"I don't know that America has a problem with gun violence. you have not demonstrated that."
Really. You didn't provide ANYTHING in terms of prove for all the claims you made. And you expect ME to prove something that is that well known?

Yeah, frankly I don't even know what that means, the problem to me seems to be that there are too many racist gun laws disarming too many Americans.

"The charts on gun violence all accross the USA are through the roof compared to any other of the industrialized nations."

What does "industralised" mean? does it mean "white" or "Asian"?
What does "gun violence" mean, why are we discussing suicides?
What have other nations to do with America? Do any of these other countries have 330,000,000 people in them? How many of those countries border Mexico?

The only two European nations with a higher homicide rate (homicide, I'm not even talking about gun violence alone) are Lithuana and Russia.

I would actually prefer talking about homicide because I don't really care about suicide which is 2/3 of your "gun violence" right?

"The USA is by far the least safe of all the western nations and that's despite that your country is basically a giant no mans land compared to Europe, where the poplation density is a lot higher."

Perhaps in aggregate, we have a few cities with a few neighborhoods that skew the numbers pretty bad, if you look at the statistics outside of those gang controlled areas then your are in an area as safe or safer than anywhere in Europe. The 1000 murders in Chicago for example skew the statistics, Chicago has very strict gun control as do all the other areas I am referring to.

31% of all mass shoutings worldwide happen in the USA.
There it is again, someone claiming that the number of shootings is more important than the number of people killed! We know that in a single year in France more were killed in mass shootings than in 8 years in America.

"To debate, IF the USA has a gun violence problem is to put it generously: retarded."

That's true, it is retarded to blame guns or gun laws for the differences we see in various statistics internationally. And yet...

We can debate WHY the USA has a gun violence problem, though.
And I'm not going to give you sources, just google it. It's such a well known thing that it is insulting of you to suggest, I'm in the burden of proof here.

Sounds like you have been reading and believing the propaganda without thinking about it.

"where as guns go up gun homicides go down is so important"
There. That's exactly what I meant. Where is your citation on that?!

Sorry I thought I gave you this link already

"Yeah, that's another popular theory of the anti gunners, that fewer and fewer people actually own guns"
I never said that though. And can you explain to me what exactly an "anti gunner" is supposed to be in your world view?

Here in America those who oppose civil rights are called "anti-gunners" but sometimes I also call them "anti-civil rights activists"

"they track how many people ADMIT they own guns to researchers"
The polls are annonymous. They don't really have an incentive to lie. And even if you have a few liers in there, it'd be a stretch to claim, that it's common to lie in this instance.

Nope, if you look at the actual numbers of gun sales which are tracked it quickly becomes clear that the polls cannot possibly be accurate because of the large fluctuations up and down on a year over year basis that don't correlate with the number of guns transferred at all, what the polls do correlate with very closely is the political climate. It does not matter that the polls are anonymous, it turns out people lie like crazy when someone says to them "we are from the government and doing an anonymous poll, do you have any guns?"

"25 years ago, when gun homicide rates were at their peak only a handful of states allowed concealed carry, now all 50 states do many without even requiring a permit, and gun homicides are at record lows."
Even if that would be true, which you would have to demonstrate, as you suggested I do with the gun violence in the USA, how the fuck would you be able to derive anything from those numbers?

It's simple, your claim is that we need more restrictive gun laws or some way for there to be "less guns" because you think that would cause gun homicide to decrease but we see the opposite in reality there was more freedom and more guns and less gun homicides, I will break it down for you with some charts at the end.

If it's legal to buy a gun in any state, and you don't have any state-to-state borders, everyone can get a gun any time they want.

That's not really correct, even if it were not legal to buy a gun in any state everyone can get a gun any time they want, like they do now with drugs. Only the people who care about the law would not have guns.
We have more guns than ever in the hands of Americans:

And more Americans can carry more guns in more places than ever before

But fatal gun accidents are way down:

and gun homicides are down as well:

and the red herring suicide seems fairly steady if not down a bit, does not seem to matter what the gun laws are:

edit* this chart shows that gun suicides have trended down over time.