Thinking of moving to parler? Don''t

in #informationwar4 years ago (edited)

Many conservatives, including high profile ones, have moved or are transitioning onto the parler platform away and from twitter as a consequence of jack banning carpe donktum-a favorite by many for his talent at creating conservative memes. Also there is no doubt that twitting is controlling the trending tab and the top posts under the trending tabs, hindering conservative engagement.
see https://twitter.com/carpedonktum?lang=en

I too was going to sign up and try to make an early voice for myself. But unlike many others, I took the time to read the terms of service and it is just revolting and unethical. I can understand, I was early on the scene created a social media site that never took off, the desire to keep liability to a minimum, Many things can go wrong and without venture capital, one mistake can bankrupt your company and compromise all your customers. Think it can't happen? many sites have bad code, many sites have internal employees who make mistakes or maliciously harm the company itself. they spell that out in section 11 of the EULA.

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eula:https://legal.parler.com/documents/useragreement.pdf
archived: http://archive.is/KfoyV

So if anything goes wrong, they put in their EULA, that they cannot be held liable in the courts-only through arbitration of an arbitrator of their choice. for small claims, you cannot even use and attorney-and you have to use the phone or internet even if you have severe anxieties. That is likely an Americans with disabilities act violation.

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More, that you cannot participate in a class action lawsuit against them. Many agencies, especially governments, do illegal things. In the instance of a small government, they know a person isn't going to spend $10k+ or more to fight off a $25 fee. In the private sector when a bunch of small torts start to add up, your class action lawyers may act on a contingency basis expecting say 25-40% of the pie-some may be parts of big firms going to invest millions to dig through discovery. They are quite expensive for companies, and many companies would rather settle than divulge internal documents. Granted a class action lawsuit would be barred due to the arbitration agreement, but supposing there is a situation where the courts would have jurisdiction they removing the option of a class action.

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Worse, you have ti legally idemnify them, and pay the cost of their defense. So if some troll decides to do a take down order injunction of your post, whether going to the family courts crying harassment, or a civil court claiming copyright violation, or outright sues them for damages. Guess who is going to be paying for parler's attorneys, and any settlements they reach. Granted section 230 helps to an extent, but do you really want to be paying say $1000/hour each to x lawyers, any travel expenses, and hotel suites, etc, etc until a judge grants a section 230 dismissal.

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i had mentioned these things on telegram last night [Milo's chat]. One person piped up and said "fed fed", but I am not sure in that context. Another user followed up and asked if he thought the parlor app was owned by the feds.

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And to be quite honest we can't rule that out. The federal government, particularly the left wing USDOJ [including the FBI], have been targeting right wing extremist and the president himself-even the IRS targeted tea partiers. To sign up, I am seeing reports that they send an sms to your telephone. So even if you were to use a vpn or tor, the feds would still be able to track your phone-unless you are quite organized and have third parties in remote foreign places who can do all that for you. There is only a veneer of anonymous speech if true-normally the government would have to issue a warrant to get a person's identity.

So if the claim that parler=feds is true, the government would have a complete map of everyone's private messages, posts, network, location, and most importantly identity. You couldn't sue because of arbitration. I am not sure if the Federal Arbitration Act can sidestep section 1983 liability if it is exposed that they really are a government agency or working for them, but so long as the government pretends it is a private entity that isn't conspiring with the government then that question may not be raised.

Worse, if it is controlled by the USDOJ, they could run analytics and perform opposition research for the DNC. What might be a passing bad joke or maybe a bad idea or friended/liked the wrong person/post, they [USDOJ] could hold onto such information until it was conveniently timely to commence a federal action or smear campaign right before the election itself.

As tempting as it may be to dump twitter and move to Parler for most conservatives and libertarians, even without jumping to whatifs, we should just look at the EULA and see it is almost as bad as the south park human icentipad/itunes elua.

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Good idea to actually read the obligations you would have to agree to undertake before using a service.

I have a request. Please use the word 'rational' instead of conservative. You could also use the word 'irrational' instead of liberal, as those seem to be what you actually mean, rather than the political platforms defined as conservative or liberal.

It may change the way you view politics, which I believe would be beneficial to you.

Thanks!

While [modern] American liberals are proving themselves to be more and more irrational, while I would agree that the ordibnary conservative is rational, rationalism this isn't what we are seeing at the national level-especially in how the federal elected congressional republicans are handling police reforms.

Perhaps an argument could be made for conservatives being irrational is why they keep buying products by companies trying to ban/control all conservative arguments, such as:

Unilever Plc, Coca-Cola Co., Honda Motor Co., Hershey Co. ,Diageo Plc ,PepsiCo ,Verizon Communications Inc., Levi Strauss & Co., Diamond Foundry Inc., Patagonia Inc., Ben & Jerry’s Homemade Inc., Viber, The North Face, REI, Upwork Inc., Eileen Fisher Inc.

They are voting with their dollars for tyranny each time they buy from these companies.

Conservatism has a large spectrum of ideas. Some of them, especially from the federalist, I find to be quite irrational. The Federalist who, like modern liberals, are still fighting the civil war and they are responsible for the qualified & sovereign immunity mess and near race war we are in. Others just seem to be born out of shock entertainment [more of a side show] like the groypers [and some could say shock entertainment includes the westboro baptist church]-and Nick Fuentes' cookie analogy wasn't exactly rational except to give himself and the groypers exposure-which probably translates into more revenues. They mostly grew because big tech tried to replace old conservative voices with con inc/tp usa, and the groypers hit con inc hard where they were philosophically weakest-and Con inc has flip flop when politically convenient. TP USA still has some big voices left such as Ben Shapiro, but it has pretty much fizzled out. They are pretty much all at each others throats now. There is no 11th commandment going on. Meanwhile CPAC is still friendly to the media who gets conservatives canceled, and hostile to canceled conservatives.

Big tech dealt a huge blow to the conservative movement in banning Milo/Loomer/Jones/McInness, and many others. Maybe Parler will give allow them to rise up again, but many aren't too happy that Trump hasn't stood up for them, and it's not like they are going to do speaking tours during covid19. Additionally, they are unlikely to get much exposure to moderates and democrats and red pill them; mostly just preaching to the choir.

At least hive doesn't have that problem; we just need more users and more interaction.

I am glad to see that my intended purpose has long before been attained: you have already grasped that neither cheek of the political arse is rational and protecting our freedom. I had hoped that the cognitive dissonance of having to consider the acts you note above as rational would free you from the grip of the clenched cheeks of the two party system. You seem to have done that yourself.

"They are voting with their dollars for tyranny each time they buy from these companies."

And this is why we all need to adopt the decentralized means of production that today are becoming available. We can keep our wealth, rather than being parasitized by economic vampires, such as those you list above, and by doing so not only do we increase our wealth, but we end the power of overlords to impose tyranny on us.

Thanks!

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