Valueplan Strategy

in #life8 days ago

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Valueplan has posted seeking comment from the Hive userbase. This is the comment I left there.

"To create the 2025 general marketing strategy for Hive we need to outline our main goals. Our current goals are:

"Increase listings, integrations and partnerships
"Inspire investment in HIVE and HBD and increase their utility
"Onboarding and retention of long-term community members"

Since I began using Hive's progenitor in May 2017 I have observed as more than a million people undertook the onboarding process and learning curve to join the community and contribute posts and comments to our library of content. I have watched them leave too, as we have ejected them. That library and satisfied users is all the marketing program Hive needs. The market will not be fooled by tricks or gimmicks without content of interest presented by a satisfied userbase. The vast majority of reasonable people lost any respect and confidence in the platform when bidbots were allowed to operate, and rightly so. The primacy of greed, of grubby, filthy lucre being the sole purpose of every act, of every aspect of the code, could hardly have been better demonstrated.

During this same period social media has risen to become the largest sector of the global financial market, demonstrating that people face existential threats they seek means to secure themselves, their communities, and property from that mere pecuniary interest is immaterial to. Hive's demonstrable maximization of financial interest has prevented it's utility to that market, and is why it has the worst retention of users in the social media market.

Hive's underlying offer to the market of a social media platform that resists censorship and enables people to earn from their posts through micropayments from their audience, instead of the advertising model of web2 social media platforms that remunerate only the most popular creators, has not failed to attract users, but it has failed to retain them because it did not live up to it's offer. The narrative wasn't left to the creators, the people discussing the things that matter to them, but has been managed for the purposes of the majority owners of the platform, which is and has been ~3 dozen whales.

The market revealed that onboarding was not the problem. The UI was not the problem. The platform failed to deliver meaningful censorship resistance. It failed to deliver even modest earnings to the vast majority of those users. After overcoming onboarding and UI issues these users began to post and comment, and then encountered unrestrained taxation of their author rewards as the whales' minions used their ninjamined stakes to flag them continually, zeroing their rewards serially until they left. The bidbots were almost worse than the flaggots at destroying Hive's reputation and userbase, but the two together rightly caused respect and confidence in the platform to evaporate.

Almost every user that joined the platform quit because the dynamic offered was not what was actually delivered. Rather than provide a list of the folks that were flagged off the platform, let's do the opposite: make a list of folks that have joined and stayed, particularly those with substantial audiences, so called 'influencers'. The number that came and tried to make a go of it shows that the onboarding process and the UI didn't prevent them from posting. They were driven off after they came. Retention is basically zero.

Zero.

It doesn't matter that any of us might disagree with any or all of their views or how popular they were. Any and all of these views are part of the conversations and ferment of the free speech market which Hive is dependent on serving, and only insofar as Hive allows the market to self regulate can Hive prosper as the platform on which that occurs. Hive has not allowed that market to operate, and Hive does not prosper. There are two options the market has regarding a product: to buy the product or not to buy the product. But that is pure free market capitalism, and the platform can allow producers to prosper or tax their production intolerably. Hive hasn't just favored some producers over others. It has suppressed all of them equally with unrestrained taxation.

As Hive taxed their income here to prevent them earning rewards, it cut it's own throat. Many of them continue to thrive on other platforms, which reveals that Hive is less able than those platforms at enabling free speech to earn it's creators income. Hive will continue to be outperformed by other platforms that do not financially oppress and censor free speech as much as Hive does. Hive has burned through the market of early adopters, and those that have been driven off tell people what happened. That is Hive's marketing program in operation. As long as new people onboarded, their investments could be absorbed, but now that very few make the attempt that income has dried up, leaving only the cash on hand - the DHF - left for the whales to extract.

As long as unrestrained taxation continues - and it continues to this day - Hive will drive users away, and it's userbase will continue to shrink. Accordingly, Valueplan is not surmounting the one challenge that prevents Hive from growing and increasing the value of it's token, which is retention of users. The power to elect witnesses governs Hive, and has since the advent of it's progenitor. ~3 dozen accounts today retain the majority of stake in Hive, and thus completely control governance. Distribution of Hive has not decentralized and this maintains governance centralized in those ~3 dozen accounts.

What Valueplan could do is to curate posts from people that post on Hive to encourage them to continue posting on Hive, with the strictest mechanisms to exclude bots and socks from such curation. It could completely counter every DV that isn't cast on spam or a scam. Finally, it could DV votebots and similar scams that continue to operate on Hive. ~3 dozen whales (or some subset) fund spaminator, hw, and etc. to DV users and drive them away. Censorship of the free speech published on Hive has nothing to do with spam or scams, but ensures continued centralization of governance by preventing distribution. I expect them to continue to secure the whales' sole and exclusive power to govern Hive until the last satoshi of value has been wrung from it, the witnesses give up, and it ceases to exist.

