Sure it is the art piece that is being defended and not rather the freedom of artistic expression? Since art can take on many meanings and, as I said, is a matter of interpretation on the part of the viewer, it can be offensive, displeasing, provocative etc.
This is probably what falls under the censorship of a nanny state that wants to keep everything under its control and therefore censors art or encourages institutions to act as gatekeepers of what ought to be said (through art) and what ought not to be said.
I agree with you that artistic freedom should not be subject to censorship, because otherwise it is no longer art but the predictable fulfilment of certain zeitgeists and the wishes of authorities. Whether I violate the integrity of any of your followers or commenters, I leave to those who read my comment, they are surely old enough to complain themselves, should it be so and therefore probably do not need your intercession.
Apparently I have offended yours.
I have visited your blog from time to time and never found an art publication as pure material without a text. If you think that would leave the viewer uninfluenced, I won't stop you. To what extent that happens, I make no assumption. I just have asked you if you can imagine to publish your art without a frame of text.
The fact that I could miss the punk of your words, so be it, is no cardinal offence and neither is adding my own. What is the big deal? In fact, I could say, for example, that I find your art totally stupid and pointless, or that I find something great in it, and you wouldn't have to defend yourself in either case, because there's nothing to defend in that regard.
Does anyone react in a way that you perceive as negative feedback? And wouldn't that be a compliment rather than an insult, for example?
In the past we've talked. You're fond of twisting things out of shape. You make communication difficult. You're asking me to do things your way. I don't want to.
I'm not offended or insulted with negative feedback. I feel like you're just gaslighting. It's well documented as I've said numerous times the people who don't like your work outnumber those who do by a huge margin and that just comes with the territory. You're sitting here acting like I don't know what I got myself into. I'm not offended. You're annoying, but that's fine, because I've taken a lot of flak over the years anyway. Maybe you don't see it under my posts a lot, but it's there.
Nearly 1000 posts here. Some of which are just art and no words. My approach over the years isn't on rails. The words surrounding the art in some cases are not framing the art, in some cases the art is adding to the words, in some cases it's adding confusion, completely void of suggestions, opening the door to a wide array of potential thoughts inside the minds of those taking it all in, and I haven't even covered everything.
Take a look at this post for example. The writing is a story about me golfing, delivered in a creative way. The images were produced before I even went on that trip, had nothing to do with golf when they were produced, and came combined with words about other things when they were originally released. But in that case you can see how they can apply to the story about golf. I could take those same images, write a story about something else totally not about golf, and they'd fit.
And why put me in a position to have to explain things while in the same breath claiming they should not be explained. Maybe you just don't get it, and that's perfectly fine. "Unpure?" The art I'm producing is more than just images. It's a combination of things and that's how I like to do it. And I'm not telling people to do what I do either, claiming if they don't they won't receive an authentic response, because that would be total bullshit. They do their thing and that's fine.
People will come along and be assholes. So what? I even joked about it in the post above, which from build up to breakdown, wasn't intended to be taken seriously. Calling something like this stupid and pointless for instance, would kind of be stupid and pointless, because stupid and pointless are some of the elements making it entertaining. It's also riddled with self-deprecating humor.
That's right. You don't have to like my twists. Of course, to me, they make sense.
It's obvious, you can do or not do what you like. After all, I can't let you do anything I would like; conversely, you can't do it to me either.
You can't presume that I know anything about what you have well documented.
Well, in fact I don't know what you have gotten yourself into, how would I know that? My statements reflected my own views.
HaHa! It's true, I was annoying. Depending on how you talk to each other, it can be refreshing, but also tiring.
Such is life, to take in a lot of flak. You're truly not the only one who has something to take in.
As I said, I don't have the power to tell you what to do. I provoked you. I experience provocation as annoying or irritating, yet it is also a trigger to take it as an opportunity to ask myself if there is something to it. If not, then not. And if there is, I feel challenged, something that can certainly contribute to one's development.
Now I know your answer. Since it is obvious bullshit for you, there is nothing more to say.
I wouldn't touch on something I see as bullshit, myself.
You do your thing. Bye.
Does it make sense to tell something like a comic publisher to get rid of the words, put their work in a gallery, and have people come try to figure out what they're saying, in order to get a genuine response? Would that be a reasonable "dare?"
