hive-db.com/labs/author?grouping=monthly
if you look months after months the 100 authors are always the same, because they occupy roles or they already know people from previous activities, at least they know each other from steem-fest, anyone compares who have been there, and what names are always the authors who make more income and look what roles they have, any new user looks at the feed and tries to understand why a couple of pictures make 30$ to 70$?


https://hive.blog/rewards
Why are so few hives that give rewards, like @bluemist @appreciator and @rocky1, practically sustains the whole community, where is the rest?there cannot be an adoption because curie, ocd, curangel, project hope, among others work, there must be more initiatives, what happened to the dao?


When users understand that searching, reporting and adding to blacklists is everyone's job... is what I call having duties on the platform and not believing that because they post they have the right to receive votes (current public culture and wins) until they understand that, "good" authors will earn little or nothing.

When on the platform you can see information such as those who have been added to blacklists, ie white lists and are constantly reviewing that status, when the reputation is something else like what was raised in an algorithm steem-ua interaction, your followers and so on, when you can see the views of other posts, when users with more influence support dapps instead of promoting other dapps from other networks, maybe things could be better.

The kinds of people you attract to the platform depend on how it's advertised.

Telling people that you can get paid to post is the wrong approach in my opinion. Instead, find the people who stay and ask them why they stayed. You may find that it often has less to do with money, and more to do with ownership of content, shared ownership of the platform through staking, and not worrying about censorship and trolls.

People that come here thinking its all about making money are not the people you want to attract anyways. For them, Hive is little more than a ponzi scheme, first in and first to cash out.

Buying hive and powering up is literally an investment, and everyone who powers up is invested in seeing the platform succeed and grow. In that way, you really want to be attracting investors to Hive, because attracting people who have 15 Hive Power and no intention of investing are probably not going to see the point in the first place. I mean, theres more to it than an investment, there's community and the collective pride of knowing that we're all shaping this platform together, but the foundation of the platform requires people to be invested in some way.

  1. They come for the money
  2. Have little or no interest in blogging--they just want the money.
  3. Engagement isn't so great. Asides the few comments they get when they join, not much engagement.
  4. There is so much to learn. From curating to managing a wallet. Most times most people don't know what they are signing up for.
  5. Hive isn't fun (yet).

Suggestion:

  1. Keep old content creators motivated. If they create high-quality content that can at least drive traffic (which seems not to matter that much)
  2. Major stakeholders should work with communities to build stronger networks and orientation champagne for newbies
  3. More fun dapps--not everyone is interested in blogging.
  4. Keep trying new things. No one actually knows all the answers. Maybe we may not like to admit but this is still an experimental project.

Everyone signed up to be a content producer. Nobody came here to consume content.

Not exactly true, I came to steem to be a content consumer, to read free books and stories. And that is pretty much what I did the first three months. Yeah, I made some post/content, but the first primary reason was to read stories. I am still mostly a consumer of content not producer. I now look at art, photos, thought provoking content, and life content. I don't think in the almost 3 years of being active on steem/hive I have ever not found something to enjoy and consume.

Okay. Saying every was an exaggeration. But, I do feel there are more creators than consumers.

Oh not a doubt in my mind about that, there are more creators than consumers, which makes it a great place for me to be a consumer.

yup, it relates to my comment where I mentioned most people who stick around here for long are just here to produce, not to consume. I believe the professional term is too many chefs in the kitchen.

Shitpost is life.

I actually like the shit posts a lot, but the reward structure needs to change. The problem is this will just add complexity.

I came for the tech but stayed for the rekt.
Had a good run but not enough rekt these days :D

Good question! Upvoting good replies too!

For so far as I understand from most people I tried bringing in, it's fairly complicated somehow. Others just got it quite quickly...

It's just a decision in life. If you want something just do it :) So am a Newbie. @manncpt showed me this opertunity and now I am here. I am still learning and doing really well :) But Its not only the money. I love to blogg and to help people. I am based in Austria / Vienna and this is just a new chapter a new way of my life ... cool or cool?

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I like your post very much. You have made many nice comments in your post. I hope those who will see and read your post will be encouraged.

I came to this post because I saw it recommended in a comment. I think many were leaving and still today6, a year later, are leaving for the same reasons:
▶️ False expectations about rewards.
▶️ High learning curve. Lack of simplicity in Hive.
▶️ Lack of initial instructions, a kind of guide with official information from the network on how to use it.
▶️ Feeling of unfairness in seeing mediocre publications well rewarded and seeing others of much value, poorly valued financially.

I will always advocate for a more user friendly and intuitive interface. I think that's part of the great success of apps or networks like Facebook, Instagram or Twitter: their simplicity.

Thanks for bringing us this important question for reflection.

What do you think, my friend @demotruk, would you consider doing another such post today to find out? Can the Hard Fork make things a little better on Hive?

I think the changes in curation could be for the better, but certainly we are still seeing the same problems with a lack of user retention now.