Every lame argument that DV's aren't censorship, aren't taxation, and don't matter can be trotted out as they have been for the last 7 years to no avail. If Hive surmounts the user retention issue, every other goal of Valueplan is either the natural consequence of a growing userbase and token increasing in value, or is greatly facilitated by those metrics, and nothing else Valueplan - or anything else - can do will. Every other expenditure of funds will simply fritter away those funds without benefit to the platform and it's community. However, funds disbursed by Valueplan do seem to benefit some specific people.

"Value Plan is a community-driven marketing and promotion initiative and to function as intended requires feedback."

I find this statement utterly contradicted by the refusal to provide receipts for expenditures that are necessary to verify funds are utilized for stated purposes. Multiple parties (@hecatonquirox, @atlashv96, @doze, and others) have stated that Valueplan has facilitated criminal fraud (it's possible people have already contacted tips.fbi.gov or other law enforcement agencies with evidence of such fraud. Given the interest of the US State Department in Venezuela it would be unwise of them to fail to proactively address any potential to be accused of funding terrorism), and despite providing receipts for expenditures could disprove those accusations @guiltyparties has directly refused to provide receipts for those specific expenditures. @lordbutterfly has received substantial payment he has falsely claimed he did not.

"The only thing I was paid for is organizing Hivefest."

@guiltyparties is preventing accounting for Valueplan disbursements. Disbursements that cannot be accounted for cannot be funded without facilitating fraud, and fraud is reported by several eyewitnesses with direct knowledge. @guiltyparties is facilitating fraud. @lordbutterfly is lying about some of the largest disbursements Valueplan makes. Valueplan has given every indication it is a vector for fraud and theft of the large sums of money it disburses, and there's much more evidence than I provide here. More information is available in the detailed posts @blanchy has made regarding Valueplan, and in comments and posts from accounts mentioned above, which anyone considering Valueplan or anyone involved in it should read and understand before voting on any proposal or participating in any endeavor it, or any of it's principals, are involved in.

I don't use Hive as money, and work for a living, so my interest and availability to investigate these matters has been too limited to exhaust the copious evidence of fraud available onchain. Every inquiry I have made leads to the same obfuscation, lies, and fraud that appear to be the purpose of Valueplan's disbursements, without exception. My only involvement is as a Hive user with interest in the DHF benefiting Hive, but after seven years observing the maintenance of governance by the whales I do not have any hope that will change. Folks with substantial stake, or intent to acquire substantial stake, or that have accepted Valueplan funds innocently should address these matters diligently. $M's are flowing out of the DHF, and stripping businesses of their cash on hand is a common practice of vulture capitalists like KKR and Bain Capital Partners, and that looks like what is happening to Hive.

I am confident victims of fraud have reported it to law enforcement, and enforcement will follow investigation, exacerbated by political interest in Venezuela. Sadly this threatens good people with integrity who have received funds from Valueplan, may have never suspected such accusations existed, and who would be wise to keep receipts and document carefully any interactions with Valueplan or it's principals to prove they aren't committing theft by fraud, or worse. Someone is, or will follow the money. Criminals offer up scapegoats as patsies, and will make you a patsy if they can. The best way to prove you are innocent is to not take money from suspect sources.

Because of this taint I can only recommend Valueplan provide accurate and verifiable accounting and receipts for every expense it has incurred and all funds it has disbursed. No strategy will matter until that taint is dispelled because failure to verifiably account disbursements facilitates fraud. Until accurate and verifiable accounting of Valueplan's disbursement of funds is made I strongly recommend everyone vote the return proposal instead of anything related to Valueplan, and that everyone that has been involved in Valueplan take action to fully account for any disbursements from Valueplan to prove their innocence.

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Most social media platforms don't pay users squat. It takes a lot of entitlement to think every poster deserves something even though their posts have very few viewers, they have invested next to no funds of their own and they don't bring outside attention to Hive - they're not really providing value. The DHF is not a tax, you agreed to it by accepting the free Hive given to you in the hardfork, if you don't like it stay on Steem or go somewhere like Medium. No one owes you any upvotes or any percentage of the hive inflation. A tax would be taking some of your personal Hive, so before you go around stomping your feet at least get your facts right because it's hard to take you seriously. Not that I think everything about the DHF is right, especially the part about whales being able to manipulate it with disproportionate votes that removes the decentralizing part, but it's not a tax.

