Parents' advice: What is needed and unneeded.

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  I mentioned in a post some time ago how I broke many rules established by my parents, more specifically my father who is a very controlling person. He always dumped me and my brother with his point of view, some for sure I still exaggerated but somehow some helped me. However, I still missed some advice that could be very worthwhile for my life. Since he was controlling, he wasn't much of a bit of a listener, so he always preferred to give commands instead of listening and maybe help with a problem.

  Eu mencionei em um post algum tempo atrás como quebrei muitas regras estabelecidas pelos meus pais, mais especificamente pelo meu pai, que é uma pessoa muito controladora. Ele sempre impunha a nós, eu e meu irmão, a sua visão das coisas, algumas das quais eu com certeza exagerei, mas de alguma forma algumas delas me ajudaram. No entanto, ainda senti falta de alguns conselhos que poderiam ser muito valiosos para minha vida. Como ele era controlador, não era muito de ouvir, então ele sempre preferiu dar ordens em vez de ouvir e talvez ajudar com um problema.

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  I guess that the usual control of " where are you going and with whom" was the most common. And also "Where is your report card from the school?". I had some problems during high school, which included bullying problems that were ignored by my parents, which led me to a more reclusive inner self. I started to use more the computer and play more games, hidden when they were sleeping. I started to stay awake overnight and sleep during school, which brought me bad grades for most of the year and started to hide them from my parents. But this problem just grew and in the end, they discovered. I was afraid of showing them those grades because of the lack of validation, so I was fearing what was going to be the consequences. In the end, I think I have the best experience in my memory between good advice and tutoring. I had failed in physics and math mostly and I had a last chance called the "final or recuperation test", it was the last chance in my school before you got the year lost, it is one test that you had to score 7/10 on least. My father is a mechanical engineer with a nuclear background, so he taught me how to study for these classes. We got the books together and started to do multiple exercises from each topic, after a while I learned how to solve problems for each topic that I needed to learn. So the best advice that I got from him was tricks to study math and physics. But like I said, I had many discussions with him about what he thought was right, and in the end, it was a certain truth but only for him. The first discussion was when I decided to be a biologist. For him, the only careers that would be worth were either Medicine, Engineering, or Law school. I think that I mentioned about this fight also in another post. The stigma of having careers that bring you money is unfair. Yes, most of the people in these areas have a good income. The problem is that when you are in a career without liking it, can damage your health. Money is important but not the only thing. The second mistake in this advice is that there are professionals in those areas that are unsuccessful. I had a former school colleague who went to engineering, he gave up now he owns a Japanese food restaurant. In addition, you don't need to be rich to be successful, you need to provide life to your home, and that's enough. Another big discussion that we had was about god, during my youth I had a big discussion with him, at that time I was purely atheist, nowadays I haven't changed much, but I just created another concept of god, that isn't the main concept, for me to adjust to my thoughts. But I remember him screaming that I need to believe in God. Well, you can believe in anything, if you like to believe that your shoes are the creator of the world is up to you right? It is the same thing if I criticize his beliefs that I also think I couldn't interiorize as well.

  Nowadays, what bothers us ( including my wife) is his traveling decisions to visit us. To be able to host my parents, everything needs to be set a bit earlier since I need to ask for paid vacations previously with a certain time, also if they plan to visit during a certain time of the year like their next plan on June, we usually book many local camping travels so we need to know the specific date that they are coming so we can fit our lives. However, he prefers always to buy last-hour plane tickets, so in addition to spending much more money, which is his money so for sure he decides to burn it as he wishes, we also can't plan well our lives. This happens every time that they plan to come to visit us. So what do we do now? We just keep living our lives normally and planning normally, if my father comes or if he comes he will need to adapt to our schedules and know previously how our life is moving forward.

