I attempted to upload this to 3speak, but there's some technical issues happening in our beloved platform, so I'm left resorting to using Youtube again.
With that said, I think the conversation we had yesterday after the Peace and Money show was incredibly valuable. It wouldn't be feasible to address/share in this video everything we walked about, but I'm happy we had that long talk.
At some point @starkerz shared his view on how we've failed to retain influencers here- painfully I have to accept his statements as truth. Hence why I'm making this video, because I really feel we need a cultural change, as much as we need new tech.
Can't wait to get the community's take on this.
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I used to follow Atheist Republic. They posted all their videos here, but didn't really engage. Maybe that put people off them, but having their content on Hive was an asset. The fact is that some whales here will use their power to drive people away for whatever reason. You cannot generalise about them though.
I looked up @cryptofinally and @blocktrades tried to help her deal with a troll. Hive does not have the protections of centralised platforms, but it has some ways to deal with that sort of thing.
I just watched this guy talking about how little he makes from his videos elsewhere even with millions of followers. That is largely down to having to pay to use copyright music, but Hive could pay better if it had those numbers.
I've been here almost since the start and seen so many promising people give up on it. I think some just went where the biggest audience was. We have the chicken/egg situation of not having the audience for 'influencers' and not having the content to attract more consumers.
We do have !BEER though!
This guy is a monster. (awesome to have him here) But, I insist. We are not ready for primetime just yet.
What will it take? Some of us have been waiting for years. The whales will not go away, but they stand to profit if Hive does take off.
Meanwhile we should be supporting those creators who are putting real quality content here and then news may spread that there is an alternative. We have to welcome cool people. There are some people I follow who literally only get comments from me.
The lack of a decentralized, second layer smart contract system has put strain on the base layer token to serve multiple roles across the Hive ecosystem and the result is what we see today. Specifically, the only thing that everyone can consistently agree should be rewarded is long form blog and video content. Since the average content creator isn't interested in that, they come and go. Since the average person isn't here, there isn't much of a reason for the influencers to be here either if they are still getting paid with web 2 platforms and so the cycle continues.
Once we can get a healthy layer 2 system, that will ease up things a bit by giving communities the flexibility to run things the way they want to run it. Content might still get downvoted on the base layer, but the content creator might not care about that or even see that if it isn't visible on that communities front end. As long as the creator has enough resource credits, that's all they might care about. That opens up short form content, which is what most people want.
We have been waiting a long time, but I think we are much closer to having a scalable version than we were a few years ago. With VSC being released this month and the multi-signature improvements that the Hive developers are working on putting into one of the next hard forks, I think we are close. I am optimistic that we are close to exponential takeoff, even though right now it seems epically slow.
I'm not against short form and I vote on plenty of Snaps. We do need a mix of content for all tastes, but I can still enjoy reading and writing blogs. The big accounts ought not to drive people away just because it's not the sort of thing they like. We need a bigger 'middle class' to spread the votes.
'Layer 2' may help, but many people won't understand that.
I've been here a long time and I do get frustrated by our lack of progress. I'm still having fun though.
I have heard others say this, but I can’t remember who (probably taskmaster at some point), but I think when Hive the base layer becomes the Amazon Web Services for a variety of layer 2 applications, that’s when we will take off. In other words, users won’t need to know how to navigate both layer 1 and layer 2 applications because layer 1 will be so far in the background, they won’t need to directly interact with it. They will just interact with the layer 2, kind of like splinterlands has been doing. Hive will just be the security and gas token.
I don't fully get how that would all work, but with so few people really active here we need to solve the issues of getting people to join and stay active. People need reasons to stick around and it won't just be down to one thing.
we don't need whales to go away. we need radical cultural shift for the good.
We have to increase the size of the pie, not worry about who gets a slice.
Personal biases aside.
Not so much, really. If Hive was to attract investor attention we have the example of Steem to reveal what will happen. Hive is a pure plutocracy. The majority of staked Hive chooses which witnesses will run code, and the code run by witnesses determines everything. There are many fortunes that could purchase the entire market cap of Hive with lunch money.