I have issues with the Value Plan but believe they are trying. It was noted that Venezuela is getting a disproportionate amount of VP funds, Hive isn't a charity and there is little to gain from targeting that country. What I don't agree with is that you are proposing there is fraud based on what a few people said. You're essentially accusing people of criminal activity with zero proof, it's slander. Also this is happening in Venezuela, where the FBI has no jurisdiction. There are dozens of examples of where the VP did something charitable and just because they don't give you or your friends money doesn't imply they are stealing it. Where there is money there are inefficiencies, waste and unfairness, the VP is not perfect.

The VP passed the proposal fair and square so they can do what they want with the funds. They could just take all the money and run and there is nothing you can do about it except campaign to not get their proposals passed again. They don't owe you receipts, accounting documents or an audit, this would just cost money and require people to do unpaid work. Are you willing to pay $100 to $200 an hour for a CPA to audit every single expense the value plan has? What about hiring a lawyer? Calling the FBI won't accomplish anything because again, VP didn't steal anything from you or anyone, they just got votes to take and spend some inflation.

The sports car is a tremendous waste of money and so is subsidizing an in person Hivefest with VP, they can do this with upvotes or large stakeholders can pay, we shouldn't have to direct some inflation to help a minor percentage of people fraternize on the shores of the Adriatic sea. That being said I don't think you should get yourself so worked up about this. If you really care, try talking to Blocktrades or some of the larger whales supporting VP, ask them why they are supporting it.

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Its fine to disagree with what VP is doing. Its fine to agree. The proposal is funded because stake thinks its a good thing to do. I disagree with some of it as well. Each of us are trying to find what will work in the end.

Exactly, hopefully they don't keep funding things without metrics showing it is providing value and hopefully they keep trying to fund new things to see what works. Anyone who wasted money or who pilfered funds should be outed and blacklisted.

Ethicaly one might say you owe hive your goal to acknowledge public concerns and focus on resolving the issue constructively. You have been dodging questions left and right. So I'll ask you simply and to the point. Soft ball questions. Yes or no.

Do note that memo line do not count to what I am about to ask here. Do you have any invoices and receipts of payments made with the funds given to your account, yes or no?

If you do, please present them all.

Ethically I dont owe anything to you. Practically speaking it would be idiotic to share it publicly. Legally speaking its not possible to present most of it.
All these payments are checked by top investors and proposal supporters as a safeguard.
People with real skin in the game who would most be affected by misuse of the funds as opposed to someone with 100 bucks worth of Hive whose main interest is not financially motivated but rather motivated by boredom.

If you want to check if Bitbasel received the funds I forwarded to them you can contact them easily. If they want to disclose it or not is on them.
https://www.bitbasel.miami/#contact

"Ethically I dont owe anything to you."

I didn't anything about this being about me or anything being owed to me directly. I said you owe it to hive. As in the entirety of hive who has a stake in it, regardless of its amount staked.

People with real skin in the game

People with skin im the game are people waiting to be burned. I have no hands to grasp the mountains or feet to climb the stairs but I hover of it all like a lotus over the pond, and I definitely do not have any "skin". And even with my scorched eyes I see clearly the sun rise and the sun set behind me.

100 bucks worth of Hive whose main interest is not financially motivated but rather motivated by boredom.

Irrelevant to the question at hand.

If you want to check if Bitbasel received the funds I forwarded to them you can contact them easily. If they want to disclose it or not is on them.
https://www.bitbasel.miami/#contact

Sure thanks.

Was looking for a simple and shorter answer though. It's nice to know how consistent you are to dodging questions.

So was that a "no" then?

When you hear back from bitbasel, please let me know their response. They're in Miami, which is definitely in FBI jurisdiction. I bet there's people on Hive in Florida that could scope things out there and see if there's a sub-event worth $25k going on.

Kinda sorry you're having to take this crap too. I appreciate not being the only target of this vitriol, though.

Thanks!

I sent them an email just now. I didn't do it yesterday due it being late for me requested information regarding this issue for transparency on whatever they can offer to show the funds are being used adequately and to present them to hive. I'll show you the email in matrix.

And don't sweat it, dealing with bad mouths is like dealing with a child. Just mock them with humor is the only remedy. They dig their own holes by themselves and this asshole is already waist deep.

As in the entirety of hive who has a stake in it, regardless of its amount staked.

Technically I only "owe" something to proposal supporters. VP has key holders that are the major proposal supporters. They all have access to the confidential contracts and invoices.

I have no hands to grasp the mountains or feet to climb the stairs but I hover of it all like a lotus over the pond, and I definitely do not have any "skin". And even with my scorched eyes I see clearly the sun rise and the sun set behind me.

