I didn't watch it as i understand US exceptionalism and the wars it is waging around the world. But what has that to do with the children of Manchester?
Religions want to force their will on others. I'm afraid you can't get away from fact that the imperialism you mention is driven by mega wealthy liberal elite and nothing to do with the citizens of a nation.. Especially when the political infrastructure has been hijacked so the citizens get no choice on foreign policy. People voted for Trump in the US to keep out an even bigger war monger in Clinton.
Like i told you at the start i have studied this for over 15 years in an advisory capacity. I know what imperialism is and i know all sides have through history, took turns at the colonisation game. You don't think the Ottomans did it??
No one is colonising islamic countries. The rich are fighting wars that benefit them financially and ideologically.
I think it may be you asleep. I'll go back to my previous comment. If you are determined to say, "X are doing it, so it's OK for Y to do it"!
then the feuds will continue forever.
I'm not so sure you understand Islamic exceptionalism and the dogma and literature that keeps it striving for a world caliphate.
Do you just think Islam has only been waging war since colonisation? It hasn't. it's been doing it for 1400 years. It's how the middle east and swathes of Africa became Islamic when they were originally Christian.
How do you think all this happened? Right up to the doorstep of Europe 100 years ago? Because contained in Islamic literature there are passages that tell them they are superior and the rest are infidels at best, or pigs or monkeys. These same books tell them not to stop until sharia encompasses the world. It tells them to not associate with others but to convert them. The same books tell them to throw homosexuals from rooftops and that women and children are a mans property. This "religion" needs to go through the enlightenment and abrogate those passages from their books.
What you see in Iraq, or Afghanistan, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Yemen is Shia fighting with sunni. One supported by Iran and others and sunni Saudi and others. Its a sectarian war and the liberal wealthy elite chose to help one side due to trade interests.
The problem is the religions fault in failing to keep up with progression and not removing the passages from its holy scripture thus allowing fundamentalists to use them to promote Islamic exceptionalism.
Don't you listen to them? They don't quote colonialism they quote islamic scripture.
If you think that withdrawing from all Islamic nations will solve it all, that's another issue. It will leave a lot of dead in its wake.
Thanks for the convo, lets not descend into calling names or questioning each others honesty eh? I say things how i see them and you yours. I'll apologise here and watch your video.
I loosely agree with you on some things. However i don't think you can blame ordinary citizens for the actions of governments that were long ago hijacked by a wealthy liberal elite, giving citizens no real say. Can we agree on that at least??
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About as much as an Italian pope has to do with the Irish. The Irish felt more Catholic than English as the Muslim lad feels more allied to their birth culture than the place they were born. My point of the video was to show you colonialism is alive and well and not some historical artifact.
You however seem to want to press your hate for Islam than to seek any real dialogue.
So this ends here for me even though you will probably want to get your last bit of hate speech in. Go for it. Hoped this would not come to an unfollow.
May you find love and compassion for all sentient beings, even those who hold the Koran as sacred.
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I don't hate anybody. hate is a waste of energy and a wasted emotion. I try to understand things then tell them how they are.
Catholics and others were fighting for a united ireland. They didn't use religious dogma to justify their actions, they used ideology taken from marxism and other "freedom fighters". I saw active duty in the "troubles".
I don't care if you follow me or not.
Could you point me to the thing i said that is hateful or untrue? Your narrative is one that says, "blame the messenger, it's easier.
I have love in my life and some of that is with people who read the Quran.
You had to start accusing me of things and then say it's me who needs to get the last word..Rich.
You are another who thinks that muslims by definition must have a different "birth culture" as you called it. Most of the people i know who follow Islam were born in the UK so their culture is British. You may say people we "colonised" have an excuse for attacking us, what about those who come from UK, or Belgium, or France?? Or do they belong to an Uhma where an attack on one muslim is an attack against them all.
Next time you want to make excuses for violence remember the innocent victims, they did nothing wrong..
Have a great day.
In my last comment i asked to drop it there and you had to come back with your hate twaddle. When did facts become hate but in the minds of the weak?
Like i said last time, maybe i'll see you again in a less emotive subject.
Like i told you, i have studied this for over 15 years. I have fact to back up anything i say, my conscience is clear my friend..
Have a good night..
The "hate speech" came into my mind like a noun of its own instead of adjective and noun. My apologies.
My feeling is the cause is much greater a factor than method of motivating the troops. In both cases the targets were/are their respective colonizers. It could be Martians blowing up Elon's Mars Colony and it would be the same colonial catalysts for all three "terrorist" activities from my perspective. TTFN.
I resent the fact you imply that i say things just to cause hate, i don't.
Alot of these people are attacking the places they call home.
It's a mess and i long for a world that isn't controlled by ages old religious doctrine. I long for a sensible world that bans anything that inspires violence, whoever writes it or preaches it.
Exceptionalism is a danger to the free world. people who think themselves superior because of what they believe.
Colonialism is a crime against humanity. It's predominantly done by the wealthy against the poor. Not by religious groups.
Most western empires were in the persuit of wealth, not religious superiority. . There is a distinction to be made.
If you study the religious literature you can see this quite obviously.
I'm sorry that you felt the need to move the convo into the territory of bracketing me as a Tommy Robinson figure. But I'm glad i found that out now at this early juncture.
Thank you for all your comments and for taking the time. Have a great day.
Respected and worthy of the apology given. ✌💛
Oh, ok fair enough. I didn't realise you had rejected the comment you made about me peddling hate.
My whole post wasn't about targeting anyone, but asking if we were heading towards a world where you can't criticize due to fear of censure. I was asking if people felt there were defacto blasphemy laws and not the wider religious conflict question.
I didn't write the post from the top of my head, i thought about it for some time before committing to words.
To equate the problems we face due to islamism with the troubles in ireland strikes me as a lazy comparrison and my post was about blasphemy.
I won't speak on the subject again but thank you once again for your input.
Have a nice evening.
Rather than disrupt this feeling of calm let us agree to disagree. 😎