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RE: The Truth will win in the end!

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I agree... How can you compare the genocide of over 11 million people to health measures adopted by countries to combat a global pandemic...weaponizing the Holocaust to attack those policies is not accurate and not really good judgement by the OP. It's a perversion of history to reflect his narrative and trivializes the memories of victims and survivors. To be honest the end of this post is sickening.

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As an Israeli Jew whose wife lost much of her family in the Holocaust in Poland and who has studied the Holocaust extensively I am perfectly entitled and qualified to make this comparison and it is quite accurate that the current situation reflects the discriminatory laws, scapegoating, de-personing that occurred in the period 1935-1938 and prepared the ground for the Final Solution that commenced only in 1942.

Many Israeli Jews have made this comparison including actual Holocaust survivors.

Indeed the global use of this comparison was initiated by Israeli Jews well aware of both the sensitivities but also the stark reality that the same thing was happening again.

I see... don't think I called out that you have no right to use the analogy, more so should you use it. I married into a Jewish family whose grandparents were lucky to have escaped Poland (Ivansk). They lost most family lines but we had an uncle (passed away a couple of years ago) who was a survivor of Auschwitz-Birkenau, Buna, Dora-Mittelbau and Bergen-Belsen death camps. He lived with that tattoo on his arm for the rest of his life. It was a constant reminder to him and all of us.

I don't see much support for using the comparison. Conversely, I do see many organizations and survivors calling for a stop to using it as a comparative. Obviously, you are free to choose to continue to use it.

As a side note, the first law persecuting the Jews was in 1933... would be interesting to see a comparison of the more than 400 decrees and regulations imposed by the Nazi regime on those that had no choice. Then compare them to the current mandates on those that have the freedom to choose.

There is no freedom to choose when massive coercion is involved.

It is quite clear now in Israel that the jab is an utter failure. Rates of serious cases for Omicron are identical irrespective of how many jabs you've had (zero, two, three or even four).
The jab clearly doesn't stop transmission either as its run wild everywhere including places with very high jab rates.

As a side note, German Jews actually did have a choice to give the Nazis half their assets and move to Israel where the value of those assets was a trade credit from the Yishuv to Germany. A huge amount of capital which established the state was transferred this way.
If you went anywhere else the Nazis took all your money,

Because that’s how it started. You aren’t comparing fair points. You don’t compare today to 1945. You compare to how it started in early 1930’s… look at these stats.
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Good info here also https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xZLH8DcXJz8

Do people actually read the information or just watch videos and repost whatever supports a specific narrative? It's hard to take heavily unbiased surveys seriously when the primary purpose of the survey is to bolster one political view over another, clearly.

Case in point ...

"Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications."

Yet, in the same vain 67% of likely voters oppose. So, removing the political biases, the majority of the survey population is not in favour. Looking at just the LV column the nuance of the survey changes drastically.

Data breakdown of the survey results from the report

In my mind, anything that clearly foists data to support one ideology over another should be thrown out. The data and questions are usually forced to support the narrative. It's a biased World. I have to say the stuff coming out of the States is not helping the World at all.

Oh boy, there's a lot of dramatic hyperbole in that video. I don't agree with fines or taxes for people that choose to not vaccinate. At the same time, how do you mitigate the resource and financial crunch that is killing our hospitals largely because people choose not to vaccinate?

You respectfully aren’t at all up on stats. I’m moving on since U are not willing to do some research. I understand it’s easy to get emotional about this but some basic research would show there’s no literally no over sample or unvaccinated compared to vaccinated in hospitals. In many it’s different he opposite. Have you researched it? Have u talked to nurses? People in hospitals who can discuss this and what stats the media isn’t talking about? Without u doing this I just don’t see point in talking more about this. I part respectfully and with no bad will towards you. Have a good weekend

Sounds good, no worries - nothing wrong with a little discourse. I could ask the same thing of you though. Unfourtunelty I feel like the most I would get back is additional links to videos or plot-laden posts/sites. I do have close friends that are nurses working in critical care. They are burnt out and tired. Their stories do not contradict what is being reported. All I ask of anyone is what you are asking of me - question your sources - it's a two-way street. Have a good one.

I think you also a bit over did in your comment. I am sure Hamilton has no dis for the victims. I also understand the fear of a snow ball of dictatorship. We can disagree on many things and still find common ground. Some countries indeed adopt health measures but some destroyed many people in the name of this pandemic fight.

Sure there's always common ground. Just think it's a slippery slope to allow unchallenged comparisons as above. What's going on now is in no way directly comparable to what happened then. Maybe it's tongue in cheek, still in poor taste.