You're saying I'm cutting people off from the full experience, yet if you looked, you can see them enjoying that full experience you describe under my posts, and me having fun with it, often.
I wouldn't call it being provoked. A lot of people don't get what I'm doing. A lot of people have said I'm not getting a genuine response for whatever reason they feel like cooking up that day. It gets old. It's always nonsense and it always insults the integrity of people enjoying my stuff, which is uncalled for. Tired of trying to explain as well, and I never want to. Take a lot of flak and still enjoy what I do. If I just put a picture up and said nothing, on this platform, people would find a way to pissed off about that, too. And I have no desire to follow some kind of traditional approach to being an artist in order to be accepted and fit in with a crowd. That's really no different than the aforementioned standardized AI groupthink, in my mind.
Unfortunately I'm left feeling like you ignored most of what I said and focused on the one time I used the word, "bullshit," which in that context meant I'd be an asshole if I went around telling people how to run their businesses.
Have a nice day.
So you're saying that because people like your stuff, I already have the power to violate their integrity because I provocatively stated that honest responses to your publications are not self-evident?
That means, by implication, that people who comment here always do so honestly, understandingly and authentically? If that were so, you'd probably be the only one on the planet whose audience is capable of such a thing. LOL
Isn't it the aim and desire of art to be inappropriate and if it is, I would think that the audience would also exhibit such inappropriateness.
If the combination of text and image is your kind of performance, I agree that the possibility is very likely that I do not understand it as you yourself understand it.
The example you gave me (golf game) caused me no connection between your visuals and your story. So you expect that here is a connection between what I see in the images contained therein and your golf course episode, I can only say there is none. I found the story entertaining and it could have stood alone, without the images at all.
In other words, I criticised for being confronted with too much information in this kind of performance and you can of course say that's my problem. But you could also react completely differently and ask yourself if you could possibly reduce your performance and the abundance of information, for example.
If you arbitrarily connect images with stories the whole thing rather gets an additional jumbled character for me, the statements increase in the measure that the text increases in mass and weaken the visual (my opinion, not more).
I do not exclude the possibility that others like me do not perceive the connection between text and image as a unity, but separately.
If you think I have violated anyone's integrity, you seem to have a prior knowledge of these "others", i.e. how quickly someone sees theirs violated. Whether someone does that or peels an egg on it is for the one who wants to say it to say.
You said that it was fine if I didn't understand. What now? Is not understanding and suggesting something else too much of an imposition for you? Since I have already admitted that I have no power to demand that you produce art that I can understand, this point should be adequately covered. After all, it would be too funny if I stood up and told you, "Do it differently! Do it the way I like it!" and then expect you to do exactly that.
What if you don't do it? Well, nothing, there is no consequence whatsoever in relation to you and me.
For my part, I can say that what you call flaks, provocative statements about what I said or did are the salt in the soup of my life. After all, the annoying ones, the ones giving me contra, have always been the ones who either taught me to listen better, sharpen my arguments or otherwise gain some insight. I haven't necessarily thanked them for it, of course, but have been annoyed with them, had to look at my bruised ego first, etc. - but am free to decide at any time whether it is just hot air or has some substance I want to be interested in.
I would have been more surprised if things were different between you and me. Whether you say bullshit or hot air or violate integrity makes little difference.
Of course, they would. And why wouldn't they? Is being "pissed off" something to be avoided?
Your channel is highly frequented. That means you get all kinds of reactions. Would you like it better not to receive pissed off reactions?
Sure, it is only tiresome to debate? To me, it seems, that you also like it.
That's not what I meant. You're twisting things out of shape again. At this point I have a feeling it's intentional.
I don't feel like talking in circles. If you need to win a conversation, you can go find someone else.
You participated in circling around, telling that I hurt peoples integrity. I was particularly challenged by that.
Integrity:
Show me a human being who is impeccable, unblemished, unimpeachable or incorruptible in expressing his opinion in the open and I bow to that purity of character.
I answered some of the things you asked, you explained to me or directed me towards.
It is not about winning a conversation. If that's what you see, it may be so. Though I admit that I feel provoked to aggravate you, that's true and you sensed this kind of intention correctly.
I wave you good bye.
Once again, you're twisting things out of shape and you've now admitted it's intentional. I'm not interested in taking the bait and talking in circles, nor do I feel like being messed with today. I suggest you go find something else to do and leave me out of it.