  Acredito que o controle usual de "para onde você vai e com quem" era o mais comum. E também "Onde está seu boletim da escola?". Eu tive alguns problemas durante o ensino médio, incluindo problemas de bullying que foram ignorados pelos meus pais, o que me levou a um eu interior mais recluso. Comecei a usar mais o computador e jogar mais games, escondido quando eles estavam dormindo. Comecei a ficar acordado durante a noite e dormir durante a escola, o que resultou em más notas na maior parte do ano, e comecei a escondê-las de meus pais. Mas esse problema apenas cresceu e, no final, eles descobriram. Eu tinha medo de mostrar a eles essas notas por falta de validação, então temia quais seriam as consequências. No final, acho que tive a melhor experiência na minha memória entre bons conselhos e tutoria. Eu tinha falhado principalmente em física e matemática, e tinha uma última chance chamada "prova final ou de recuperação", era a última oportunidade na minha escola antes de perder o ano, sendo uma prova em que você precisava tirar pelo menos 7/10. Meu pai é engenheiro mecânico com formação em nuclear, então ele me ensinou como estudar para essas disciplinas. Pegamos os livros juntos e começamos a fazer vários exercícios de cada tópico, depois de um tempo aprendi a resolver problemas para cada tópico que precisava aprender. O melhor conselho que recebi dele foram truques para estudar matemática e física. Mas, como eu disse, tive muitas discussões com ele sobre o que ele achava certo, e no final, era uma verdade certa apenas para ele. A primeira discussão foi quando decidi ser biólogo. Para ele, as únicas carreiras que valeriam a pena eram Medicina, Engenharia ou Faculdade de Direito. Acredito que mencionei essa luta em outro post. O estigma de ter carreiras que trazem dinheiro é injusto. Sim, a maioria das pessoas nessas áreas tem uma boa renda. O problema é que, quando você está em uma carreira sem gostar dela, pode prejudicar sua saúde. Dinheiro é importante, mas não é a única coisa. O segundo erro nesse conselho é que há profissionais nessas áreas que não têm sucesso. Tive um ex-colega de escola que foi para a engenharia, desistiu e agora é dono de um restaurante japonês. Além disso, não é necessário ser rico para ter sucesso, você precisa proporcionar vida à sua casa, e isso é suficiente. Outra grande discussão que tivemos foi sobre Deus, durante a minha juventude tive uma grande discussão com ele, naquela época eu era puramente ateu, hoje em dia não mudei muito, mas criei outro conceito de Deus, que não é o conceito principal, para eu me ajustar aos meus pensamentos. Mas lembro dele gritando que eu precisava acreditar em Deus. Bem, você pode acreditar em qualquer coisa, se gostar de acreditar que seus sapatos são os criadores do mundo, é com você, certo? É a mesma coisa se eu criticar suas crenças, que também acho que não poderia interiorizar tão bem.

  Atualmente, o que nos incomoda (incluindo minha esposa) são as decisões de viagem dele para nos visitar. Para poder hospedar meus pais, tudo precisa ser planejado um pouco antes, já que preciso solicitar férias remuneradas com antecedência, e também se eles planejam visitar durante uma determinada época do ano, como o próximo plano em junho, geralmente reservamos muitas viagens locais para acampar, então precisamos saber a data específica em que eles virão para podermos ajustar nossas vidas. No entanto, ele sempre prefere comprar passagens de avião de última hora, então, além de gastar muito mais dinheiro, que é o dinheiro dele, então com certeza ele decide gastá-lo como quiser, também não podemos planejar bem nossas vidas. Isso acontece sempre que eles planejam vir nos visitar. Então, o que fazemos agora? Continuamos vivendo nossas vidas normalmente e planejando normalmente, se meu pai vier ou quando vier, ele precisará se adaptar aos nossos horários e saber antecipadamente como nossa vida está progredindo.

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  I think one of the consequences that was good for my life was avoiding more commands from my father after moving to another country, we talked mostly once a week or less. So he doesn't know much about our daily life and has fewer opinions about what we are doing right or wrong in his point of view. Sometimes it isn't about right and wrong, for every person there is a right and wrong which can differ you. The really good advice and attitude is when you listen to the person and understand how they can help this person. How the person wants to be helped, sometimes the person doesn't want to be helped. So listening is an important aspect that I as a father now need to be more active compared to how my father did, so I can help and give the advice that my kids need, and not what I want them to do.