The Big Fish in our little pond are minnows in comparison to the sharks out there in the big wide world, and only the stench of Hive's poor reputation and dismal financial performance prevents some shark from shining like another Sun on Hive, which would dislodge all the current oligarchy on Hive from their lock on governance. They have a steady income from maintaining their lock on governance and mining the inflation issuing from the rewards pool. Even if Hive tokens mooned to $10, their capital gains would require them to sell their stake to receive that increase.
You only lose, or profit, from the sale.
I know Hive is a minor player in the scheme of things with the biggest players dealing with 'just' a few $million, but that may be significant for some of them. I'm just playing with it, but I still get projects asking for my proposal vote.
Maybe not that pure.
Hive is imperfect, but still has potential and it makes a difference for a lot of people. I'm not giving up on it.
Nothing but stake determines whose votes for witnesses prevail. I am unable to conceive of a more purely plutocratic method of governance, but that doesn't mean much because I am not very politically competent.
I am here too. Hive has all the structural components of a voluntarist government, and more. All that is preventing Hive from becoming an entirely voluntarist government is that more - the plutocratic control of witnesses, DV's, and the lack of political will. Curation rewards are unnecessary, but that is less about governance than content quality and ROI being more predictable and easy for substantial stakes to attain via HBD savings.
I'm not holding my breath for these changes. In fact I bloviate far too often recommending them instead, but hope springs eternal. It remains possible that BT, Smooth, GTG, and the rest can adopt these changes any time they want and usher in the future of freedom.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for such fundamental changes. I always say that Hive is imperfect, but that doesn't mean it's not better than a lot of alternatives where you rely on a single company for everything.
If we are not relying on stake then what is the alternative?
We have a mix of witnesses and some really disagree with others. That seems healthy to me.
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I've had some recent issues uploading to 3speak as well thus the reason I often fall to YouTube, but yesterday did have some success. There have been several influencers from the "Old days" that tried out the chain. One that comes to mind back then was Kraig Adams. He came on and tested the waters and walked away. I even reached out to him to make sure it was legit him via DM on twitter back then and he confirmed it was him. I just wanted to make sure someone wasn't faking his name and stealing his video content. At the time, he just didn't feel like it was stable/consistent enough to be worth his time (he's a video creator). So interesting that today, we still have times when we can't upload :D Short answer is...no, we aren't ready.
I have to ask, mostly because I don't really know. Is 3speak being down a common event?
I don't really know honestly. I'm a bit of a random uploader so the last 3 or 4 times I tried it wouldn't upload. I think for many, like myself, you just want it to work and if you have had the YouTube experience, it's extremely reliable. If you've put the time into creating, editing, coloring, etc a video piece...you don't want to screw around with an upload process that doesn't work .
It does have to "just work". We have to keep in mind not everyone is a techie.
I today asked Peakd what prevents embedding video from other platforms and in different formats, that other fora have been able to do for decades. I suspect there is no good reason, but there is a reason.
Hive is kept this size because this is what the oligarchy can keep control of. Steem reveals what happens to a plutocracy that attracts investor interest. The sole attraction Hive presents is the ability to simply completely control governance by no more stringent barrier than buying more tokens than anyone else. Certainly our performance financially isn't attracting investors.
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You mean Rumble videos? What platform should we be integrating here?
https://peakd.com/hive-139531/@valued-customer/re-peakopen-stt0yk
That is the short list, of course, excerpted from my comment to Peakd.
Edit: also, when we provide a link to a video we direct traffic to that site. When we embed video into a post on Hive, we instead create a library of content here, and reduce the need of interested people to leave Hive to learn what they want to know.
Nike pays people to wear its brand. The value the company gets from publicity presumably far outweighs the cost of paying a celebrity. Maybe Hive can look at celebrity the same way. The high-value names may cost in rewards earned, but the publicity, and aura of legitimacy, they bring to Hive will likely outweigh that cost.
We should do anything we can to onboard the 'influencers'(oh how I hate that word😄),and to keep them.
This makes sense to me. I may not like the whole "influencer" thing. But this is how the game is played.
Well, over here maybe there is something worth to «click», read and digest about this conundrum you are talking about my friend.