Are you on drugs? Huffing that galaxy stuff?

Irrelevant to the question at hand.

Core to how Hive works.

So was that a "no" then?

I wont share a confidential contract publicly but it takes you 5 seconds to send an email.
Here, ill write it for you so its 2 seconds:

"Hey, I have 100 bucks worth of Hive and Im technically a Hive stakeholder. Can you confirm that Hive will be present at Bitbasel and that you have received the 25k USD as seen on the Hive blockchain."

Technically I only "owe" something to proposal supporters.

If I remember correctly these stake holders have also control over hive stake that was copied from the ninja mined stake, correct? Which would mean it very does include the interest of those that didn't vote for VP proposal.

You know the importance of transparency correct?

What ever is stopping you to display what is available to display legally?

You know, since there is concern over you recieving kickbacks.

Anyways, different question.

"Who is bdhivesteem?"

From a marketing standpoint, claiming Hive is decentralised and transparent, while spending large sums of money without any paper trail or transparency is an epic failure. I don't know what's really going on here because there is no transparency, but it would be wise to be transparent instead of publicly abusive. This is really anti-marketing.

"This is really anti-marketing."

Yes, it is.

Thanks!

Dear @valued-customer !

Are you saying Valueplan is a scam?

I'm saying that there are people that are alleging fraud, and that proof that fraud has not occurred should be provided to prove it didn't happen. Failure to disclose proof payments were made for necessary goods and services instead of hookers and blow aids and abets fraud.

@guiltyparties and @lordbutterfly are refusing to disclose proof of payments they made and thus enable fraud to be ongoing and indetectable.


¡En @team-mexico estamos agradecidos que formes parte de nosotros!

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Interesante ❤️

Interesting tales always are.

Thanks!

No siempre son interesantes, buenas noches ❤️

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@lordbutterfly has received substantial payment he has falsely claimed he did not.

Nope. Did not get paid for anything other than Hivefest but even for that I could say that I wasnt paid by "Hive" since we didnt receive the last payment for organization because we decided that the leftover few k from people buying the more expensive tickets was enough for our time.

I actually saved around 15k for Hive by organizing Hivefest myself through using my personal contacts in the tourism industry and making some deals that came up, so youre welcome.

You know youre full of shit and this is just rage bait, but I dont need to tell you that.

So you didn't receive $25k for a sub-event at an artfest, and haven't received payment for photography, and Valueplan is lying about paying you that money?

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At this point youre either an idiot or english isnt your strong suit. You even quoted me.

"The only thing I was paid for is organizing Hivefest."

Ill just repeat what you quoted. The only thing I was paid for is organizing Hivefest. That is the only thing I was paid for and with that I bought Hive and some HBD and staked it, as seen in my transactions.
That is the only thing I was paid for ever. And that didnt even come from Hive directly but from what was left over from the tickets. So what I was paid didnt even come from the DHF, but thats besides the point.

See. When I received the funds for photography I didnt actually photograph anything. Shocker! Im not a photographer. The funds I received for Bitbasel, Im not actually organizing Bitbasel! The funds I got for Techex, im not actually the organizer of Techex!
I was not paid for any of that.

I know... handling money, making payments for Hive from my personal bank account, dealing with taxes, dealing with contracts, developing pitches, preparing speeches, working on outreach is something that I know I should be paid for and Im glad that you cant wrap your head around someone doing stuff for free for Hive, but in fact, I am doing EVERYTHING for free with no compensation whatsoever.

So again... you are welcome.

So, where it says 'Vibes, Videography', that's false, and the payouts listed totaling $68,998.85 are not accurate and you did not receive those funds?

How is it false if its in my wallet? My personal wallet with explanations for every single transaction?

You quoted me where im saying clearly that im not getting paid for any of this other than Hivefest and claimed Im lying about not getting paid.

Receiving funds in a completely transparent manner visible to everyone and getting paid for something are two very different things.

Make sure to explain the difference between receiving disbursements as compensation for services and being paid to folks that care. I see these funds were disbursed to you as pay for the listed services. I see you claiming it's not pay, that you didn't perform the services Valueplan says it paid you for.

Imagine my incredulity.

Nowhere does it say Valueplan paid me for any service. It says that its money for the stuff listed in the memo.
If it was payment for a service from me, it would say it was payment for a service from me.

Omg, you genuinely believe that all that money went to me personally? 🤣🤣🤣
Not even 1 cent did. I actually lost a 100 bucks on the last funds i received because I had to hurry and pay for the conference and I lost 1700 USD on the conversion that I covered from selling my own tokens that then pumped before I got the money back.

Are you seriously this deluded thinking that Valueplan would simply give me money.