  Eu acredito que uma das consequências positivas para a minha vida foi evitar mais comandos do meu pai depois de me mudar para outro país. Nós conversávamos principalmente uma vez por semana ou menos. Assim, ele não sabe muito sobre nossa vida cotidiana e tem menos opiniões sobre o que estamos fazendo certo ou errado em sua perspectiva. Às vezes, não se trata de certo e errado; para cada pessoa, há um certo e errado que pode diferenciar. O conselho e a atitude realmente bons são quando você ouve a pessoa e compreende como pode ajudá-la. Como a pessoa quer ser ajudada, às vezes ela não quer ser ajudada. Portanto, a escuta é um aspecto importante que, como pai agora, preciso ser mais ativo em comparação com o que meu pai fez, para poder ajudar e dar os conselhos que meus filhos precisam, e não o que eu quero que eles façam.


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Most of the parents wants to see their child as a doctor, engineer or a Lawyer. It's the same in our region also. They act like no other profession exist in this world.

I think most of the advice of parents are for our good but sometimes lack of understanding of parents some become pointless.

the biggest problem is to understand with what we really need help, for example, I decided to go to biology school, so why keep fighting that? They could support and say " ok, what you need to do now? Do you need help with that?"

Forcing is not good. I believe we can't do better going against what we want to be. Doesn't matter how the benefitable profession it is.

It is so very sad that the most important people, our parents, fail so horribly in basic contact and communication.

But that is also because of their own trauma.
But they act as if they were perfect and even go so far to blame the (still not so conscious child)...

But if we look at them with focus, we recognize that they also just play adult ROLES.
And mostly aren't even really themselves.

Abysses open up at that topic.

And children are really not the people that should therapy their adults..
Even though adults often ask for that (unconsciously) by also giving CHILDREN the RESPONSIBILITY of the parent's feelings! (it is the child's fault that the mother, father feels bad, they claim.. Which is basically turning around tables, the parents want to be children again, or misuse their authority to be always right..)

Good post and thanks for sharing it! Most do not have the power, are not strong enough to share these deep things and bite into it and become bitter.. :/)

Greets and all the best! Do not make the same mistakes (but also no stressing yourself!) - we need to break this generational trauma.

But that is also because of their own trauma.

Correct, that's something that I have been focusing in accept it, they aren't doing it because they are bad, and they suffered as well, maybe in different ways. About the power of sharing, I think is something that is something that can only be done after comprehending that our brain and way of being were all built during our childhood and it is part of getting free of the guilt that we absorb and make us suffer during our life. For me, it is part of the transformation exposing this stuff.
Again thanks again helping fight bad people around here =)

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I guess parenting techniques differs, some prefers to listen why others prefer to give commands. The thing about children is that when they realise there is no one to talk to about their plight it eventually affect them in numerous ways. I believe he should have listened to what you want instead of forcing what he wants on you.

I have had experiences with parents choosing a child's career path it doesn't always turn out great because the best kind of jobs is the kind of job that a person enjoys doing, more like a hobby.


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Realmente, ouvir conselhos de alguém que não sabe dar os conselhos ou faz isso com muita raiva ou um jeito mais grosso é complicado. Muito além de apenas falar e falar, é bom ouvir, é bom escutar o que o outro lado têm para falar, talvez de um pai para um filho, o filho já até entende o que ele está falando, mas como a comunidade é grossa o filho acaba nao entendendo.

Importante é que você se tornou uma pessoa legal, bacana, com uma esposa e filhas e tenho certeza que é um ótimo pai para aconselhar.

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Sim a gente tenta o maximo né! Sempre reflito tb se o que faço é o certo… acho que isso que é importante … sempre refletir o dia e ações nao so com nossos filhos mas com todas nossas relações , sejam afetivas ou no trabalho. Valeu pelos elogios :)

Por nada mano, vc é um cara massa, tenho certeza que vai ter sempre um momento para escutar e avaliar depois. flws

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Ouch no wonder you got farther from God because he was screaming abt it and that's like shoving it down your throat. For what it's worth, parents always have the best intentions despite our complaints about their shortcomings. It's not easy being a parent. Hehe.