I used to enjoy those discussions, I think downvote drama has gotten to me lately where my patience drops real quick when it comes to things like that and I just see things in a dark light and think how insignificant and a waste of time everything is. I also get very vulgar when bullshitters try to bullshit their way out of taking responsibility. Maybe I need a vacation.
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I think most people are very aware that things like responsibility, accountability, and honesty... are very inconvenient and simply detrimental to have.
Anyone lacking those things is better off.
Even to the point that a person who is forceful and coercive is better off than a person who is not.
All of those things sound nice, but in practice, anyone with them is just carrying more ethical baggage, and all it does is limit them. Sure, they get to feel good about themselves for it, but often, there's a way out, such as literally just running away, or just getting someone else to take the blame.
The sort of world we live in is an evolutionary one, where ethics and morality are objectively meaningless, and instead, it is raw profit, surviving, and thriving that matter.
Thriving not in the cute PAL sense of having enough for everyone, but thriving like a swarm of flies on a corpse.